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A41782
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The loyal Baptist, or, An apology for the baptized believers ... occasioned by the great and long continued sufferings of the baptized believers in this nation / by Thomas Grantham ...
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Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.
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Wing G1540; ESTC R26748
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the_o thing_n prerequisite_a to_o baptism_n on_o the_o part_n of_o every_o one_o who_o be_v to_o be_v join_v with_o the_o church_n militant_a or_o to_o be_v baptize_v be_v these_o 1._o they_o ought_v to_o have_v the_o gospel_n preach_v or_o some_o way_n make_v know_v to_o they_o 2._o to_o believe_v the_o gospel_n 3._o to_o repent_v of_o sin_n and_o 4._o willing_o to_o put_v on_o christ_n in_o baptism_n or_o to_o express_v it_o in_o short_a they_o be_v first_o to_o be_v dead_a with_o christ_n and_o then_o second_o to_o be_v bury_v with_o christ_n by_o baptism_n now_o that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v hold_v such_o thing_n as_o be_v evident_o and_o actual_o destructive_a of_o this_o baptism_n may_v in_o our_o judgement_n be_v thus_o prove_v 1._o she_o believe_v hold_v and_o do_v teach_v other_o to_o hold_v that_o all_o or_o the_o very_a most_o of_o her_o church-member_n be_v regenerate_v without_o hear_v the_o word_n of_o god_n without_o faith_n without_o repentance_n or_o any_o 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2._o because_o she_o have_v not_o keep_v this_o ordinance_n as_o it_o be_v deliver_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n but_o have_v rather_o suppress_v it_o and_o much_o oppress_v those_o that_o labour_n to_o restore_v it_o to_o its_o due_a use_n and_o practice_n in_o all_o church_n which_o be_v a_o great_a aggravation_n of_o all_o these_o her_o error_n in_o faith_n and_o practice_n concern_v sacred_a baptism_n sect_n iii_o concern_v discipline_n what_o manner_n of_o discipline_n the_o church_n of_o christ_n ought_v to_o observe_v be_v sufficient_o declare_v matth._n 18._o 1_o cor_fw-la 5._o 2_o thess_n 3._o tit._n 3._o and_o other_o place_n and_o it_o be_v very_o well_o express_v by_o a_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o his_o defâ—nce_n of_o the_o thirty_o nine_o article_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o these_o word_n the_o manner_n of_o proceed_v in_o excommunication_n be_v first_o by_o gentle_a admonition_n and_o that_o once_o or_o twice_o give_v with_o 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jewish_a wash_n which_o be_v express_v by_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d not_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o mr._n danvers_n further_a show_v and_o sure_o i_o be_o that_o rom._n 6._o and_o col._n 2._o be_v so_o very_o clear_a for_o our_o way_n of_o baptise_v that_o the_o learned_a of_o your_o way_n do_v grant_v these_o place_n allude_v to_o the_o ancient_a way_n of_o baptise_v which_o say_v they_o be_v by_o dip_v the_o party_n into_o the_o water_n 4._o what_o you_o say_v of_o your_o sprinkle_v to_o be_v as_o significant_a as_o dip_v be_v not_o true_a for_o indeed_o unless_o it_o be_v command_v to_o signify_v the_o death_n burial_n resurrection_n of_o christ_n and_o our_o mortification_n and_o vivification_n it_o can_v signify_v none_o of_o these_o thing_n otherwise_o every_o time_n you_o wash_v your_o hand_n may_v signify_v what_o be_v signify_v in_o your_o baptism_n yet_o you_o will_v not_o say_v it_o do_v so_o and_o the_o same_o answer_n may_v serve_v to_o what_o you_o say_v of_o sprinkle_v and_o dip_v be_v equal_o oblige_v for_o unless_o god_n have_v give_v they_o to_o oblige_v they_o have_v no_o oblige_a nature_n or_o virtue_n in_o they_o 5._o what_o you_o say_v of_o the_o searcity_n of_o water_n can_v be_v no_o plea_n for_o you_o that_o have_v no_o want_n of_o it_o whatever_o it_o may_v be_v for_o they_o that_o have_v it_o not_o but_o sure_a where_o god_n give_v not_o straw_n he_o will_v require_v no_o brick_n he_o do_v not_o make_v baptism_n so_o necessary_a that_o we_o shall_v perish_v if_o we_o can_v but_o rather_o if_o we_o will_v not_o obey_v he_o therein_o 6._o your_o surmise_n that_o dip_v seem_v a_o indecent_a thing_n be_v indecent_o say_v both_o by_o mr._n walker_n and_o yourself_o see_v it_o may_v be_v do_v as_o decent_o as_o your_o sprinkle_v for_o your_o talk_n of_o transparent_a garment_n show_v your_o unacquaintedness_n with_o the_o right_a way_n of_o baptise_v and_o know_v this_o your_o ruffle_a lady_n in_o their_o 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walker_n himself_o suppose_v that_o there_o be_v of_o the_o hundred_o and_o twenty_o disciple_n eighty_o two_o in_o a_o ministerial_a capacity_n to_o wit_n the_o seventy_o two_o beside_o the_o apostle_n sure_o they_o may_v easy_o baptize_v three_o thousand_o in_o a_o few_o hour_n but_o you_o will_v now_o prove_v the_o lawfulness_n and_o reasonableness_n of_o sprinkle_v let_v we_o hear_v what_o you_o say_v 1._o you_o now_o make_v sprinkle_v not_o only_o equal_o signify_v in_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o to_o be_v more_o congruous_a with_o its_o genuine_a signification_n your_o reason_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v a_o derivative_a can_v admit_v of_o no_o large_a signification_n than_o its_o primitive_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o we_o find_v say_v you_o in_o the_o history_n of_o nabuchadnezzar_n when_o like_o a_o beast_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o be_v wet_a with_o the_o dew_n of_o heaven_n but_o for_o answer_n 1._o i_o say_v this_o place_n in_o dan._n 4._o will_v never_o prove_v that_o sprinkle_v be_v more_o congruous_a to_o the_o genuine_a signification_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d than_o dip_v for_o nabuchadnezzar_n be_v seven_o year_n to_o live_v with_o beast_n out_o of_o habitation_n or_o house_n be_v sufficient_o wash_v especial_o be_v probable_o naked_a too_o so_o that_o this_o kind_n of_o wet_n hold_v some_o resemblance_n with_o plunge_v in_o water_n there_o be_v no_o part_n free_a from_o the_o water_n thus_o rain_v upon_o nabuchadnezzar_n in_o which_o respect_n it_o seem_v the_o septuagint_n render_v or_o express_v his_o lie_a open_a to_o the_o snow_n hail_o rain_n or_o dew_n so_o long_o a_o time_n by_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 2._o my_o answer_n be_v that_o the_o greek_a here_o be_v hyperbolical_a and_o not_o proper_o to_o be_v understand_v and_o our_o translator_n know_v this_o do_v not_o as_o i_o suppose_v translate_v the_o word_n according_a to_o its_o proper_a 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