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A54076
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Usury stated being a reply to Mr. Jelinger's Usurer cast whereto are adjoyned, some animadversions on Mr. Bolton's and Mr. Capel's discourses, concerning the same subject / written by T.P.
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T. P.
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Wing P122; ESTC R39078
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allow_v if_o we_o credit_v the_o hollander_n say_v 236._o grotius_n de_fw-fr jure_fw-la p._n 236._o those_o human_a law_n whioh_o give_v leave_n to_o stipulate_v somewhat_o for_o the_o use_n of_o money_n or_o any_o other_o thing_n as_o long_o ere_o this_o be_v grant_v among_o the_o hollander_n to_o some_o to_o take_v 8_o in_o the_o hundred_o but_o to_o merchant_n 12_o for_o a_o yearly_a use_n see_v they_o consist_v within_o the_o recompense_n of_o that_o which_o be_v want_v or_o may_v be_v want_v they_o be_v not_o against_o natural_a or_o divine_a right_n mr._n j._n 3._o answ_n i_o grant_v there_o be_v a_o kind_n of_o necessity_n which_o not_o god_n have_v bring_v upon_o kingdom_n but_o man_n sin_n reply_n every_o necessity_n that_o be_v by_o sin_n bring_v in_o be_v not_o always_o sinful_a marriage_n be_v now_o become_v necessary_a to_o some_o and_o yet_o that_o necessity_n be_v of_o sin_n procure_v servitude_n lordship_n and_o slay_v of_o beast_n be_v now_o become_v necessary_a 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