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A fruitefull and briefe discourse in two bookes: the one of nature, the other of grace with conuenient aunswer to the enemies of grace, vpon incident occasions offered by the late Rhemish notes in their new translation of the new Testament, & others. Made by Iohn Prime fellow of New Colledge in Oxford.
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Prime, John, 1550-1596.
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they were hereticks withall we must not refuse the good they haue because in other respects they be not good For then belike I will vse an easie example but one when the Philistines tooke away the Lordes arke had it in their keeping because the Philistins haue it Israel shoulde not long to haue it againe or when it was brought home receue with ioy But in very deed vnbeleuers perfect heretiks in capital pointes as they haue no faith so haue they not the good perswasion of the end of faith 1. Pet. 1.9 which is saluatioÌ„ of their soules For they shall neuer be able either to take froÌ„ vs or to kepe in theÌ„ selues the arke of a quiet coÌ„scieÌ„ce And albeit they be suffred somtimes to reioyce in the light for a season and to grow greene in the filde yet all this is but a glimse and in the ende to their greater sorrow as it were by a slender tast to let them know what perfit ioyes the faithfull man feeleth in him selfe and feedeth on in his soule to euerlasting life But now if your saying concerning the perswasion of heretickes were true yet were your reason naught but your saying being false your reason is to to bad 2. Secondly you say that this persuasioÌ„ is contrarie to the feare of God verily we teach and no men more either with better words in speaking or in more due manner in thinking rightly of the fear of God that it is the roote of all wisedom and wheÌ„ we woulde expresse the enormities of any place or persons we speake with the scripture and as Abraham and Dauid did and as we take it with the wordes of greatest dispraise Gen 20.11 Psal 36.1 The feare of God is not in this place or the feare of God is not before their eyes Wherfore we exhort them to stand in aw and sinne not The feare of God expelleth sinne Mater timidi nunquam plorat the timerouse childe is warie in all his wayes loth to venter further then is behoouefull and therefore seldom causeth the carefull mother to wet her eye for him But we speake of the feare of God in his children The diuers acception of the word Feare Mal. 1.6 his feare in them is twofold either a reuerence of the worthinesse of his omnipotent maiestie If I be your father where is my loue If I be your Lord where is my feare or else the feare of God is taken for the dreading of his iustice against sinne iniquitie Prou. 3.7 Feare God depart from euill But these the like feares which are lawful profitable are required certes the certainty of faith doth establish them and they it There are other feares of other sortes a feare of the enemy a feare of mans power 〈◊〉 feare of death hell damnation c. in regard wherof we teach on this wise Fear â—our owne captaine feare not thine and his enemy I will not feare what man can do to me Haue a confidence Ioh. 16.33 1. Ioh. 5.4 I haue conquered the world saith Christ This is your victorie euen your faith which ouercommeth not in one or two skirmishes or coÌ„quereth some one part but getteth the vpper haÌ„d of the whole worlde Wherefore quite your selues like meÌ„ trust in the Lord. O death where is thy sting Hell gates shal not preuaile against you There is no condeÌ„natioÌ„ to theÌ„ that are in Christ Iesus If God be with vs what can be against vs why should we feare any thing but him yet not him otherwise then before I shewed not as the dog the whip the slaue his maister or the thiefe the gallowes but as an honorable Lord a reuereÌ„d father a iust but a good God withall Whom we must serue as Zacharies song is in al respects in holynes righteousnes al the dayes of our life without seruile feare nothing distrusting least happily he shoulde not keepe promises where he once promiseth For this kinde of feare of all others directly oppugneth hope hope it is flat against faith faith against it If you meane such a feare we graunt faith is coÌ„trarie to it and laboreth still more more to root it out This we graunt Faine woulde we heare what you or any of yours caÌ„ say herein without dallying in the diuerse acceptioÌ„s of the word feare directly to the contrarie 3. In the third place you say the assuraÌ„ce of faith ouerthroweth the vse of praying For what need maÌ„ pray that he be not lead into temptation if his faith be assured that he shall be saued notwithstanding temptation O M. Stapleton wil you teÌ„pt God The Lordes determination coÌ„cerning the endes in thinges doth not take away meanes and duties in the mid way of perfourming all that is commaunded to man My life is fixt and the boundes limits therof certaine Shall I therfore in reson therof refuse ordinary meat drink and dayly food or physick in time of sicnes what a folly were it beside an extream fault conteÌ„ning the Lords ordinaÌ„ce Likewise God suffreth no man to be tempted aboue measure 1. Cor. 10.13 Therefore because there is a measure set shall no man power furth his prayers in that respect Paul teacheth a better way Pray alwaies Christ willeth Watch pray that ye enter not into temptation And yet none can not be tempted neither with inward nor outward temptation aboue his measure how theÌ„ doth the certainty of Gods defence therin abolish maÌ„s duty that he should not pray therfor Iam. 1.6 I pray shew vs more at large or rather briefly in plainer maner if you caÌ„ We teach no prayer is good but that which is made in faith why theÌ„ doth the certainty of faith take away the office of praying 4. In the last fourth place you say the certainty of faith peruerteth the doctrine of the SacrameÌ„ts Well I see either you do not see which is grosse ignoraÌ„ce or of a frowardnes you wil not vnderstand what we mean by the assuraÌ„ce of faith We tell you our saluatioÌ„ is built vpon a sure grouÌ„d the Lord doth know who are his they who are the Lords they know they are his This is a firme foundation the scripture writing of the house of Israel that the faithful are registred in the booke of life this assuredly we doe beleeue But that there be no other helps to assure our faith we neuer denied For herein as the word is a known writing to vs so the sacrameÌ„ts are the seals to double our assuraÌ„ce as Pharao saw two dreames to ascertaine him one thing Gen. 51.25 neither doth the assuraÌ„ce that must be by faith destroy the helps that farther that assuraÌ„ce in faith nay the assuraÌ„ce that shold be therin is proued the rather by the helps therto But now as we haue hard your tale M. Stapl. so giue vs a litle leasure to shew our own euideÌ„ces for our own