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A65422 Popery anatomized, or, A learned, pious, and elaborat treatise wherein many of the greatest and weightiest points of controversie, between us and papists, are handled, and the truth of our doctrine clearly proved : and the falshood of their religion and doctrine anatomized, and laid open, and most evidently convicted and confuted by Scripture, fathers, and also by some of their own popes, doctors, cardinals, and of their own writers : in answer to M. Gilbert Brown, priest / by that learned, singularly pious, and eminently faithful servant of Jesus Christ M. John Welsch ...; Reply against Mr. Gilbert Browne, priest Welch, John, 1568?-1622.; Craford, Matthew. Brief discovery of the bloody, rebellious and treasonable principles and practises of papists. 1672 (1672) Wing W1312; ESTC R38526 397,536 586

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and_o so_o forth_o and_o in_o another_o place_n he_o say_v rom_n 7.2.3_o 1._o cor._n 7.39_o and_o 7.10.11_o to_o they_o that_o be_v join_v in_o matrimony_n i_o give_v not_o command_v but_o our_o lord_n that_o the_o wife_n depart_v not_o from_o her_o husband_n and_o if_o she_o depart_v to_o remain_v unmarried_a or_o to_o be_v reconcile_v to_o her_o husband_n and_o let_v not_o the_o husband_n put_v away_o his_o wife_n now_o this_o be_v our_o religion_n of_o matrimony_n and_o plain_a repugnant_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o minister_n of_o scotland_n that_o will_v licence_v a_o man_n to_o put_v away_o his_o wife_n and_o marry_v another_o and_o they_o call_v the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n the_o pope_n cruelty_n against_o the_o innocent_a divorce_v in_o their_o negative_a faith_n master_n john_n welsch_n his_o reply_n as_o for_o your_o 8._o and_o 9_o point_n of_o doctrine_n concern_v marriage_n the_o first_o that_o it_o be_v undissoluble_a for_o no_o cause_n the_o 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