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A54154 The invalidity of John Faldo's vindication of his book, called Quakerism no Christianity being a rejoynder in defence of the answer, intituled, Quakerism a new nick-name for old Christianity : wherein many weighty Gospel-truths are handled, and the disingenuous carriage of by W.P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1673 (1673) Wing P1305; ESTC R24454 254,441 450

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of_o god_n ought_v measurable_o to_o witness_v in_o his_o own_o particular_a unto_o the_o behold_n and_o partake_v of_o the_o divine_a wisdom_n power_n and_o righteousness_n that_o dwell_v therein_o which_o be_v meat_n indeed_o and_o drink_v indeed_o unto_o every_o hungry_a and_o thirsty_a soul_n they_o be_v not_o yet_o come_v to_o the_o chief_a cornerstone_n that_o be_v elect_a and_o precious_a but_o be_v carnal_a not_o know_v the_o scripture_n nor_o the_o power_n of_o god_n mat._n 22._o 29._o five_o christ_n jesus_n lay_v far_o more_o weight_n upon_o the_o come_v of_o the_o comforter_n or_o himself_o in_o his_o second_o and_o spiritual_a appearance_n in_o they_o among_o who_o he_o bodily_a converse_v then_o upon_o the_o continuance_n of_o his_o bodily_a presence_n joh._n 16._o 7._o intimate_v that_o he_o intend_v a_o more_o spiritual_a communion_n with_o they_o they_o in_o he_o and_o he_o in_o they_o even_o as_o he_o be_v in_o his_o father_n &_o his_o father_n in_o he_o chap._n 17_o 21_o 23._o a_o fellowship_n beyond_o what_o they_o have_v already_o know_v how_o can_v it_o otherwise_o have_v be_v expedient_a as_o the_o text_n express_v it_o if_o the_o change_n from_o his_o visible_a to_o invisible_a presence_n have_v not_o be_v both_o more_o glorious_a and_o advantageous_a his_o disciple_n believe_v he_o for_o the_o word_n he_o speak_v chap._n 16._o 30._o but_o ver_fw-la 31._o 32._o jesus_n answer_v they_o do_v you_o now_o believe_v behold_v the_o hour_n come_v yea_o be_v now_o come_v that_o you_o shall_v be_v scatter_v every_o man_n to_o his_o own_o as_o much_o as_o if_o he_o have_v say_v you_o shall_v then_o know_v i_o and_o believe_v in_o i_o upon_o a_o more_o clear_a and_o certain_a ground_n when_o you_o shall_v have_v receive_v thus_o of_o my_o fullness_n and_o grace_n for_o grace_n joh._n 1._o 16._o and_o be_v scatter_v to_o it_o which_o be_v hard_o to_o be_v do_v while_o i_o stay_v in_o this_o capacity_n among_o you_o therefore_o it_o be_v expedient_a that_o i_o go_v away_o as_o to_o my_o bodily_a presence_n joh._n 16._o 7._o on_o which_o you_o have_v such_o great_a dependence_n but_o i_o christ_n will_v not_o leave_v you_o comfortless_a i_o will_v come_v a_o comforter_n unto_o you_o chap._n 14._o 3_o 18_o 19_o 20._o for_o lo_o i_o be_o with_o you_o always_o even_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n mat._n 28._o 20._o this_o be_v the_o christ_n of_o god_n six_o because_o the_o apostle_n paul_n desire_v not_o thence_o forth_o to_o know_v christ_n after_o the_o flesh_n but_o spiritual_o as_o he_o be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n reveal_v in_o himself_o 2_o cor._n 5._o 16._o gal._n 1._o 15_o 16._o and_o as_o the_o apostle_n count_v all_o other_o knowledge_n dross_n &_o dung_n to_o that_o of_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n in_o the_o face_n of_o jesus_n christ_n reveal_v in_o he_o so_o be_v he_o not_o content_v that_o the_o galatian_n shall_v rest_v in_o a_o fleshly_a knowledge_n of_o jesus_n christ_n but_o travel_v in_o birth_n with_o they_o 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they_o stick_v in_o the_o veil_n and_o never_o enter_v into_o the_o holy_a of_o holy_a nor_o come_v to_o know_v he_o in_o any_o spiritual_a relation_n as_o their_o high_a and_o holy_a priest_n that_o abide_v therein_o eight_o because_o that_o christ_n live_v and_o dwell_v in_o the_o heart_n of_o his_o child_n joh._n 14._o 23._o chap._n 15._o 5._o chap._n 17._o 21._o coloss_n 1._o 27._o which_o can_v be_v say_v of_o the_o outward_a body_n of_o christ_n therefore_o i_o can_v by_o any_o mean_n believe_v that_o the_o mere_a visible_a flesh_n and_o body_n constitute_v christ_n though_o i_o shall_v confess_v that_o respect_v the_o administration_n and_o the_o service_n of_o that_o holy_a body_n fit_v and_o qualify_v of_o god_n as_o a_o instrument_n to_o usher_v introduce_v and_o bring_v it_o forth_o into_o the_o world_n it_o may_v very_o well_o have_v attribute_v to_o it_o the_o name_n christ_n be_v so_o near_o relate_v but_o rather_o that_o divine_a nature_n wisdom_n power_n righteousness_n 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in_o his_o former_a book_n he_o charge_v we_o with_o the_o sin_n of_o idolatry_n his_o argument_n lie_v thus_o those_o who_o own_o and_o profess_v that_o to_o be_v god_n which_o be_v not_o god_n be_v gross_a idolater_n but_o the_o quaker_n do_v so_o in_o profess_v the_o light_n within_o and_o the_o soul_n of_o every_o man_n to_o be_v god_n therefore_o idolater_n the_o testimony_n upon_o which_o he_o insist_v i_o faithful_o and_o full_o consider_v in_o above_o seven_o page_n of_o sober_a answer_n he_o return_v i_o about_o three_o in_o defence_n of_o his_o charge_n not_o give_v above_o a_o dozen_o line_n of_o what_o i_o write_v and_o those_o make_v up_o of_o scrap_n rather_o contract_v what_o he_o say_v before_o then_o make_v any_o substantial_a reply_n to_o they_o but_o however_o i_o will_v be_v just_a to_o he_o thus_o he_o begin_v reply_v p._n 84_o 85._o to_o my_o charge_n of_o idolatry_n he_o answer_v as_o one_o that_o intend_v to_o confirm_v not_o confute_v it_o his_o very_a denial_n 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