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junius_n think_v it_o be_v a_o interrogation_n rather_o refer_v to_o infanticidium_fw-la apol._n c._n 7._o and_o that_o the_o idol_n c._n 7._o semel_fw-la judaei_n christo_fw-la manus_fw-la intulerunt_fw-la isti_fw-la quotidie_fw-la corpus_fw-la ejus_fw-la lacessunt_fw-la speak_v of_o the_o eucharist_n and_o that_o adv_o martion_n l._n 1._o c._n 14._o at_o ille_fw-la quidem_fw-la i._n e._n christus_fw-la nec_fw-la aquam_fw-la reprobavit_fw-la creatoris_fw-la etc._n etc._n nec_fw-la panem_fw-la quo_fw-la ipsum_fw-la corpus_fw-la suum_fw-la repraesentat_fw-la i._n e._n praesentem_fw-la reddit_fw-la if_o we_o may_v interpret_v it_o by_o the_o same_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n in_o l._n 4._o c._n 22._o itaque_fw-la jam_fw-la repraesentans_fw-la eum_fw-la i._n e._n deus_fw-la christum_fw-la hic_fw-la est_fw-la filius_fw-la meus_fw-la utique_fw-la subauditur_fw-la quem_fw-la repromisi_fw-la repraesentans_fw-la i._n e._n praesentan_n to_o γ_n how_o the_o same_o in_o some_o sense_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v like_a or_o unlike_o itself_o see_v before_o but_o there_o be_v two_o thing_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o something_o remain_v after_o consecration_n which_o be_v not_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n but_o the_o symbol_n thereof_o etc._n etc._n none_o say_v that_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o image_n or_o sign_n figure_n or_o similitude_n of_o itself_o as_o in_o the_o eucharist_n but_o either_o that_o the_o symbol_n be_v sign_n figure_n etc._n etc._n of_o the_o body_n or_o the_o body_n as_o in_o the_o eucharist_n a_o figure_n etc._n etc._n of_o the_o same_o body_n as_o crucify_a to_o δ_n that_o s._n austin_n hold_v a_o real_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o eucharist_n those_o of_o the_o second_o opinion_n i_o think_v will_v not_o deny_v that_o he_o hold_v this_o its_o presence_n in_o the_o eucharist_n to_o be_v with_o the_o symbol_n also_o before_o communicate_v i_o think_v be_v clear_a from_o his_o other_o say_n quote_v p._n 38_o etc._n etc._n the_o word_n immediate_o before_o those_o here_o quote_v be_v nun_n semel_fw-la immolatus_fw-la est_fw-la christus_fw-la in_o seipso_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la in_o sacramento_n omni_fw-la die_fw-la populis_fw-la immolatur_fw-la nec_fw-la ubique_fw-la mentitur_fw-la qui_fw-la interrogatus_fw-la eum_fw-la responderit_fw-la immolari_fw-la si_fw-mi enim_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la etc._n etc._n from_o this_o it_o seem_v plain_a that_o st._n austin_n speak_v of_o the_o eucharist_n as_o signify_v christ_n immolation_n on_o the_o cross_n and_o so_o it_o be_v right_o say_v not_o proper_o but_o secundum_fw-la quendam_fw-la modum_fw-la or_o quodammodo_fw-la the_o body_n of_o christ_n as_o the_o body_n be_v in_o that_o manner_n existent_a and_o thus_o paschasius_fw-la answer_v this_o place_n above_o 800_o year_n ago_o but_o it_o be_v capable_a also_o of_o another_o answer_n and_o so_o some_o other_o place_n like_o it_o that_o by_o sacramentum_fw-la s._n austin_n there_o mean_v the_o symbol_n that_o corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la may_v be_v predicate_v quodammodo_fw-la of_o the_o sign_n thereof_o whether_o it_o be_v the_o substance_n or_o only_o the_o species_n of_o the_o bread_n namely_o after_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o the_o consubstantialist_n say_v hic_fw-la panis_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la and_o thus_o algerus_n answer_v this_o place_n against_o berengarius_fw-la before_o any_o council_n have_v decree_v transubstantiation_n last_o s._n austin_n instance_v in_o baptism_n that_o the_o apostle_n say_v in_o it_o consepulti_fw-la sumus_fw-la because_o baptismus_fw-la sepulturam_fw-la significabat_fw-la but_o none_o may_v lawful_o conclude_v from_o hence_o that_o s._n austin_n hold_v baptism_n only_o to_o signify_v grace_n and_o not_o to_o confer_v it_o neither_o therefore_o may_v he_o that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n only_o signify_v christ_n body_n to_o ζ_n 1._o the_o place_n in_o psalm_n 98._o since_o s._n austin_n speak_v here_o of_o eat_v it_o all_o those_o who_o hold_v the_o worthy_a receiver_n to_o partake_v and_o eat_v that_o very_o substantial_a body_n which_o suffer_v for_o they_o upon_o the_o cross_n can_v make_v no_o use_n of_o this_o place_n now_o for_o this_o i_o must_v remember_v you_o again_o of_o calvin_n expression_n neque_fw-la enim_fw-la mortis_fw-la suae_fw-la tantum_fw-la beneficium_fw-la nobis_fw-la offer_v christus_fw-la sed_fw-la corpus_fw-la ipsum_fw-la in_o quo_fw-la passus_fw-la est_fw-la and_o see_v what_o dr._n tailor_n say_v p._n 20._o 2._o note_v that_o s._n austin_n elsewhere_o as_o in_o psalm_n 33._o upon_o those_o word_n accedite_fw-la ad_fw-la eum_fw-la &_o illuminemmi_fw-la and_o contra_fw-la faustum_n 12._o l._n 20._o c._n say_v as_o plain_o the_o seeming-contrary_a to_o this_o judaei_n de_fw-fr crucifixo_fw-la tenebrati_fw-la sunt_fw-la nos_fw-la manducando_fw-la &_o bibendo_fw-la crucifixum_fw-la illuminamur_fw-la et_fw-la nunc_fw-la bibimus_fw-la quod_fw-la de_fw-la christi_fw-la latere_fw-la manavit_fw-la 3._o in_o the_o very_a same_o 98._o psal_n be_v those_o word_n quote_v before_o nemo_fw-la autem_fw-la carnem_fw-la illam_fw-la manducat_fw-la nisi_fw-la prius_fw-la adoraverit_fw-la which_o show_v either_o christ_n very_a flesh_n in_o the_o eucharist_n or_o adoration_n of_o another_o creature_n for_o the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n 4._o i_o see_v no_o reason_n why_o that_o old_a answer_n may_v not_o pass_v give_v long_o since_o against_o berengarius_fw-la quote_v this_o place_n non_fw-la idem_fw-la corpus_fw-la i.e._n in_o propria_fw-la sva_fw-la specie_fw-la accompany_v with_o the_o natural_a quality_n of_o flesh_n and_o blood_n non_fw-la in_o specie_fw-la mortali_fw-la &_o visibili_fw-la ut_fw-la aderat_fw-la tunc_fw-la praesens_fw-la discipulis_fw-la suis_fw-la sed_fw-la alio_fw-la modo_fw-la impassibiliter_fw-la &_o invisibiliter_fw-la se_fw-la habens_fw-la neither_o do_v daille_n reply_n in_o his_o 2d_o answer_v to_o chaumont_n p._n 45._o move_v i_o that_o when_o corn_n be_v first_o sow_o and_o care_v and_o thresh_v and_o so_o ground_n and_o mould_v into_o bread_n we_o may_v with_o the_o same_o reason_n maintain_v that_o the_o eater_n of_o this_o bread_n eat_v not_o the_o same_o corn_n that_o be_v thresh_v &c_n &c_n because_o it_o be_v now_o change_v in_o its_o quality_n because_o this_o alteration_n about_o our_o saviour_n body_n as_o it_o be_v invisible_a impassable_a &c_n &c_n in_o the_o eucharist_n be_v much_o more_o strange_a than_o that_o he_o instance_v in_o but_o that_o all_o such_o expression_n as_o we_o make_v this_o to_o be_v be_v not_o improper_a see_v the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 15.37_o thou_o sowe_v not_o that_o body_n that_o shall_v be_v i._n e._n with_o such_o and_o such_o quality_n and_o ornament_n as_o it_o shall_v come_v up_o though_o it_o shall_v be_v idem_fw-la numero_fw-la corpus_fw-la in_o the_o resurrection_n and_o so_o flesh_n and_o blood_n shall_v not_o inherit_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n though_o flesh_n otherwise_o qualify_v shall_v inherit_v it_o for_o our_o saviour_n glorify_a body_n have_v flesh_n and_o bone_n luk-24_a 39_o and_o see_v st._n augustine_n discourse_n upon_o these_o place_n ep._n 146._o where_o to_o reconcile_v caro_fw-la possidebit_fw-la and_o caro_fw-la non_fw-la possidebit_fw-la &c_n &c_n he_o say_v caro_fw-la secundum_fw-la substantiam_fw-la possidebit_fw-la caro_fw-la autem_fw-la cum_fw-la secundum_fw-la corruptionem_fw-la intelligitur_fw-la non_fw-la possidebit_fw-la and_o so_o for_o the_o wheat_n sow_o non_fw-la quod_fw-la triticum_fw-la say_v he_o non_fw-la erit_fw-la ex_fw-la tritico_fw-la sed_fw-la quod_fw-la nemo_fw-la seminat_fw-la herbam_fw-la stipulam_fw-la &c_n &c_n cum_fw-la quibus_fw-la ista_fw-la semina_fw-la exurgunt_fw-la 5._o last_o the_o same_o phrase_n be_v find_v in_o other_o father_n who_o opinion_n perhaps_o be_v more_o clear_a than_o s._n augustine_n that_o the_o same_o body_n that_o be_v crucify_v be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n receive_v as_o in_o s._n ambrose_n comment_n in_o luc._n l._n 8._o urge_v by_o daille_n second_o rep._n to_o chaum_n p._n 331._o and_o in_o s._n hierom._n in_o ephes_n 1._o cap._n where_o he_o thus_o on_o 7._o verse_n dupliciter_fw-la vero_fw-la sanguis_fw-la christi_fw-la &_o caro_fw-la intelligitur_fw-la spiritualis_fw-la illa_fw-la atque_fw-la divina_fw-la de_fw-la qua_fw-la ipse_fw-la dixit_fw-la caro_fw-la mea_fw-la veer_fw-la est_fw-la cibus_fw-la &_o sanguis_fw-la meus_fw-la veer_fw-la est_fw-la potus_fw-la &_o nisi_fw-la manducaveritis_fw-la carnem_fw-la meam_fw-la &_o sanguinem_fw-la biberitis_fw-la non_fw-la babebitis_fw-la vitam_fw-la aeternam_fw-la vel_fw-la caro_fw-la &_o sanguis_fw-la quae_fw-la crucifixa_fw-la est_fw-la &_o qui_fw-la militis_fw-la effusus_fw-la est_fw-la lancea_fw-la juxta_fw-la hanc_fw-la divisionem_fw-la &_o in_o sanctis_fw-la ejus_fw-la diversitas_fw-la sanguinis_fw-la &_o carnis_fw-la accipitur_fw-la ut_fw-la alia_fw-la sit_fw-la caro_fw-la quae_fw-la visura_fw-la est_fw-la salutare_fw-la dei_fw-la alia_fw-la caro_fw-la &_o sanguis_fw-la quae_fw-la regnum_fw-la dei_fw-la non_fw-la queant_fw-la possidere_fw-la but_o here_o he_o mean_v alia_fw-la in_o quality_n only_o as_o be_v show_v before_o this_o distinction_n of_o christ_n flesh_n in_o s._n hierom_n dr._n tailor_n qualify_v thus_o p._n 10._o that_o body_n which_o be_v crucify_v be_v not_o that_o body_n which_o be_v eat_v in_o the_o sacrament_n if_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o proposition_n be_v to_o speak_v of_o
quem_fw-la pater_fw-la introducens_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o therefore_o the_o church_n enjoin_v these_o three_o 1._o to_o believe_v christ_n corporal_a presence_n in_o the_o sacrament_n 2._o to_o believe_v transubstantiation_n for_o the_o manner_n of_o that_o presence_n 3._o to_o adore_v christ_n as_o be_v there_o present_a it_o follow_v not_o that_o she_o enjoin_v the_o three_o in_o order_n to_o the_o second_o but_o may_v only_o in_o order_n to_o the_o first_o as_o it_o be_v without_o the_o second_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n thereof_o as_o be_v observe_v in_o the_o former_a discourse_n of_o the_o eucharist_n eucharist_n xxxii_o true_a sâ—â—â—ose_a transubstantiation_n to_o be_v a_o error_n â—eâ—_n adoration_n lawful_a if_o corporal_a presence_n true_a these_o consideration_n premise_v 1._o therefore_o now_o suppose_v transubstantiation_n a_o error_n yet_o if_o the_o tenant_n of_o corporal_a or_o real_a presence_n as_o hold_v by_o the_o lutheran_n or_o other_o be_v true_a the_o same_o 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to_o idolatry_n which_o to_o show_v 1._o first_o compare_v this_o mistake_a worship_n of_o the_o transubstantialist_n with_o any_o other_o grant_v idolatry_n of_o the_o heathen_n jew_n or_o christian_n and_o we_o shall_v find_v no_o instance_n of_o any_o the_o subtle_a idolatry_n that_o ever_o be_v but_o in_o its_o guilt_n or_o error_n much_o differ_v from_o this_o the_o most_o subtle_a of_o idolatry_n heathen_a i_o think_v be_v that_o as_o it_o be_v expound_v by_o maximus_n tyrius_n dial_n 39_o mention_v in_o dr._n ham._n idol_n 17._o s._n that_o they_o bestow_v their_o worship_n only_o on_o the_o god_n to_o humane_a eye_n invisible_a and_o use_v image_n only_o as_o sign_n and_o token_n of_o their_o honour_v they_o and_o help_v of_o their_o infirmity_n to_o remember_v they_o etc._n etc._n of_o jewish_a idolatry_n be_v that_o of_o worship_v the_o true_a god_n in_o the_o golden_a calf_n and_o those_o other_o set_v up_o afterward_o in_o in_o dan_n and_o bethel_n of_o christian_a idolatry_n i_o find_v these_o mention_v that_o of_o worship_v the_o b._n virgin_n for_o a_o goddess_n of_o the_o sun_n as_o be_v christ_n of_o saint_n or_o angel_n if_o ever_o any_o such_o worship_n be_v for_o i_o find_v only_o such_o a_o case_n put_v in_o dr._n hammond_n idol_n 47._o s._n communicate_v god_n attribute_n unto_o they_o as_o be_v express_v above_o p._n of_o omniscience_n omnipotence_n which_o thing_n make_v indeed_o not_o one_o but_o many_o gods._n but_o as_o for_o the_o first_o of_o these_o the_o heathen_n whatever_o respect_n they_o give_v to_o the_o image_n it_o be_v certain_a the_o god_n they_o worship_v be_v not_o one_o and_o the_o true_a but_o many_o and_o false_a whilst_o they_o gross_o and_o stupid_o err_v even_a tyrius_n among_o the_o rest_n in_o many_o of_o the_o divine_a attribute_n though_o also_o as_o dr._n hammond_n say_v the_o action_n of_o the_o many_o be_v very_o unlike_a tyrius_n his_o speculation_n as_o for_o that_o of_o the_o jew_n dr._n hammond_n opinion_n be_v sect_n 34_o 35_o 36._o that_o they_o worship_v not_o god_n only_o but_o the_o idol-calf_n also_o as_o upon_o aaron_n consecration_n animate_v and_o inspirited_a by_o god_n as_o the_o heathen_a also_o conceit_v of_o their_o idol_n and_o so_o fit_v to_o supply_v moses_n place_n and_o go_v before_o they_o and_o be_v their_o conductor_n and_o the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v think_v of_o jeroboam_n calf_n see_v 1_o reg._n 12.28_o as_o for_o that_o of_o the_o christian_n those_o who_o worship_v the_o sun_n for_o christ_n be_v not_o excuse_v by_o their_o good_a intention_n because_o most_o wilful_o and_o groundless_o mistake_v in_o their_o judgement_n in_o which_o i_o shall_v show_v the_o transubstantialist_n not_o to_o run_v parallel_n with_o they_o the_o worshipper_n of_o angel_n as_o such_o err_v also_o gross_o in_o the_o divine_a attribute_n but_o no_o such_o thing_n be_v impute_v to_o the_o transubstantialist_n 2._o again_o these_o idolater_n general_o in_o their_o worship_v when_o they_o take_v such_o a_o visible_a thing_n to_o be_v god_n they_o deny_v it_o not_o to_o be_v the_o thing_n still_o they_o affirm_v the_o image_n the_o calf_n the_o sun_n they_o worship_v to_o be_v calf_n and_o gold_n to_o be_v the_o sun_n and_o image_n still_o without_o suppose_v they_o to_o be_v annihilate_v and_o god_n not_o misunderstand_v by_o they_o in_o any_o of_o his_o attribute_n to_o be_v instead_o thereof_o a_o error_n therefore_o only_o like_o they_o will_v it_o be_v if_o any_o in_o the_o eucharist_n shall_v acknowledge_v the_o bread_n to_o remain_v and_o worship_v that_o bread_n no_o way_n suppose_v alter_v for_o his_o christ_n which_o none_n do_v or_o if_o they_o do_v they_o be_v confess_v by_o all_o to_o be_v idolater_n 3._o but_o yet_o further_o these_o idolater_n in_o worship_v a_o creature_n for_o the_o creator_n gross_o imagine_v in_o their_o blind_a judgement_n a_o thing_n no_o way_n possible_a and_o god_n not_o only_o be_v not_o but_o can_v not_o be_v such_o 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