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A90899 Saving faith set forth in three dialogues or Conferences: 1 2 3 between Christ and a publican. Pharisee. Doubting beleever. Whereunto is added tvvo sermons one of them preached before the Parliament the other before the Lord Mayor of the City of London. By Vavasor Powell, minister of the Gospell. Powell, Vavasor, 1617-1670. 1651 (1651) Wing P3092; Thomason E1332_3; ESTC R209110 22,480 73

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presume or least I should beleeve and have no ground for my faith J. It is not presumption for thee to do what I command thee but it is obedience and is not my word of promise a sufficient ground for thy faith 1 Ioh. 3.23 Joh. 5.24 P. Doest thou then Lord command me to beleeve J. Yes feare not beleeve on me and thou shalt be saved Lu. 8.50 with Act. 16.31 P. But Lord though thou commandest me yet I have no power to beleeve J. I will write my law in thy heart and will inable and give thee power to beleeve Heb. 8.10 Mat. 12.21 P. Lord if thou wilt also give me power to beleeve I will acknowledge I am nothing but what I am in thee and that I have nothing but what I have received from thee J. Doest thou not beleeve P. Oh yes now Lord I do beleeve Ioh. 9.38 J. This is the worke and gift of God that thou dost beleeve for flesh and blood hath not wrought this in thee Ioh. 6.29 Eph. 2.8 P. Oh Lord I do acknowledge it to be thy worke but I am afraid I shall loose this faith againe J. I that am the Authour of thy faith will also finish it be therefore of good cheare for thou art one of my Fathers children and of my Saints and my spirit shall abide in thee for ever Heb. 12.2 Iohn 1.12 Iohn 4.14 Iohn 7.38 39. P. Lord I have sinned against thy father and against thee and I am unworthy to bee called either his Son or thy Servant Luk. 15.21 J. Sonne thy sins are forgiven thee sinne no more Luke 5.23 Iohn 8 11. P. Lord I am afraid I shall sinne againe though I desire and resolve never to do it But what Lord if I should sinne against my will J. Thou canst not sinne willingly and wilfully for my seede of grace will remain in thee and if thou sinnest through weaknesse and frailty I will be an Advocate and propitiation for thy sinnes 1 Ioh. 3.9 1 Ioh. 2.12 P. Is it then thy will Lord that I should have forgivenesse of my sins and doubt no more J. Yes sure for these things have I spoken that thou shouldest have a full assurance and doubt no more P. But what if Sathan when he sees me sinne will tempt me to doubt again J. Say unto him that I am faithfull and just to forgive thee thy sinnes and that my blood cleanseth thee from all sin 1 Ioh. 17. P. But Lord wilt not thou have me to confesse my sinnes J. Yes I will have thee confesse them be sorry for them and forsake them 1 Ioh. 1.9 Prov. 28.13 P. But Lord is it thy minde that I should alwayes be sorrowfull J. No but it is my mind rather that thou shouldest always rejoyce and have strong consolation Phil. 4.4 Heb. 6.18 P. Oh Lord I cannot chuse but cry and mourn and be ashamed and hate my selfe for all my former wickednesse and ungodlinesse Ezek. 16.61 J. Thou maiest do that and yet hold fast thy confidence for the spirit of mourning and the spirit of grace and adoption may be in thy heart at once and the one not destroy the other Zac. 12.10 P. Lord how is that J. Thou maist mourne at the sight of thy sins as they were comitted against me and for thy denying selling and crucifying me and yet thou maiest beleeve because I have said so that they are all pardoned As Josephs brethren cryed and complained for their guiltinesse in selling him yet they were glad that he was alive and could helpe them in their distresse Gen. 42.21 22. P. Now Lord thou hast taught me what I should do in respect of my selfe but now Lord I would do something for thee J. Come then and follow me Mat. 9.9 And he arose and followed him The second Conference between Christ and a Pharisee Pharisee THen one of the Pharisees came to him and asked him what shal I do to work the work of God Joh. 6.28 Jesus This is the worke of God that thou beleeve in him viz. me whom he hath sent Joh. 6.29 Ph But Master what good thing shall I do that I may have eternall life Mat. 19.16 J. If thou wilt be saved by doing then keep the Commandements Ph I have kept them all from my youth Mat. 19.20 J. Then thou art no sinner Ph Yes we are all sinners but I thanke God I am not as other men are Extortioners Unjust Adulterers or even as this Publican Luke 18.11 J. Why what doest thou more than this Publican Ph I fast twice in the weeke and give tithes of all that I possesse and concerning the Law I live blamelesse Luk. 18.12 Phil 3.6 J. Hast thou never read that they which followed after the Law of Righteousnesse have not attained to the Law of Righteousnesse Rom. 9.31 Ph No I never observed that but I remember another text where God saith I gave them my Statutes and shewed them my Judgements which if a man do he shall live in them Ezek. 20.11 J. Doest thou then think to go to heaven by doing Ph Not by doing onely but by doing good and departing from evill J. But doth not the Law say cursed is he that observeth not all things that are written in the words of the Law to do them Deut 27.26 Ph Yes that is whosoever breaks the Law is accursed unlesse hee repents for it J. The Law doth not say unlesse men repent for breaking it they are accursed but it says absolutely they are cursed and I say whosoever keepeth the whole law and yet offendeth in one point he is guilty of all Gal. 3.10 Jam 2.10 Mat 5.19 Ph I say so too that except men keep the law of Moses they (a) Acts 15.1.24 cannot be saved and whosoever (b) Joh. 7 49 know not and keepe not the Law they are accursed J. Doest thou know the Law Ph Yes I know the Law for I am instructed daily out of the Law by our (c) Zeph. 3.4 Doctors of the Law and holy Priests J The Priests have done violence to the Law and they that (d) Jer. 2.8 handle the Law know not the Lord. Ph Jehovah hath said that the Law shal not perish from the Priests for the Priests lips is to keep knowledge and we are to seek the Law at his mouth Jer 18.18 Mal 2.7 J. God hath said also that the Law shall (e) Ez. 7.16 perish from the Priests and that they (f) Jer. 31.4 shall not every man teach his neighbour any more for all shall know the Lord from the least to the greatest Ph I perceive thou goest about to destroy the Law J Thinke not so for I am not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it Mat 5.17 Luke 16.17 Ph I Sir I like that that wee should fulfill the Law for Moses gave us the Law that wee should performe it J Yes Moses gave you the Law but (a) Joh. 7.19 none of you keepeth it but (b) Mal.
Lord what if I be a Bastard and the childe of whoredome J. That doth not hinder thee neither to be saved for my servant (c) Jud. 11.1 with Heb. 11.32 Jepthah was a Bastard so was my servant Phares who is reckoned in my owne Genealogie Compare Gen. 38.18 29 Ruth 4.12 with Mat. 1.3 P. But Lord is there not such a Scripture that a Bastard shall not enter into thy Congregation untill the tenth Generation J. Yes there is such a (d) Deu. 23.2 Scripture and that should make people shun the sin of whoredome but that doth not exclude men that are borne Bastards after the flesh if they be borne againe of the Spirit either out of my Church on Earth now in the dayes of the Gospell or yet out of Heaven P. But what Lord if my father was a Bastard J. Neither doth that binder for Zarah the brother of Phares who was a Bastard begot my two wise and godly servants Ethan and Heman compare Gen. 38.30 1 Chron. 26. with Psal 88. and Psal 89. the titles of both being of Heman and Ethan P. Oh Lord I am a very old sinner and have one foot already in the grave and I feare it is too late for me now to be called J. No it is not too late for I call some at the ninth hour yea some at the (e) Which is but one houre before night or a little before Death eleventh houre And I will poure out of my Spirit upon old men in these Gospel daies Mat. 20.6.9 Joel 2.28 with Act. 2.17 P. But Lord I have committed such great and hainous sins both by speaking and doing that I am afraid it is in vaine for me to seek mercy J. Though thou hast spoken and done evill things as much as thou couldest yet returne unto me and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon thee for I am mercifull Jer. 3.5 P. How shall I looke upon thee Gracious Lord for I have multiplied sins against thee J. As thou hast multiplied sins so will I (f) Or will abundantly pardon multiply pardons if thou wilt returne unto me the Lord Esa 55.7 P. Oh but Lord I scarce think that any so wicked as my selfe were saved for I was an Idolater an Adulterer a Thiefe a Drunkard and what not that was wicked J. Such were many of my servants that are now in heaven but I according to my owne kindnesse and pitty to them saved them by washing sanctifying and justifying them by my owne (g) Or power Name Blood and Spirit 1 Cor. 9.6 9 10 11. Tit. 3.3 4 5 6 7. P. Oh but mercifull Saviour I was a Ring-leader of others into sinne and I enticed and drew many into wickednesse and therefore my case is far worse then others J. As thou wast a Ring-leader and Enticer of others into sin so I can make thee a guide and leader of others into and in the way of righteousnesse as I made thy Country-man Levi and others P. But that which makes me fear most is because I was a Blasphemer Reviler and Persecutor of thy people yea many of thy Saints did I shut up in Prison J. Yet thou shalt have mercy because thou didst it ignorantly through unbeliefe 1 Tim. 1.13 P. Oh but Lord I finde my heart is hardened through the deceitfulnesse and custome of sinne that I cannot hope it will ever be otherwise J. I can and will take the stony heart out of thy flesh and I will give thee a heart of flesh Eze. 36.26 P. Lord wilt thou doe all for mee J. I must do all for thee for without mee thou canst doe nothing Phil. 2.13 Joh. 15.5 P. Lord what then shall I do J. Before I teach thee what thou must doe I will first shew thee what I have done and suffered for thee P. Good Master I desire to know that J 1. I left my own glory and came into the world to save thee and such sinners as thou art John 17.5 1 Tim 1.15 2. Though I was the onely Son of my Father and in his own forme and equall to him yet I tooke upon mee the forme of a servant for thee and thy brethrens sake Joh. 1.14 Phil. 2.6 7 8. 3. Though I was Heire of all things and Possessour of heaven and earth yet I became poore and hungry that thou mightest be made rich Heb. 1.2 Gen. 14.19 and 2 Cor. 8.9 4. Though I deserved honour and glory yet I was reviled threamed and persecuted by my owne creatures and all for my good will to thee Heb. 2.9 1 Pet. 2.23 5. Though I had no sinne yet I was made sin that thou poore sinner mightest escape sin 1 Pet. 1.19 and 2.22 2 Cor. 1.21 6. Though I was a Law-giver and Law-maker yet I became under the curse of my own Law that I might redeem thee from that curse Esa 33.22 Gal. 3.13 7. When I had power over mine own life and no man could take it from mee yet I laid it downe for thee that thou mightest have life Joh. 10.18 Rom. 5.6.9 1 Ioh. 3.16 8. Though I was my fathers delight and an object of his love from everlasting yet I became an object of his wrath for my love to thee Prov. 8.30 Psa 88.16 102.10 9. When thou wast an enemy and stranger to God my father I made peace betweene him and thee and reconciled thee to him by my death and jufferings Rom. 5.10 Col. 1.20 21. Eph. 2.12 13. 10. When thou wert a slave to the Devil and a fire-brand of hel I did rescue thee from the power of the one and redeem thee from the plague and punishment of the other 2 Tim. 2.25 Amos 4.11 Heb. 2.14 1 Thes 1.10 P. Oh Lord I did not deserve any of this from thee J. True thou didst not deserve it but yet I did it freely and out of my love to thee Rom. 3.24 Eph. 5.2 P. Are all my sins Lord satisfied for and done away by thy death J. Yes they are perfectly satisfied for and absolutely don away out of my fathers sight never to be imputed again to thee 2 Cor. 5.19 P. And is there nothing now in the way that hinders me to bee saved J. No there is nothing for I have taken all things out of the way that hindred thee to be saved Col. 2.14 P. And am I to do nothing to be saved J. No nothing at all towards thy owne salvation for I have bought thee from death and purchased thee life and salvation 1 Cor. 6.20 1 Pet. 1.18 19. Eph. 1.14 P. Shall I then be saved Lord J. Yes if thou wilt beleeve and trust wholly and onely upon me and upon my righteousnesse and merits thou shalt bee saved Joh. 3.36 Rom. 9.33 and Ro. 10.9.11 P. Lord I would beleeve but I partly am afraid to beleeve and partly I am so weak I cannot beleeve J. Thou poor fearefull heart feare not but be strong Esa 35.4 But tell me why thou art afraid P. Least I should