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A54988
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Planēs apokalypsis Popery manifested, or, The papist incognito made known : by way of dialogue betwixt a papist priest, Protestant gentleman, and Presbyterian divine : in two parts : intended for the good of those that shall read it / by L.B.P.
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L. B. P.
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Wing P2376; ESTC R172675
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