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A29375 The truth of the times vindicated whereby the lawfulnesse of Parliamentary procedings in taking up of arms, is justified, Doctor Fernes reply answered, and the case in question more fully resolved / by William Bridge ... Bridge, William, 1600?-1670. 1643 (1643) Wing B4467; ESTC R19219 59,030 63

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the King by his paternall right Sect. 3. and so indeed there is roome for an implicite Faith for that children have most of all an implicit Faith in that which their Fathers say Finally Master B. endeavours to shew saith Dr. Ferne how they can answere the Oath of Supremacy an● the Protestation by taking of Armes but who knowes not saith the Docto● if that party of Brownists and Anabaptists which are now so prevalent in the Armes taken up against the King should get the upper hand what would become of the Kings Supremacy and Government An. Here is a loud cry against Brownists and Anabaptists but who are Brownists not all those that are against Prelates and not for the English Common Prayer Book for then all the Reformed Churches are Brownists And as for Anabaptists I wish it may bee considered whether they doe not take some footing for their opinion from the Common Prayer Booke They deny Baptisme to Infants upon this ground because actuall Faith and Repentance is pre-required to Baptisme and doth not the Common Prayer Book seeme to acknowledge as much when as before Baptisme the witnesses in name of the Infant must answer to these Questions dost thou beleeve dost thou renounce the divell and all his workes I must nakedly professe my judgement against that opinion yet were it not good that the very Common prayer booke should come under consideration upon this and other Reasons Secondly if men were so much for Protestant Religion and against Papists as is here pretended they would never be more afraid of Brownists and Anabaptists then of Papists seeing they are of the Protestant Religion and differ not from us in fundamentalls as the Papists doe Thirdly suppose that that Army should prevaile wherein there are Brownists Anabaptists as you say yet is there not so much danger that they should prevaile to mislead the Parliament who are three or foure hundred as that Papists should prevaile to mislead one Fourthly though there should be Anabaptists and Brownists in the Army yet they doe not sight against the Kings Supremacy and his Government as the Papists do against the Protestant Religion and being of Parliaments whose Powder Treason is famous or rather Infamous to all Generations At last the Dr. tells us concerning Supremacy that the King is Supreme not so much in opposition to particular persons as in relation to the whole body Politique of which he is head We say the King is Supreme and head of Kingdome severally and joyntly considered Dr. Ferne indeed tels us that the two Houses of Parliament are in a sort Co-ordinate with his Majestie to some act or exercise of the Supreme power that is to making laws by yeelding their consent And if they bee Co-ordinate in that act of Supremacy Paraeus and others will tell him that the Nomothetick part of Supremacy is the highest We acknowledge the King our Supreme to defend us But not to defend our selves where cause requires gives a supra-Supremacy unto him What else remaines in this Sectionis either matter of words and bare denyall to what hath been said or answered to his other Answerers In the next Section page 89 the Dr. saith Mr. B. enters upon a loose Discourse against Episcopall Government I reserve him for his better instruction to a Booke entituled Episcopacy asserted Ans. No other loose Discourse then what his loose Treatise lead mee into and for the Drs better instruction I refer him to Mr. Baynes his Diocesan Mr. Parkers Ecclesiasticall politieor Altare Damascenum And whereas I said now the Dr. shewes himself he had rather the Kingdom should be imbrued in a bloody Warre then Episcopacy should down because he had said in his Treatise page 25. that the King has Reason by power of Armes to divert the abolishing of Episcopall Government The Dr. Answers Nay Mr. Bridge you and your party in arms show your selves what Spirit you are of who will have this Land imbroyl'd in a bloody Warre rather then Episcopacy shall not down Not so Doctor there is not the same Reason why you should retort these words upon us for I had no where said the Parliament hath Reason by power of Arms to divert the evill of that Government yea I am so farre from it that I professe freely that if the King and Parliament would establish that Government still to be continued that the people is not bound to rise up in arms to root it out though I judge it evill Yea if any Man be of that opinion I think he is to be suffered to live enjoying himselfe and his estate here Then pag. 56. the Dr. saith to that of Sauls speare restored Mr. Bridge Replies though restored before demanded yet not before Saul had humbled himselfe to David saying I have sinned c. We know saies he what you looke for his Majestie hath not bin ashamed to doe it with great condiscention An 'T is possible a King may faile for not humbling himselfe before his Subjects Chron. 2. 36. 13. And Zedekiah did that which was evill in the sight of the Lord his God and humbled not himselfe before Jeremiah the Prophet And though His Majestie had yeelded and humbled himselfe yet lower he would be no loser thereby we know what the old Counsellors said 2 Chron. 10. 7. If thou be kind to this people and please them and speake good Words to them they will be thy servants for ever Finally whereas I had shewed that Ziba and those that resorted to David in his distresse were not of another Religion and by Law to bee disarmed as the Papists now are who have entertainment in His Majesties Army The Doctor answers though by law Papists are not to have Arms at their dispose yet are they not quit of the duty and service of Subjects They owe no more duty to King but according to Law and by Law they are to bee all disarmed Wherefore good Dr. maintaine this illegall way no longer give glory to God and say you are convinced of this truth which indeed you cannot but be if you doe not shut your owne eyes for you told us in your former Treatise that Subjects may lawfully for their owne defence hold the Kings hands and how so if he raise an Army but by an Army Neither can you be so weake as to thinke that the great Senate of the Kingdome that all the Commons Gentlemen and Nobles should be so at the mercy of every meane person invested with the Kings Authority that if a petty Constable or other inferiour Officer doe offer violence unto them that it shall not bee in their power to make a forcible resistance because they are clothed with the Kings Authority Good Sir in the feare of God make your humble addresses to His Majestie and Petition him to return to those that are faithfull to him The worst that he can lose you know if you pretend rightly is but a piece of prerogative or some exercise thereof for the present why should