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gregor_n arim_n 1._o d._n 46._o qu._n 1._o alliac_n 1._o qu._n 14._o art_n 1._o eman._n sà _fw-la annot_fw-mi 1._o tim_n 2.4_o adversary_n magalian_n sup_n magalian_n op._n hierarch_n ubi_fw-la sup_n say_v the_o purpose_n of_o the_o text_n favour_v this_o sense_n and_o soto_n mayor_n 273._o mayor_n comment_fw-fr in_o 1_o tim_n 2._o pag._n 273._o aquinas_n count_v this_o the_o best_a of_o all_o the_o interpretation_n that_o be_v give_v and_o himself_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v true_a and_o solid_a the_o sixth_o be_v this_o that_o we_o have_v in_o hand_n touch_v god_n antecedent_n will_v that_o by_o a_o true_a and_o formal_a will_n it_o be_v antecedent_o his_o good_a pleasure_n that_o all_o man_n shall_v be_v save_v c._n save_v ergo_fw-la necesse_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o illo_fw-la instanti_fw-la velit_fw-la indifferenter_fw-la gloriam_fw-la ita_fw-la juda_n sicut_fw-la petro._n auteol_n 1._o d._n 41._o pag._n 940._o c._n even_o judas_n as_o well_o as_o peter_n touch_v the_o which_o 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consider_v that_o when_o i_o say_v so_o i_o speak_v in_o the_o word_n of_o 1._o of_o dur._n 1._o d._n 46._o q._n 1._o durand_n one_o of_o his_o own_o side_n who_o i_o allege_v in_o the_o margin_n that_o if_o it_o be_v false_a i_o say_v yet_o the_o ignorance_n shall_v not_o be_v father_v on_o i_o but_o on_o they_o that_o beget_v it_o for_o i_o say_v the_o truth_n and_o himself_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o his_o own_o church_n for_o thomas_n 1._o thomas_n 1._o p._n q._n 19_o be_v 6._o ad_fw-la 1._o handle_v this_o antecedent_n will_v say_v we_o do_v not_o simple_o will_n what_o we_o will_v antecedent_o and_o therefore_o this_o antecedent_n will_v may_v rather_o be_v call_v a_o voluntas_fw-la a_o magis_fw-la dici_fw-la potest_fw-la velleitas_fw-la quà m_fw-la absoluta_fw-la voluntas_fw-la velleitie_n then_o a_o absolute_a will_n a_o velleitie_n that_o be_v to_o say_v as_o gregory_n of_o valence_n expound_v he_o 2._o he_o comment_fw-fr in_o tho._n 1._o disp_n 1._o q._n 19_o 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answer_v digression_n 48._o yet_o here_o i_o answer_v again_o that_o the_o protestant_a faith_n so_o far_o as_o it_o differ_v from_o that_o which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v against_o we_o continue_v always_o not_o in_o the_o air_n but_o in_o man_n and_o those_o man_n be_v such_o as_o live_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n itself_o constant_o holding_z the_o foundation_n of_o christian_a religion_n though_o the_o same_o man_n be_v corrupt_v also_o some_o more_o some_o less_o with_o those_o error_n that_o we_o refuse_v the_o rest_n of_o this_o chapter_n meddle_v with_o nothing_o i_o write_v but_o be_v spend_v in_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n who_o doctrine_n be_v the_o rule_n continue_v in_o all_o age_n unto_o the_o world_n end_n not_o only_o the_o true_a church_n abide_v for_o ever_o unto_o the_o end_n but_o that_o church_n do_v so_o who_o doctrine_n be_v the_o rule_n to_o teach_v we_o as_o if_o there_o be_v a_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n who_o doctrine_n be_v not_o the_o rule_n in_o such_o sense_n as_o i_o have_v expound_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n to_o be_v the_o rule_n this_o be_v partly_o to_o be_v say_v somewhat_o when_o he_o can_v not_o reply_v to_o that_o i_o say_v and_o partly_o to_o persuade_v his_o people_n that_o we_o hold_v the_o contrary_n i_o detest_v his_o rudeness_n and_o lament_v their_o bondage_n and_o slavery_n a._n d._n m._n white_a grant_v 63._o pag._n 233._o white_a p._n 63._o that_o those_o scripture_n which_o i_o allege_v in_o the_o treatise_n prove_v well_o christ_n abide_n always_o with_o the_o church_n whereupon_o be_v infer_v the_o continuance_n of_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n therefore_o he_o will_v not_o or_o ought_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o they_o prove_v also_o that_o there_o be_v teach_v of_o true_a doctrine_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o church_n not_o only_o for_o the_o apostle_n time_n or_o for_o six_o or_o eight_o hundred_o year_n after_o but_o absolute_o for_o all_o age_n i_o grant_v all_o this_o and_o 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chap._n xxxvii_o not_o the_o church_n but_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n 2._o the_o question_n touch_v the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n proceed_v of_o the_o militant_a church_n 3._o 4._o 5._o in_o what_o sense_n we_o say_v the_o militant_a church_n be_v sometime_o invisible_a 5._o the_o papist_n think_v the_o church_n shall_v be_v invisible_a in_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n their_o contradiction_n touch_v antichrist_n brief_o note_v a._n d._n concern_v the_o twelve_o chapter_n by_o that_o which_o have_v be_v say_v in_o the_o two_o precedent_a chapter_n it_o be_v apparent_a enough_o 234._o pag._n 234._o that_o there_o be_v in_o all_o age_n a_o certain_a company_n call_v the_o church_n who_o doctrine_n be_v the_o ordinary_a rule_n and_o mean_v ordain_v by_o god_n to_o instruct_v all_o man_n in_o all_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o by_o the_o say_a doctrine_n and_o teach_v of_o the_o true_a church_n every_o one_o be_v to_o learn_v what_o be_v and_o what_o be_v 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