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A87205	A declaration of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. For the undeceiving of deluded and seduced people, which may be satisfactory to all that doe not wilfully shut their eyes against the light. In answer to certaine late declarations and acts framed by the Irish popish prelates and clergy in a conventicle at Clonmae-Noise. Licensed by the secretary of the army.	Ireland. Lord Lieutenant (1650 : Ireton); Ireton, Henry, 1611-1651.	1650 (1650)	Wing I1031; Thomason E596_6; ESTC R15772	11,563	16

Warre and venture lives and all upon such a ground as this But if God be pleased to unveile you of your sheeps clothing that they may see how they have been deluded and by whom I shall exceedingly rejoyce and indeed for their sakes onely have I given you these competent Characters if God shall so blesse it for their good And now for them I doe particularly declare what they may expect at my hands in this point wherein you will easily perceive that as I neither have nor shall flatter you so shall I neither goe about to delude them with specious pretences as you have ever done First therefore I shall not where I have Power and the Lord is pleased to blesse me suffer the exercise of the Masse where I can take notice of it nor suffer you that are Papists where I can find you seducing the People or by any overt act violating the Lawes established but if you come in my hands I shall cause to be inflicted the punishments appointed by the Lawes to use your own Tearme secundum gravitatem delicti upon you and to reduce things to their former state on this behalfe As for the People what thoughts they have in matters of Religion in their owne breasts I cannot reach but thinke it my duty if they walke honestly and peaceably not to cause them in the least to sulfer for the same but shall endeavour to walke patiently and in love towards them to see if at any time it shall please God to give them another or a better minde And all men under the power of England within this Dominion are hereby required and enjoyned strictly and religiously to doe the same To the second which is the distruction of the Lives of the Inhabitants of this Nation To make it good that this is designed they give not one reason which is either because they have none to give or else for that they believe the people will receive every thing for truth they say which they have too well taught them and God knows the People are too apt to doe But I will a little helpe them They speake indeed of rooting out the Commons and also by way of consequent that the extirpating of the Catholique Religion is not to be effected without the Massacring destroying or banishing the Catholique Inhabitants which how an allogicall an Argument this is I shall easily make appeare by and by Alas the Generality of the Inhabitants are poore Laytie as you call them and Ignorant of the grounds of the Catholique Religion Are these then so interwoven with your Church Interest as that the absence of them makes your Catholique Religion fall to the ground We know you thinke not so you reckon your selves and your selves only the pillers and supporters thereof and these as far as they have the exercise of club Law and like the Asse you ride on obey your commands But concerning these relation of your Religion enough hath been spoken in another place only you love to mix things for your advantage But to your Logick here is your Argument The Design is to extirpate the Catholique Religion But this is not to be done but by the massacring banishing or otherwise destroying the Catholique Inhabitants Ergo it is designed to Massacre banish and destroy the Catholique inhabitants To prove this no concluding Argument but yet well enough agreeing with your learning I give you this Dilemma by which it will apear That whither your Religion be true or false this will not follow If your Religion be the true Religion yet it a Nation may degenerate from the True Religion and apostatiz as too many have done through the seducements of your Roman Church then it will not follow that men must be massacred banished or otherwise destroyed necessarily no not as to the Change of the true Religion in a Nation or Country Only this argument doth wonderfully well agree with your principles and practice you having chiefly made use of fire and sword in all the changes in Religion that you have made in the world If it be change of your Catholique Religion so called it will not follow because there may be found out another means then Massacring destruction and banishment to wit the word of God which is able to convert a means that you as little know as practice which indeed you deprive the People of Together with humanity good life equall and honest dealing with men of a different opinion which we desire to exercise towards this poore people if you by your wicked Councell make them not uncapable to receive it by putting them into blood And therefore by this also your false and twisted dealing may be a little discovered But wel your words are Massacre destroy and banish good now give us an instance of one man since my comming into Ireland not in armes massacred destroyed or banished concerning the two first of which justice hath not been done or endeavoured to be done But for the other of banishment I must now speak unto the People whom you would delude and whom this most concernes that they may know in this also what to expect at my hands The Question is of the destruction of life or of that which is but little inferiour to it to wit banishment I shall not willingly take or suffer to be taken away the life of any man not in arms but by the Triall to which the People of this Nation are subject by Law for offences against the same And as for the banishment it hath not hitherto been inflicted upon any but such who being in Arms upon the Terms they were taken might justly have been put to death as those instanced in their declaraion to be sent to the Tobacco Islands And therefore I do declare that If the people be ready to run to Arms by the instigation of their clargy or otherwise such as God by his providence shal give into my hands may expect that or worse measure from me but not otherwise Thirdly to that of the ruine of their fortune you instance in the act of subsctiption whereby the estates of the Inhabitants of this nation are sold so as there remaineth now no more but to put the purchasers in possession and that for this cause are the forces drawn out of England And that you might carry the Interest farre to engage the common sort of People with you you further say to them that the moderate usage exercised to them is to no other end but to our private advantage and for the better support of our Army intending at the close of our Conquest as you terme it to roote out the Commons also and to plant the land with Collonies to be brought hither out of England This consisting of divers parts will aske distinct Answers And first to the act of Subscription It 's true there is such an act and it was a just one For when by your execrable Massacre and Rebellion you had not onely raised a bloudy warre to

A DECLARATION OF THE Lord Lieutenant OF IRELAND For the undeceiving of deluded and seduced People which may be satisfactory to all that doe not wilfully shut their eyes against the light In Answer to certaine late Declarations and Acts framed by the Irish Popish Prelates and Clergy in a Conventicle at Clonmae-Noise Licensed by the Secretary of the Army Printed at Corke and now re-printed at London by E. Griffin and are to be sold in the Old-Baily March 21. 1650. A Declaration of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland HAving lately perused a book printed at Kilkenny in the yeere 1649. containing divers Declarations and Acts of the Popish Prelates and Clergy framed in a late Conventicle at Clonmae noise the 4 day of December in the yeere aforesaid I thought fit to give a briefe Answer unto the same And first to the first which is a Declaration wherein having premised the reconciliation of some differences amongst themselves they come to state their war upon the interest of their Church his Majesty and the Nation and their resolution to prosecute the same with unity all which will deserve a particular survey The meeting of the Archbishops Bishops and other Prelates at Clonmac noise is by them said to be proprio motu By which term they would have the world believe that the secular power hath nothing to doe to appoint or superintend their spirituall conventions as they call them although in the said meetings they take upon them to intermeddle in all secular affaires as by the sequel appears And first for their Union they so much boast of If any wise man shall seriously consider what they pretend the grounds of the differences to have been and the way and course they have taken to reconcile the same and their expressions thereabout and the ends for which and their resolutions how to carry on their great designe declared for he must needs think slightly of it And also for this that they resolve all other mens consents into their owne without consulting them at all The subject of this reconciliation was as they say the Clergy and Laity The discontent and division it selfe was grounded on the late difference of opinion hapning amongst the Prelats and Laity I wonder not at differences in opinion at discontents and divisions where so Antichristian dividing a term as Clergy and Laity is given and received A term unknown to any save to the Antichristian Church and such as derive themselves from her ab initio non fuit sic The most pure and primitive Times as they best know what true Union was so in all addresses to the severall Churches they wrote unto not one word of this The members of the Churches are stiled Bretheren Saints of the same houshould of faith although they had orders distinctions amongst them for administration of Ordinances of a far different use and Character with yours Yet it no where occasioned them to say contemptim and by way of lessening in contra distinguishing Layty to Clergy It was your pride that begot this expression And it is for filthy lucre sake that you keepe it up that by making the people beleeve that they are not so holy as your selves they might for their penny purchase some Sanctity from you And that you might bridle saddle ride them at your pleasure And doe which is most true of you as the Scribes Pharisies of old did by their Laytie keep the knowledge of the Law from them And then be able in their pride to say This people that know not the Law are eursed And no wonder to speake more neerely to your differences and union If it lye in the Prelates power to make the Clergy and the Laity goe together by the eares when they please but that they may as easily make a simple and senceles reconciliation which will last untill the next Nuncio comes from Rome with supermandatory advises And then this Gordion knot must be cut and the poore Laity forced to dance to a new tune I say not this as being troubled at it much good may doe you with it by the grace of God we feare not we care not for your union your covenant is with death and hell your union is like that of Simeon and Levi Associate your selves and you shall be broken in peeces take councell together and it shall come to nought For though it becomes us to be humble in respect of our selves yet we can say to you God is not with you You say your union is against a common enemy to this If you will be talking of Union I will give you some worm wood to bite on by which it will appear God is not with you Who is it that created this commonenemy I suppose you mean Englishmen The English ● Remember ye Hipocrites Ireland was once united to England Englishmen had good Inheritances which many of them purchased with their money they or their Ancestors from many of you and your Ancestors They had good leases from Irishmen for long time to come great stocks therupon houses and plantations erected at their cost and charge They lived Peaceably honestly amongst you You had generally equall benefit of the protection of England with them And equall Justice from the Lawes saving what was necessary for the State out of reasons of State to put upon some few people apt to rebell upon the instigation of such as you You broke this union you unprovoked put the English to the most unheard of most barbarous massacre without respect of sexe or age that ever the Sun beheld And at a time when Ireland was in perfect peace And when through the example of the English industry through commerce traffique that which was in the Natives hands was better to them then if all Ireland had been in their possession and not an English man in it And yet then I say was this unheard of villany perpetrated by your instigation who boast of peacemaking and union against this common enemy What think you by this time is not my assertion true Is God will God be with you I am confident he will not And though you would comprehend old English new English Scotch or who else you will in the bosome of your Catholique charity yet shall not this save you from breaking I tell you and them you willfare the worse for their sakes because I cannot but believe some of them go against some stifle their Consciences And it is not the figg leafe of pretence that they fight for their King will serve their turn when really they fight in protection of men of so much prodigious blood And with men who have declared the ground of their union and fighting as you have stated it in your Declaration to be Bellum Prelaticum Religiosum in the first and primary intention of it especially when they shall consider your principles That except what feare makes you comply with viz. that alone without their concurrence you

are much in your thoughts Indeed I think they are Alas poore Layety That you and your King might ●ide them and jade them as your Church hath done and your King hath done by your means almost in all ages But it would not be hard to prophesie that the beasts being stung and kicking this world will not last alwaies Arbitrary power men begin to be weary of in Kings Churchmen their juggle between them mutually to uphold Civill and Ecclesiasticall tyranny begins to be transparent Some have cast off both and hope by the grace of God to keep so Others are at it Many thoughts are layed up about it which will have their issue vent This principle that People are for Kings and Churches and Saints for the Pope or Churchmen as you call them begins to be exploded and therefore I wonder not to see the Fraternity to be so much enraged I wish the people wiser then to be troubled at you or solicitous for what you say or doe But it seem notwithstanding all this you would faine have them beleeve that it is their good you seek And to cozen them indeed and in much is the scoap of your whole Declaration of your Acts decrees in your foresaid printed book Therefore to discover and unvaile those falsities and to let them know what they are to trust to from me is the principall end of this my Declaration That if I be not able to doe good upon them which I most desire and yet in that I shall not seek to gain them by flattery but tell them the worst in plainenesse and that which I am sure will not be acceptable to you And if I cannot gaine them I shall have comfort in this that I have freed my owne soule from the guilt of the evill that shall ensue And upon this subject I hope to leave nothing unanswered in all your said Declarations and Decrees at Clonmacnoise And because you carry on your matter somewhat confusedly I shall therefore bring all that you have said into some order that so we may the better discerne what every thing signifies and give answer thereunto You forewarne the People of their danger which you make to consist First in the Extirpation of the Catholique Religion Secondly in the Declaration of their Lives Thirdly in the ruine of their fortunes To avoid all which Evills you forewarn them first That they be not deceived by the Commander in Chiefe of the Parliaments forces And in the next place having stated your War as aforesaid you give them your positive advice and Councell to engage in blood and lastly bestow upon them a small Collation in 4. Ecclesiasticall decrees or orders which will signify as little being performed by your spirit as if you had said nothing and the obligation to al this you make to be your Pastoral relation to them over your flocks To which last a word or two I wonder how this relatiō was brought about if they be Flocks and you ambitious of the relative Tearme You are Pastors but it is by an Antiphresis a minime pascendo you either teach them not at all or else you do it as some of you came to this Conventicle who were sent by others tanquam Procuratores or as your manner is by sending a Company of sily ignorant Priests who can but say the Mass scarcely that intelligibly or with such stuffe as these your sencelesse Declarations Edicts But how dare you assume to call these men your Flecks whom you have plunged into so horrid a Rebellion by which you have made both them the Countrey almost a ruinous heap and whom you have fleeced and pol'd and peel'd hitherto and make it your businesse to doe so still You cannot seed them you poyson them with your false abhominable Antichristian doctrin and practices You keep the Word of God from them and instead thereof give them your senceless Orders and Traditions you teach them implicite belief he that goes amongst them may find many that doe not understand any thing in the matters of your Religion I have had few better Answers from any since I came into Ireland that are of your flocks then this That indeed they did not trouble themselves about matters of Religion but left that to the Church Thus are your flocks fed and such Credit have you of them But they must take heed of loosing their Religion Alas I poor Creatures what have they to loose concerning this is your grand Caveat and to back this you tell them of Resolutions and Covenants to extirpate the Catholique Religion out of all his Majesties Dominions And you instance in Cromwells Letter of the 19. of October 1649. to the then Governor of Rosse repeating his words which are as followeth viz. For that which you mention concerning Liberty of Religion I meddle not with any mans Conscience but if by liberty of conscience you mean a liberty to exercise the Masse I judge it best to use plain dealing and to let you know where the Parliament of England have power that will not be allowed of And this you call a Tyrannicall resolution which you say hath been put in execution in Wexford Rosse and Droghedah Now let us consider First you say that the design is to extirpate the Catholick Religion Let us see your honesty herein Your word extirpate is as ill collected from these grounds and as sencelesse as the word Catholique ordinarily used by you when you mention Catholique Roman Church The word Extirpate supposes a thing to be already rooted and established which word made good by the proof of Covenants your Letter which expresses the Non Tolleration of the Masse wherein it seems you place all the Catholique Religion and therein you shew some ingenuity and your instance of what was practised in the three Towns aforementioned Doe these prove either considered a part or altogether the Extirpation of the Catholique Religion By what Law was the Mass exercised in these places or in any the Dominions of England or Ireland or Kingdom of Scotland You were Intruders you were herein open violaters of the knowne Lawes And yet you will call the Covenant that in the Letter and these practices Extirpations of the Catholique Religion thus again set on foot by you by the advantage of your Rebellion and shaking off the just Authority of the State of England over you whereas I dare be confident to say you durst not own the saying of one Masse above these eighty yeares in Ireland and through the troubles you made and the miseries you brought on this Nation and the poor people thereof your numbers which is very Ominous encreasing with the Woolves through the de solations you made in the Countrey you recovered again the publique Exercises of your Masse And for the maintenance of this thus gayned you would make the poore people believe that it is Ghostly Councell and given in love to them as your flocks That they should runne into