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The truth and certainty of the Protestant faith with a short and plain account of the doctrine of the Romish Church in its visible opposition to Scripture and the very being of Christianity : to which is adjoined some serious considerations anent popery & the state of that controversy.
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Fleming, Robert, 1630-1694.
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this we appeal our adversaries to produce one essential difference betwixt the one and the other from the Records of these times or any Writings of the Fathers 3. That no evidence can be given in contending for the Christian Faith against Heathens and to hold forth the certainty thereof which doth not undeniably answer to confirm the Protestant Religion 4. That in the writings of the greatest Adversaries their bitter invectives against Christianity who in the first times did oppose themselves to the same Doctrine the Protestant Church now owns and professeth such as Câ—â—sus Tryphon Porphyrie Lucian c. There is not the least mention of Popery in any of these Articles against which the Protestant Church contends nor of the Romish Supremacy and Infallibility where they could have had so great advantage to object against the Christian Cause and call its Truth in question Nor did the Jews who objected all they could against the Christian Faith in the least once mention any such points as are now controverted betwixt them and us 5. It is clear from unquestionable Historie and confession of our Adversaries that a continued succession of Orthodox Doctors who did confesse and teach the same Doctrine for the substance that we own have in no times been wanting to the Church nor some visible partie to withstand Poperie and keep up a witnesse to the Truth even in the greatest darknesse as the Romish Writers are forced to confesse That the Protestants now are the same which the Waldenses were of old and the Berengarians before them Qu. Doth not the Popish Religion found on such grounds and Principles as can bring a sufficient certainty therewith of its Truth when it hath the Decrâ—es Canons and infallible Decisions of their Church to warrant the same and of the Pope as Supreme Head Ans According to their Doctrine Principles they can have no possible certaintie of their Religion nor of that they pretend to found on When 1. They are not agreed nor ever like to be who that infallible Judge is or in whom such an Infallibilitie as they claim is seated whether in a General Council or the Pope alone So as they are in greatest contradiction to other about the very foundation of their Faith nor is this a controversie amongst a few but one part of their Church with greatest heat is opposing the other therein 2. They can have no assurance if they have any Church at all and whether most of their Popes Bishops and Priests be not without Baptism and still laicks without Ordination when their Doctrine and the Council of Trent so expreslie hold the efficacie of all Sacraments of which they reckon Ordination as well as Baptism to be one to depend on the Intention of the Priest who officiates of which none possiblie can be sure 3. Such have no rational certaintie of what they professe to believe who are with their own consent shut out from all proper knowledge of the Scripture and on the testimonie of men must resolve their Faith 4. Is it not on a matter of fact and most doubtful Relation they ground their Faith and adventure their immortal soul where scarce a Shadow or School-problem is to bear up the whole Fabrick of Poperie which is an alledged Presidence of Peter amongst the Apostles while no demonstration can ever be given that Peter was at Rome or that he was Bishop there or if the same priviledges be intailed to his Successours and how these should be chosen in after-times 5. According to their Principles they have no Bible nor any such Authentick Record to prove Religion but what is a Masâ—e of dead unsensed Characters that hath no articulate voice or intelligible sound until the Romish Clergie put a sense thereon So that the verie Letter of the Scripture is most evidentlie past from For my self I dare say before him who knoweth all things that I would tremble and stand in a we of any deceit or mistake in the matter of Religion and have in greatest earnest sought to be perswaded of the Truth without respect to interest party or education as that wherein I know an eternal salvation is concerned but can see no way to embrace Poperie except men turn Atheists yea quit all Religion and Reason at once Qu Is not Rome the Catholick and Apostolick Church out of which there is no Salvation Ans We know there is a Catholick Church under the Gospel that consists of all who imbrace the Christian Faith whether bond or free Jewes or Gentiles and is to no particular Nation People or language restricted as under the Law But that the Romish Church can have no possible claim here is unanswerable 〈◊〉 Because no Institution is in the Scripture of such a Church as consisteth of all Christians subjected to one humane Head and Supreme Governour under Jesus Christ on the Earth or where subjection to the Pope is made a condition to Salvation 2. It is clear that in the Apostles time and for many Ages after the Christian Catholick Church had a being when it had no dependence on the See of Rome nor was known by any such Test as to own the Pope and his Supreme Jurisdiction except it be averred that there was one Catholick Church before the setting up of Papacy and the other since essentially different from the former 3. There is no accesse to deny that they are more and of greater extent in the world who embrace the Christian Faith and have no communion with the See of Rome or their Doctrine than such who are subjected thereto 4. As there is on Faith and one Lord Jesus Christ so is there but one body which is his Church united to him as her Head Eph. 4 3. 4. Which is the prorogative of the Son of God alone and incommunicable to any to be the Head thereof but he who for this end died and rose that he might be the Lord of the dead and of the living Rom. 14 9. Qu. Yet is not still the same Christian Religion at least for substance held forth in the Popisâ— Doctrine which the Protestant Church owns Ans Whatever in words such pretend their Principles and the known Doctrine of the Council of Trent can too visibly resolve this that these do not retain the Christian Faith in the essentials thereof but have razed the very foudation who resolve not their Faith on the Scripture and its Divine Authority but on a humane testimony and deny religious worship to be due to the true God alone but give it unto Angels and Men also who lay another foundation to build on than Jesus Christ another Purgatorie than his blood to purifie us from all sin another Propitiatorie Sacrifice to expiate sin than his Death who was once offered to bear the sins of many Heb. 9 28 another merite than his obedience by which we are made righteous and thus make void the great intent of the Gospel laying down a way of Life and Salvation on the same
Traditions whether by Word or Epistle delivered to us 2. Thes 2 15 Ans It is there shewed 1. That the Apostolick Authority whether in speaking or writing was the same and that to both the Church was to give the same credit 2. That what was taught from the Apostle by word was the very same delivered by Epistle but thence can be no ground for receiving of Traditions of the Church of Rome which are not only different from the Scripture but visibly conâ—rary thereto when neither Scripture Reason nor Antiquity discover their being delivered by the Apostles Qu. Is not Oral Tradition such as cannot possibly deceive whereby the Christian Faith and true sense of the Scripture hath been delivered down from hand to hand and from one age to another Ans To this of late doth a part of this of late doth a part of the Romish Church fly though nothing more visibly repugnant to Scripture and Reason if men but open their eyes to see 1. That no more sure and plain delivery of the Truth can be to us by speaking than by writing nor can it be possibly judged how a certainty of the sense of their traditional Doctrine should be more than that of the Scripture 2. This were to resolve our Faith not on the Testimony of God in his Word but on what the Father Forefathers have told to the Children and in effect to pass from all certainty of the Christian Faith and to deny that Doctrine of Christ and way of being eternally saved which with most convincing evidence is delivered to us in the Scripture 3. We see how far Tradition in a few Ages differeth from it self and hath been the rise of such fabulous Romances the World is full of about matters of fact from former times yea how oft the Church hath been almost swallowed up of ignorance and errour so that if one would trace back the Divinity of Christ by Tradition they should go near to lose the scent when it came to Athanasiâ—s's time whilst the whole Christian world seemed to be Arrian Qu. Is there no necessity of Tradition when the Scripture is not sufficient to refute all Heresies in the Church Ans Can it be possible to understand Heresies but as they are against the Scripture or how to have another conception thereof and yet that not sufficient for their refutation this is I confesse a Doctrine meet for such who can make contradictions meet and agree at their pleasure SECT VIII Qu. HAve we not safe and unanswerable ground from the Antiquity of the Romish Doctrine and its long continued succession to found an infallible assurance of its Truth Ans None can deny these 1. That the Scripture is the truest Antiquity and what is not according to this is a novelty brought in on the Church 2. That the rise and pedegree of the Man of Sin must be trac'd back to the very times of the Apostles in his beginning to work whose gradual breaking-up did then hasten to a more full appearance 3. But it is most clear also that the Primitive Church for some Ages knew no such thing as Popery in so horrid a corrupâ—ing of the Christian Doctrine that after followed nor what an Universal Bishop and his Infallibility meaned Qu. But can any evidence be found from these first times of the Christian Church that will import a contradicting of the Popish Doctrine as it is now professed Ans There are no accidents where the thing it self hath no being nor could these possibly write against Poperie in such heads as the Romish Infallibility the worship of Images and Saints c. before they were once brought to light but by undeniable consequence it is clear they held the Scripture to be the alone Rule and foundation of the Christian Faith therefore not the Romish Church and that the Counsel of God was clearly revealed in the same therefore not to be shut up as the fountain of errour Yea that there are but two places after death without the least touch or mentioning such a thing as Purgatory This also was the known Doctrine of the first times that Faith in Christ was the alone way of Salvation therefore not by oâ—r own merit SECT IX Qu. IS not the Doctrine of Merit for which the Romish Church so much contend agreeable to the Scripture and such as we may securely rest upon That men by their own Righteousness and the merit of works may be saved Ans It is clear we must go to Heaven by Merit though not our own yea upon the exactest terms of Justice it is due to him who hath paid the price to the utmost value that none of his purchase be lost but to us it is only of Grace Nor can such Works be meritorious where 1. We owe all and do nothing which is not a debt upon us being Not our own but bought with a price 1 Cor. 6 17. 2. Where no equality proportion or suitablenesse can be betwixt the Work and the Reward as is clear 2 Cor. 4 17. Rom. 3 28. 3. Which at the best have some spot and stain cleaving thereto and come so short to answer what the Law requires Isa 64 4. But we are all as an unclean thing and all our righteousness as filthy rags 4. It is most directly contrary to the Scripture Rom. 11 6. If by grace it is no more of works otherwise grace is no more grace Rom. 4 4. Nâ—w to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace but of debt but to him who worketh not but believeth in him who justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness and chap. 3 28. Wherefore we conclude that we are justified by faith without the deeds of the Law Qu. Yet may not some in an unconverted state deserve a conferring of Grace upon them by putting themselves forth to the utmost for their own conversion which the Romish Church calleth the Merit of congruity Ans From the Scripture it is clear that before renewing Grace all are the Children of wrath who of themselves cannot frame their thoughts to that which is good nor have an active concurrence for such a change 2 Cor. 3 5. And that the alone cause which maketh one to differ from another is that Rom. 9 vers 15. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy Therefore no plea for Merit by any improvement of mens natural abilities Qu. But do not the works of the Regenerate which follow Justification deserve eternal life not from the Imputation of Christ's righteousness but from their own intrinsick worth and proportionableness to the Reward which is called the Merit of condignity Ans This were to subvert the whole contrivance of the Gospel which is a judicial transferring our sin as a debt on Christ the Surety and of his Righteousnesse and Merit to be imputed to us for our Justification without any respect to works and layeth down the very same way of life which was in the Covenant of Works as