make_v shipwreck_n of_o that_o faith_n which_o make_v she_o a_o true_a church_n but_o other_o kind_n of_o error_n can_v overthrow_v she_o be_v i_o urge_v far_o that_o notwithstanding_o the_o pretence_n to_o infallibility_n they_o allow_v the_o church_n may_v err_v in_o matter_n of_o practice_n of_o the_o high_a importance_n as_o about_o depose_v prince_n and_o absolve_a subject_n from_o their_o allegiance_n but_o not_o about_o the_o least_o matter_n of_o faith_n which_o make_v it_o very_o suspicious_a to_o be_v rather_o a_o politic_a device_n than_o a_o thing_n they_o real_o believe_v here_o the_o defender_n i_o fear_v wilful_o mistake_v my_o meaning_n for_o he_o argue_v as_o if_o he_o think_v i_o be_v prove_v that_o 35._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v define_v the_o depose_v doctrine_n as_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o great_a pain_n he_o take_v to_o prove_v it_o have_v not_o and_o all_o to_o no_o purpose_n for_o i_o insist_v only_o that_o in_o this_o point_n they_o confess_v their_o church_n have_v gross_o err_v as_o to_o a_o matter_n of_o practice_n though_o it_o have_v not_o express_o declare_v it_o as_o a_o article_n of_o faith._n i_o desire_v he_o to_o speak_v out_o have_v it_o not_o err_v notorious_o as_o to_o practise_v in_o this_o matter_n whether_o they_o have_v make_v any_o such_o declaration_n or_o not_o as_o to_o oblige_v all_o other_o of_o their_o communion_n to_o embrace_v the_o doctrine_n it_o be_v undeniable_o true_a that_o their_o pope_n and_o council_n have_v own_v it_o and_o act_v according_a to_o it_o to_o the_o mighty_a disturbance_n of_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o christian_a world._n now_o the_o question_n i_o put_v be_v this_o since_o it_o be_v grant_v they_o have_v so_o notorious_o err_v in_o matter_n of_o practice_n why_o shall_v any_o believe_v they_o infallible_a in_o point_n of_o faith_n i._o e._n that_o so_o many_o pope_n so_o many_o council_n shall_v act_v upon_o this_o principle_n as_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v true_a and_o yet_o preserve_v their_o infallibility_n in_o not_o declare_v it_o to_o be_v true_a this_o i_o confess_v be_v a_o extraordinary_a thing_n and_o the_o defender_n seem_v in_o earnest_a to_o think_v they_o be_v keep_v from_o it_o by_o a_o overrule_a assistance_n of_o the_o divine_a spirit_n which_o be_v just_a as_o if_o a_o man_n be_v set_v upon_o in_o the_o road_n by_o some_o pretend_v to_o be_v his_o friend_n who_o shall_v take_v from_o he_o all_o that_o he_o have_v and_o afterward_o he_o shall_v admire_v the_o providence_n of_o god_n that_o these_o man_n shall_v not_o declare_v it_o lawful_a to_o do_v it_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o so_o many_o pope_n do_v great_a mischief_n to_o the_o world_n and_o especial_o to_o christian_a prince_n by_o act_v according_a to_o this_o doctrine_n and_o that_o they_o actual_o own_v it_o in_o council_n and_o make_v canon_n on_o purpose_n for_o it_o but_o yet_o a_o overrule_a assistance_n keep_v they_o from_o make_v it_o a_o point_n of_o faith._n they_o declare_v their_o own_o belief_n by_o their_o practice_n and_o canon_n they_o require_v the_o observance_n of_o they_o under_o pain_n of_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o church_n if_o they_o do_v it_o not_o and_o gregory_z vii_o 2._o say_v they_o cut_z themselves_o off_o who_o question_n this_o power_n but_o they_o be_v deceive_v notorious_o deceive_v in_o this_o matter_n yet_o they_o may_v be_v infallible_a still_o do_v not_o these_o pope_n declare_v that_o to_o be_v christ_n doctrine_n which_o be_v not_o but_o not_o authoritative_o what_o i_o pray_v do_v this_o mean_a do_v they_o not_o declare_v this_o power_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o authority_n give_v they_o by_o christ_n over_o the_o church_n and_o declare_v those_o excommunicate_a who_o do_v not_o obey_v their_o sentence_n be_v not_o this_o proceed_n authoritative_o suppose_v the_o pope_n have_v in_o the_o same_o manner_n declare_v that_o heretic_n shall_v be_v rebaptise_v i._n e._n make_v canon_n for_o it_o and_o require_v the_o observance_n of_o they_o i_o desire_v to_o know_v whether_o this_o have_v not_o be_v authoritative_a declare_v it_o though_o they_o affix_v no_o anathema_n to_o those_o who_o hold_v the_o contrary_a be_v it_o possible_a for_o any_o man_n to_o believe_v that_o if_o there_o be_v such_o a_o thing_n as_o infallibility_n in_o the_o guide_n of_o the_o church_n that_o christ_n will_v suffer_v they_o to_o run_v into_o such_o pernicious_a error_n and_o in_o such_o a_o authoritative_a manner_n and_o yet_o make_v good_a his_o promise_n of_o keep_v they_o from_o error_n by_o not_o suffer_v they_o to_o define_v this_o doctrine_n as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n but_o this_o will_v appear_v to_o be_v a_o very_a slender_a evasion_n if_o man_n will_v reflect_v on_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o matter_n itself_o for_o it_o be_v about_o the_o exercise_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n over_o prince_n and_o can_v it_o be_v suppose_v that_o since_o they_o challenge_v it_o they_o will_v ever_o suffer_v it_o to_o be_v debate_v in_o council_n but_o they_o will_v still_o have_v it_o pass_v as_o a_o inseparable_a right_n of_o their_o supremacy_n derive_v from_o s._n peter_n and_o all_o that_o they_o will_v allow_v in_o this_o case_n be_v a_o bare_a recognition_n and_o that_o be_v make_v in_o the_o council_n of_o lion_n and_o lateran_n and_o the_o depose_v power_n in_o the_o church_n be_v sufficient_o own_v in_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n and_o trent_n but_o there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o article_n of_o faith_n to_o be_v consider_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 1._o some_o be_v define_v with_o a_o anathema_n against_o dissenter_n and_o so_o we_o do_v not_o say_v the_o depose_v power_n be_v make_v a_o article_n of_o faith._n 2._o some_o be_v receive_v upon_o the_o common_a ground_n of_o faith_n though_o not_o express_o declare_v and_o whatever_o doctrine_n be_v deny_v will_v overthrow_v they_o may_v be_v just_o look_v on_o as_o a_o presumptive_a article_n of_o faith._n as_o the_o deny_v the_o depose_v power_n must_v charge_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n representative_a and_o virtual_a with_o such_o act_n as_o be_v utter_o inconsistent_a with_o the_o promise_n of_o divine_a assistance_n suppose_v to_o be_v make_v to_o it_o therefore_o all_o those_o who_o sincere_o believe_v those_o promise_n to_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n so_o take_v must_v in_o consequence_n believe_v so_o many_o pope_n and_o council_n can_v not_o be_v so_o gross_o mistake_v in_o the_o ground_n of_o their_o act_n and_o i_o find_v those_o who_o do_v now_o most_o contend_v that_o this_o doctrine_n be_v never_o define_v do_v yet_o yield_v that_o both_o pope_n and_o council_n believe_v it_o to_o be_v true_a and_o act_v according_o but_o if_o nothing_o will_v be_v allow_v to_o be_v point_n of_o faith_n but_o what_o pass_v under_o the_o decision_n of_o council_n approve_v by_o the_o pope_n as_o such_o i_o pray_v tell_v i_o which_o of_o the_o general_a council_n determine_v the_o pope_n supremacy_n as_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n where_o be_v the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n infallibility_n define_v be_v these_o point_n of_o faith_n with_o you_o or_o not_o if_o they_o be_v than_o there_o may_v be_v point_n of_o faith_n among_o you_o which_o never_o pass_v any_o conciliar_a definition_n or_o such_o authoritative_a declaration_n as_o the_o defender_n mean_v 2._o i_o now_o come_v to_o consider_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n about_o this_o matter_n of_o a_o infallible_a judge_n of_o controversy_n which_o i_o be_o oblige_v to_o do_v not_o only_o because_o it_o be_v say_v in_o the_o paper_n that_o the_o church_n exercise_v this_o 18._o power_n after_o the_o apostle_n but_o because_o the_o defender_n bring_v tertullian_n as_o reject_v the_o scripture_n from_o be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n for_o controversy_n and_o s._n augustine_n as_o set_v up_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n above_o the_o scripture_n in_o matter_n of_o proof_n but_o i_o confess_v two_o lame_a say_n of_o father_n make_v no_o great_a impression_n on_o i_o i_o be_o for_o search_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o so_o weighty_a a_o point_n as_o this_o after_o another_o manner_n but_o as_o brief_o as_o may_v be_v i._n e._n by_o the_o general_a sense_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o first_o age_n about_o the_o controversy_n then_o on_o foot_n that_o i_o may_v not_o deceive_v myself_o or_o other_o in_o a_o matter_n of_o this_o consequence_n the_o point_n be_v whether_o according_a to_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n when_o any_o controversy_n about_o faith_n do_v arise_v a_o person_n be_v bind_v to_o submit_v to_o the_o church_n sentence_n as_o infallible_a or_o he_o be_v require_v to_o make_v use_n of_o the_o best_a mean_n he_o can_v to_o judge_v concern_v it_o take_v
obligation_n to_o believe_v either_o part_n of_o the_o contradiction_n but_o if_o he_o assert_n either_o of_o they_o to_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n and_o pronounce_v the_o other_o heretical_a he_o than_o err_v in_o faith_n and_o be_v become_v a_o heretic_n from_o whence_o i_o observe_v that_o suppose_v any_o point_n in_o controversy_n not_o to_o be_v so_o determine_v as_o to_o bring_v on_o man_n a_o obligation_n to_o believe_v they_o those_o who_o make_v they_o to_o be_v article_n of_o faith_n and_o condemn_v the_o other_o for_o heretic_n be_v in_o so_o do_v heretic_n themselves_o melchior_n canus_n say_v that_o although_o a_o proposition_n be_v think_v by_o wise_a man_n to_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n yet_o if_o it_o be_v not_o plain_o define_v by_o the_o church_n 11._o nor_o demonstrate_v by_o reason_n than_o the_o oppose_a of_o it_o be_v no_o heresy_n but_o erroneous_a doctrine_n nay_o he_o say_v further_a that_o if_o a_o opinion_n do_v contradict_v a_o point_n of_o catholic_n faith_n in_o the_o most_o probable_a and_o almost_o necessary_a opinion_n of_o all_o wise_a man_n yet_o if_o it_o do_v not_o manifest_o contradict_v it_o be_v bare_o erroneous_a and_o not_o heretical_a suarez_n say_v that_o melchior_n canus_n his_o doctrine_n in_o this_o matter_n be_v 13._o general_o receive_v but_o he_o add_v one_o thing_n more_o viz._n that_o in_o heresy_n there_o must_v be_v the_o high_a opposition_n to_o immediate_a revelation_n but_o if_o it_o imply_v only_o a_o repugnancy_n to_o a_o bare_a catholic_n truth_n or_o theological_a conclusion_n it_o be_v erroneous_a in_o faith_n but_o no_o heresy_n the_o high_a opposition_n lie_v in_o three_o thing_n 1._o the_o revelation_n must_v be_v immediate_a and_o not_o deduce_v by_o consequence_n 2._o that_o it_o must_v be_v most_o certain_o and_o undoubted_o of_o faith._n 3._o that_o the_o erroneous_a proposition_n do_v most_o certain_o and_o undoubted_o contradict_v it_o for_o say_v he_o if_o there_o be_v a_o defect_n in_o any_o one_o of_o these_o it_o be_v not_o a_o heretical_a proposition_n these_o be_v the_o principle_n lay_v down_o by_o their_o own_o writer_n of_o great_a esteem_n and_o therefore_o if_o the_o reply_o think_v fit_a to_o make_v good_a his_o charge_n of_o heresy_n against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n he_o may_v from_o hence_o see_v what_o he_o have_v to_o do_v 1_o he_o must_v prove_v the_o point_n in_o controversy_n to_o be_v of_o immediate_a divine_a revelation_n and_o not_o draw_v from_o thence_o by_o consequence_n and_o supposition_n 2._o that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n do_v in_o the_o high_a plain_a and_o most_o certain_a manner_n contradict_v such_o proposition_n of_o faith._n and_o suppose_v it_o be_v possible_a for_o he_o to_o do_v the_o former_a yet_o if_o their_o own_o expositor_n of_o the_o article_n of_o our_o church_n may_v be_v believe_v he_o can_v never_o do_v the_o latter_a for_o he_o endeavour_v to_o prove_v they_o capable_a of_o a_o catholic_n sense_n the_o five_o first_o he_o allow_v for_o catholic_n as_o they_o stand_v the_o six_o about_o canonical_a scripture_n with_o st_n jerome_n explication_n be_v catholic_n enough_o the_o seven_o 8_o first_o part_n of_o the_o 9th_o and_o the_o whole_a 10_o be_v very_a catholic_n the_o four_o next_o he_o examine_v the_o 15_o needs_o only_o a_o gloss_n of_o st._n augustins_n the_o 16_o very_o good_a the_o 17_o catholic_n and_o so_o the_o 18_o the_o 19_o only_o want_v a_o gloss_n and_o so_o the_o 20_o and_o 21._o the_o 22th_o he_o examine_v 23d_o be_v allow_v the_o 24_o be_v only_o against_o a_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n he_o prove_v from_o canus_n can_v imply_v no_o heresy_n and_o yet_o he_o think_v it_o capable_a of_o a_o good_a gloss._n the_o 25_o he_o allow_v in_o the_o genuine_a sense_n of_o it_o the_o 26_o and_o 27_o be_v confess_v to_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n and_o all_o the_o father_n even_o the_o 28_o against_o transubstantiation_n he_o think_v may_v be_v gloss_v into_o a_o good_a sense_n the_o 29_o be_v explain_v from_o s._n augustin_n the_o 30_o from_o canus_n not_o to_o contain_v any_o heresy_n the_o 31th_o he_o say_v only_o oppose_v the_o common_a opinion_n the_o 32th_o capable_a of_o a_o 〈◊〉_d sense_n 33_o 34th_o agreeable_a to_o scripture_n and_o antiquity_n 35th_o 〈◊〉_d homily_n passable_a 36th_o about_o ordination_n valid_a 37th_o agreeable_a to_o the_o french_a opinion_n and_o practice_n the_o pope_n jurisdiction_n may_v be_v understand_v of_o temporal_a the_o two_o last_o he_o allow_v to_o be_v catholic_n so_o that_o of_o 39_o article_n but_o five_o be_v reserve_v for_o examination_n and_o of_o these_o the_o 11_o he_o say_v be_v about_o word_n the_o 12_o and_o 13_o capable_a of_o a_o good_a sense_n the_o 14_o go_v upon_o a_o mistake_n of_o their_o sense_n the_o 22th_o determine_v nothing_o against_o the_o true_a faith._n i_o do_v not_o go_v about_o to_o justify_v his_o exposition_n but_o i_o say_v that_o upon_o your_o own_o ground_n it_o show_v that_o our_o church_n can_v be_v just_o charge_v with_o heresy_n for_o if_o it_o be_v require_v that_o such_o proposition_n as_o be_v heretical_a must_v in_o the_o high_a and_o clear_a manner_n contradict_v the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o your_o own_o expositor_n grant_v they_o do_v not_o then_o however_o you_o may_v think_v they_o erroneous_a yet_o you_o can_v condemn_v they_o for_o heretical_a 2_o as_o to_o heresy_n a_o sufficient_a proposition_n of_o the_o matter_n of_o faith_n be_v require_v for_o they_o grant_v that_o the_o matter_n of_o faith_n must_v be_v propose_v in_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o to_o induce_v a_o obligation_n to_o believe_v they_o before_o any_o can_v be_v guilty_a of_o heresy_n in_o reject_v they_o therefore_o it_o be_v necessary_a for_o we_o to_o know_v what_o they_o mean_v by_o a_o sufficient_a proposal_n 3._o sâ—arez_n yield_v this_o to_o be_v a_o necessary_a condition_n and_o elsewhere_o discourse_n about_o the_o nature_n of_o it_o and_o there_o he_o show_v 1._o that_o a_o sufficient_a proposition_n of_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o bare_o to_o deliver_v it_o as_o a_o divine_a trath_n but_o it_o must_v be_v do_v with_o such_o circumstance_n that_o it_o may_v appear_v to_o be_v prudent_o credible_a i._n e._n so_o as_o to_o see_v such_o reason_n for_o it_o as_o to_o put_v he_o beyond_o doubt_n or_o fear_v of_o the_o contrary_n 2._o that_o it_o must_v appear_v evident_o credible_a to_o be_v reveal_v by_o god_n and_o therefore_o certain_a and_o infallible_a 3._o that_o it_o must_v appear_v not_o only_o so_o but_o evident_o more_o credible_a than_o the_o doctrine_n repugnant_a to_o it_o 4._o that_o according_a to_o natural_a reason_n the_o assent_n to_o it_o be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n now_o to_o make_v good_a the_o charge_n of_o heresy_n against_o our_o church_n he_o must_v not_o bring_v the_o motive_n of_o credibility_n for_o the_o christian_a faith_n in_o general_n which_o be_v own_v on_o both_o side_n but_o as_o to_o those_o point_n which_o be_v assert_v by_o they_o as_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o reject_v by_o we_o as_o for_o instance_n transubstantiation_n be_v declare_v by_o they_o to_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o it_o be_v deny_v by_o we_o and_o they_o charge_v we_o with_o heresy_n for_o it_o we_o say_v it_o have_v never_o be_v propose_v to_o we_o in_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o to_o make_v it_o appear_v to_o be_v a_o prudent_a judgement_n in_o we_o to_o believe_v it_o or_o that_o it_o be_v ever_o reveal_v by_o god_n or_o more_o credible_a than_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o reason_n not_o any_o one_o of_o these_o thing_n do_v appear_v to_o we_o but_o the_o contrary_a for_o we_o can_v see_v nothing_o of_o the_o credibility_n but_o a_o great_a deal_n for_o the_o evident_a incredibility_n of_o it_o how_o then_o can_v this_o matter_n of_o faith_n be_v say_v to_o be_v sufficient_o propose_v to_o we_o it_o may_v be_v say_v all_o this_o be_v do_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n propose_v it_o and_o if_o it_o be_v make_v evident_o credible_a that_o you_o ought_v to_o believe_v the_o church_n than_o we_o be_v heretic_n for_o reject_v her_o authority_n i_o answer_v that_o if_o by_o the_o church_n authority_n be_v mean_v that_o of_o the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n infallible_a propose_v matter_n of_o faith_n to_o we_o we_o be_v as_o far_o to_o seek_v as_o ever_o and_o for_o our_o heart_n we_o can_v find_v this_o make_v out_o with_o any_o degree_n of_o credibility_n we_o have_v search_v all_o your_o ground_n examine_v your_o motive_n weigh_v your_o reason_n your_o miracle_n we_o have_v not_o see_v but_o we_o can_v meet_v with_o nothing_o that_o shall_v make_v it_o a_o prudent_a judgement_n
a_o vindication_n of_o the_o answer_n to_o some_o late_a paper_n concern_v the_o unity_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o the_o reformation_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n london_n print_v for_o richard_n chismell_a at_o the_o rose_n and_o crown_n in_o s._n paul_n churchyard_n mdclxxxvii_o a_o vindication_n of_o the_o answer_n to_o some_o late_a paper_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v so_o tempt_v a_o piece_n of_o honour_n to_o appear_v as_o the_o champion_n of_o the_o royal_a paper_n that_o i_o rather_o wonder_v that_o no_o 1._o more_o than_o that_o these_o have_v show_v themselves_o to_o the_o world_n under_o so_o invite_v a_o character_n which_o seem_v to_o have_v betray_v they_o into_o more_o than_o usual_a security_n presume_v i_o suppose_v that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v look_v on_o as_o a_o sort_n of_o herald_n in_o controversis_fw-la who_o bear_v the_o royal_a arm_n will_v keep_v they_o from_o be_v touch_v themselves_o though_o they_o bid_v defiance_n to_o other_o but_o where_o truth_n lie_v at_o stake_n every_o one_o have_v a_o right_a to_o put_v in_o for_o it_o and_o who_o game_n soever_o any_o person_n play_v those_o aught_o to_o carry_v it_o who_o have_v the_o best_a card_n to_o show_v i_o mean_v that_o in_o debate_n of_o this_o nature_n and_o consequence_n other_o consideration_n ought_v to_o be_v so_o far_o lay_v aside_o that_o the_o strong_a reason_n shall_v prevail_v but_o lest_o i_o be_v again_o think_v to_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o flourish_v before_o i_o offer_v to_o pass_v 2._o as_o the_o champion_n speak_v in_o his_o proper_a language_n i_o shall_v apply_v myself_o to_o the_o matter_n before_o we_o only_o take_v notice_n that_o i_o be_o now_o glad_a to_o enter_v the_o list_n upon_o even_a ground_n for_o although_o i_o think_v i_o behave_v myself_o with_o due_a respect_n and_o decency_n before_o yet_o i_o perceive_v the_o measure_n of_o those_o thing_n be_v so_o nice_a and_o arbitrary_a that_o it_o be_v very_o hard_a to_o escape_v censure_n where_o the_o distance_n be_v so_o great_a but_o those_o who_o live_v in_o the_o country_n may_v mean_v and_o intend_v as_o well_o to_o their_o prince_n as_o those_o who_o live_v at_o court_n though_o they_o do_v not_o make_v so_o fine_a leg_n nor_o be_v of_o so_o please_v a_o address_n the_o plain_a truth_n be_v controversy_n be_v quite_o another_o thing_n from_o courtship_n and_o poetry_n it_o be_v like_o a_o trial_n at_o law_n which_o ought_v to_o depend_v on_o evidence_n and_o proof_n though_o the_o king_n himself_o be_v concern_v in_o it_o and_o as_o we_o must_v give_v honour_n to_o who_o honour_n so_o truth_n to_o who_o truth_n be_v due_a and_o this_o without_o respect_n of_o person_n it_o be_v a_o case_n long_o since_o decide_v that_o truth_n be_v great_a than_o the_o king._n if_o i_o think_v there_o be_v no_o such_o thing_n in_o the_o world_n as_o true_a religion_n and_o that_o the_o priest_n of_o all_o religion_n be_v alike_o i_o may_v have_v be_v as_o nimble_a a_o convert_n and_o as_o early_o a_o defender_n of_o the_o royal_a paper_n as_o any_o one_o of_o these_o champion_n for_o why_o shall_v not_o one_o who_o believe_v no_o religion_n declare_v for_o any_o but_o since_o i_o do_v very_o believe_v not_o only_o that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o thing_n as_o true_a religion_n but_o that_o it_o be_v only_o to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o book_n of_o holy_a scripture_n i_o have_v reason_n to_o inquire_v after_o the_o best_a mean_n of_o understand_v the_o sense_n of_o those_o book_n and_o thereby_o if_o it_o may_v be_v to_o put_v a_o end_n to_o the_o controversy_n of_o christendom_n this_o be_v the_o noble_a design_n of_o the_o two_o royal_a paper_n which_o be_v write_v with_o far_o great_a strength_n and_o spirit_n and_o closeness_n than_o these_o which_o be_v publish_v in_o defence_n of_o they_o but_o notwithstanding_o all_o their_o fair_a appearance_n i_o can_v not_o be_v convince_v by_o the_o reason_n contain_v in_o they_o and_o much_o less_o by_o the_o defence_n of_o they_o which_o i_o endeavour_v to_o represent_v as_o far_o as_o i_o can_v judge_v with_o modesty_n and_o civility_n but_o if_o i_o have_v offend_v in_o any_o thing_n against_o the_o strict_a rule_n of_o good_a manner_n i_o hope_v i_o may_v be_v the_o more_o easy_o forgive_v since_o their_o casuist_n allow_v involuntary_a fault_n to_o be_v in_o their_o own_o nature_n venial_a the_o method_n propose_v by_o the_o paper_n for_o end_v controversy_n be_v by_o find_v out_o a_o principle_n for_o do_v it_o as_o visible_a as_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v in_o print_n this_o i_o can_v noâ—_n but_o extreme_o approve_v as_o a_o very_a satisfactory_a method_n of_o proceed_v and_o the_o consequence_n i_o say_v will_v be_v that_o all_o man_n of_o sense_n will_v soon_o give_v over_o dispute_v for_o none_o who_o dare_v to_o believe_v what_o they_o see_v can_v call_v that_o in_o question_n the_o author_n of_o the_o râ—ply_n say_v i_o mistake_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o word_n which_o he_o say_v be_v this_o that_o what_o ever_o motive_n render_v it_o visible_a that_o a_o â—_o book_n in_o print_n be_v scripture_n i._n e._n the_o word_n of_o god_n the_o same_o or_o other_o motive_n be_v as_o powerful_a to_o render_v this_o other_o truth_n as_o visible_a that_o none_o can_v be_v that_o church_n but_o that_o which_o be_v call_v the_o roman-catholick_n church_n the_o desender_o say_v the_o church_n be_v more_o visible_a than_o scripture_n because_o the_o scripture_n be_v see_v by_o the_o church_n for_o which_o he_o bring_v s._n augustin_n be_v 3._o authority_n and_o if_o by_o say_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v in_o print_n be_v understand_v a_o tk_n out_o of_o question_n then_o he_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v visible_a that_o the_o scripture_n be_v in_o print_n because_o many_o man_n do_v call_v scripture_n in_o question_n at_o this_o day_n and_o to_o question_v whether_o the_o book_n in_o print_n be_v scripture_n be_v manifest_o to_o question_v whether_o scripture_n be_v in_o print_n the_o word_n of_o the_o royal_a paper_n be_v plain_a but_o these_o interpretation_n of_o they_o so_o force_v and_o unnatural_a that_o there_o need_v no_o other_o confutation_n of_o they_o but_o to_o compare_v their_o confuse_a comment_n with_o the_o text._n it_o be_v as_o visible_a as_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v in_o print_n that_o be_v it_o be_v a_o thing_n evident_a to_o sense_n for_o so_o it_o be_v that_o the_o book_n call_v the_o scripture_n or_o the_o bible_n be_v in_o print_n now_o what_o be_v it_o which_o be_v affirm_v in_o the_o paper_n to_o be_v thus_o evident_a viz._n this_o proposition_n that_o none_o can_v be_v that_o one_o church_n which_o christ_n have_v here_o on_o earth_n but_o that_o which_o be_v call_v the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n but_o if_o it_o be_v certain_a as_o i_o doubt_v not_o to_o make_v it_o appear_v that_o what_o be_v call_v the_o roman-catholick_n church_n be_v but_o a_o part_n of_o that_o one_o church_n which_o christ_n have_v here_o on_o earth_n than_o the_o plain_a result_n of_o this_o proposition_n must_v be_v that_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n evident_a to_o sense_n that_o a_o part_n be_v the_o whole_a now_o this_o look_v so_o odd_o that_o these_o gentleman_n be_v resolve_v that_o this_o shall_v not_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o plain_a word_n and_o therefore_o have_v endeavour_v to_o put_v another_o sense_n if_o it_o may_v be_v call_v so_o upon_o they_o and_o if_o their_o church_n can_v but_o interpret_v scripture_n at_o this_o rate_n we_o be_v in_o a_o hopeful_a way_n to_o have_v a_o speedy_a and_o happy_a end_n of_o controversy_n as_o to_o the_o consequence_n i_o draw_v from_o hence_o that_o if_o controversy_n can_v be_v determine_v by_o a_o principle_n as_o visible_a as_o that_o scripture_n be_v in_o print_n all_o man_n of_o sense_n will_v soon_o give_v over_o dispute_v for_o none_o who_o dare_v believe_v what_o they_o see_v will_v call_v that_o in_o question_n one_o say_v the_o soon_o the_o het_a so_o say_v i_o too_o upon_o 2._o good_a ground_n but_o what_o will_v then_o become_v of_o the_o noble_a science_n of_o controversy_n the_o other_o say_v that_o catholic_n and_o protestant_n 2._o be_v both_o man_n of_o sense_n and_o yet_o they_o dispute_v about_o the_o scripture_n which_o be_v in_o print_n and_o what_o then_o this_o be_v to_o show_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v in_o print_n be_v one_o thing_n and_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v another_o the_o one_o be_v a_o common_a object_n of_o sense_n in_o which_o all_o be_v agree_v the_o other_o be_v liable_a to_o many_o dispute_n and_o therefore_o can_v not_o be_v mean_v in_o the_o paper_n but_o they_o have_v a_o notable_a cavil_v against_o man_n believe_v what_o they_o
see_v because_o faith_n be_v of_o thing_n not_o see_v this_o cavil_v have_v be_v as_o good_a 3._o against_o our_o bless_a saviour_n when_o he_o say_v to_o thomas_n because_o thou_o 3._o have_v see_v thou_o have_v believe_v i_o hope_v upon_o second_o thought_n they_o will_v not_o tell_v he_o that_o this_o be_v improper_o speak_v and_o not_o like_o a_o schoolman_n call_v it_o what_o you_o will_v the_o single_a question_n be_v whether_o your_o church_n will_v allow_v we_o to_o judge_n of_o thing_n according_a to_o the_o plain_a evidence_n of_o sense_n one_o say_v it_o be_v impossible_a that_o any_o man_n shall_v be_v command_v not_o to_o believe_v what_o he_o see_v believe_v â—_o here_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o mind_n upon_o the_o representation_n of_o sense_n and_o will_v he_o secure_v we_o that_o the_o church_n can_v never_o require_v we_o to_o judge_v otherwise_o than_o according_a to_o the_o evidence_n of_o sense_n i_o wish_v he_o will_v make_v his_o word_n good_a for_o i_o assure_v he_o he_o will_v remove_v a_o terrible_a block_n out_o of_o our_o way_n my_o sense_n plain_o tell_v i_o what_o i_o see_v and_o feel_v and_o taste_n be_v as_o much_o bread_n after_o consecration_n as_o it_o be_v before_o how_o then_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o my_o judgement_n that_o it_o be_v bread_n before_o be_v very_o good_a but_o although_o there_o be_v the_o very_a same_o evidence_n afterward_o without_o the_o least_o alteration_n to_o sense_n yet_o than_o i_o be_o to_o judge_v just_a contrary_n i._n e._n that_o it_o be_v not_o bread_n which_o i_o see_v and_o feel_v and_o taste_v just_a as_o i_o do_v before_o but_o he_o say_v what_o be_v see_v be_v only_o the_o form_n shape_n and_o sigure_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n and_o that_o they_o believe_v to_o be_v there_o but_o alas_o this_o do_v not_o reach_v to_o the_o point_n for_o the_o question_n be_v not_o about_o external_a appearance_n but_o about_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o mind_n upon_o the_o evidence_n of_o sense_n i_o will_v make_v this_o matter_n plain_o that_o they_o may_v know_v where_o the_o difficulty_n lie_v when_o christ_n body_n appear_v to_o the_o disciple_n after_o his_o resurrection_n there_o be_v no_o dispute_n among_o they_o concern_v the_o form_n shape_n and_o figure_n of_o his_o body_n but_o the_o doubt_n be_v whether_o from_o these_o they_o be_v to_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v christ_n real_a body_n or_o not_o if_o not_o they_o can_v not_o believe_v from_o the_o evidence_n of_o sense_n that_o christ_n body_n be_v rise_v from_o the_o dead_a if_o they_o be_v let_v they_o tell_v we_o how_o christ_n body_n come_v to_o be_v so_o much_o change_v and_o to_o lose_v those_o essential_a property_n of_o a_o body_n which_o it_o once_o have_v and_o be_v judge_v by_o and_o far_o what_o ground_n there_o be_v for_o we_o now_o not_o to_o allow_v that_o judgement_n of_o sense_n which_o christ_n himself_o appeal_v to_o after_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n for_o if_o christ_n have_v therein_o declare_v that_o our_o sense_n be_v not_o to_o be_v our_o rule_n of_o judge_v concern_v his_o body_n he_o will_v certain_o not_o have_v appeal_v so_o soon_o after_o to_o the_o sense_n of_o his_o disciple_n concern_v that_o very_a body_n and_o neither_o he_o nor_o his_o disciple_n have_v give_v the_o least_o intimation_n that_o what_o we_o see_v and_o feel_v to_o be_v one_o body_n we_o must_v believe_v to_o be_v quite_o another_o which_o we_o can_v neither_o see_v nor_o feel_v do_v not_o two_o angel_n appear_v to_o lot_n in_o the_o figure_n and_o shape_n of_o man_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n descend_v in_o the_o form_n of_o a_o dove_n and_o be_v they_o who_o see_v they_o to_o believe_v according_a to_o the_o evidence_n of_o sense_n i_o answer_v that_o there_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o difference_n to_o be_v make_v between_o invisible_a power_n appear_v under_o bodily_a shape_n and_o a_o natural_a visible_a palpable_a extend_a body_n lose_v the_o property_n of_o a_o body_n abd_v become_v invisible_a impalpable_a and_o indivisible_a and_o withal_o there_o be_v a_o great_a difference_n between_o spiritual_a power_n unite_n the_o real_a particle_n of_o matter_n into_o a_o body_n and_o the_o make_v the_o form_n figure_n and_o shape_v of_o a_o real_a body_n to_o be_v where_o there_o be_v no_o substance_n of_o a_o body_n we_o do_v not_o pretend_v to_o judge_v by_o our_o sense_n of_o invisible_a substance_n under_o outward_a appearance_n but_o of_o the_o truth_n of_o a_o bodily_a substance_n by_o all_o the_o appearance_n of_o a_o body_n under_o all_o the_o circumstance_n necessary_a for_o the_o right_a judgement_n of_o sense_n the_o other_o say_v he_o know_v of_o no_o church_n which_o allow_v not_o people_n to_o believe_v all_o they_o see_v may_v we_o then_o believe_v that_o to_o be_v still_o bread_n 4._o which_o we_o see_v to_o be_v so_o no_o he_o say_v the_o what_o of_o a_o thing_n be_v not_o the_o object_n of_o sense_n i_o perceive_v then_o our_o sense_n be_v very_o impertinent_a thing_n and_o only_o give_v a_o account_n of_o the_o circumstance_n and_o not_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o thing_n but_o i_o pray_v do_v not_o the_o disciple_n perceive_v the_o what_o of_o christ_n body_n by_o their_o sense_n how_o do_v we_o know_v the_o what_o of_o any_o bodily_a substance_n but_o by_o they_o it_o be_v mere_a collusion_n to_o say_v our_o sense_n do_v not_o judge_v of_o substance_n for_o our_o bare_a sense_n judge_v of_o nothing_o but_o be_v the_o mean_n of_o convey_v the_o impression_n or_o representation_n inward_a whereby_o our_o mind_n do_v paâ—s_a judgement_n upon_o thing_n and_o either_o we_o can_v know_v the_o substance_n of_o any_o thing_n sensible_a or_o we_o must_v know_v the_o what_o of_o it_o as_o he_o speak_v by_o our_o sense_n we_o now_o come_v to_o the_o main_a business_n which_o for_o the_o clear_a proceed_n i_o shall_v put_v under_o three_o distinct_a head_n i._o concern_v the_o unity_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n ii_o concern_v the_o authority_n of_o it_o iii_o concern_v the_o reformation_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i._o of_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o here_o the_o point_n to_o be_v discuss_v be_v viz._n whether_o that_o which_o be_v call_v the_o roman-catholick_n church_n be_v that_o one_o church_n which_o christ_n have_v here_o on_o earth_n 1._o the_o first_o thing_n i_o object_v against_o it_o be_v that_o a_o part_n can_v be_v the_o whole_a but_o that_o which_o be_v call_v the_o roman-catholick_n church_n be_v but_o a_o part_n and_o therefore_o it_o can_v be_v the_o one_o catholic_n church_n of_o christ_n here_o on_o earth_n here_o to_o prevent_v cavil_v i_o must_v declare_v that_o i_o mean_v not_o the_o roman_a diocese_n or_o province_n but_o all_o the_o church_n which_o live_v in_o communion_n with_o and_o subjection_n to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n as_o head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o look_v on_o it_o as_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n so_o to_o do_v and_o this_o i_o still_o assert_v to_o be_v but_o a_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o a_o corrupt_a one_o too_o the_o author_n of_o the_o defence_n say_v all_o this_o riddle_n of_o part_n and_o â—_o whole_o come_v from_o my_o inadvertence_n how_o so_o because_o i_o confound_v the_o roman_a diocese_n with_o the_o roman-catholick_n church_n no_o i_o assure_v he_o i_o do_v take_v it_o in_o their_o own_o sense_n for_o all_o that_o embrace_v the_o matter_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v receive_v in_o the_o roman_a communion_n and_o he_o need_v not_o fear_v my_o do_v otherwise_o for_o i_o intend_v to_o discourse_v of_o no_o other_o church_n but_o this_o and_o this_o i_o deny_v as_o so_o take_v to_o be_v the_o one_o catholic_n church_n do_v not_o catholic_n signify_v all_o the_o part_n i_o be_o sure_a it_o ought_v to_o do_v so_o but_o i_o say_v it_o do_v not_o when_o roman_a be_v join_v to_o catholic_n for_o than_o it_o exclude_v all_o those_o from_o be_v part_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o do_v not_o join_v in_o the_o roman_a communion_n and_o this_o i_o say_v be_v unreasonable_a and_o here_o i_o expect_v some_o proof_n in_o so_o material_a a_o point_n but_o there_o be_v not_o a_o word_n far_o than_o that_o catholic_a comprehend_v all_o but_o i_o say_v again_o roman_a catholic_a exclude_v all_o that_o be_v not_o in_o its_o communion_n as_o suppose_v any_o one_o shall_v say_v the_o german_a ocean_n be_v the_o whole_a sea_n and_o to_o prove_v it_o shall_v reason_v as_o this_o gentleman_n do_v ocean_n be_v the_o whole_a sea_n be_v it_o not_o and_o be_v it_o the_o less_o the_o ocean_n because_o german_n be_v add_v to_o it_o no_o the_o ocean_n be_v just_a as_o large_a as_o ever_o it_o be_v but_o
shall_v tumble_v down_o together_o what_o will_v become_v of_o we_o both_o never_o fear_v that_o say_v he_o but_o how_o shall_v i_o help_v fear_v of_o it_o have_v any_o that_o he_o carry_v thither_o come_v back_o and_o assure_v other_o of_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o passage_n no._n but_o how_o then_o why_o say_v he_o you_o be_v bind_v to_o believe_v what_o he_o say_v for_o he_o affirm_v that_o he_o can_v do_v it_o but_o say_v the_o traveller_n this_o be_v very_o hard_o i_o must_v venture_v body_n and_o soul_n upon_o his_o skill_n and_o strength_n and_o i_o must_v take_v his_o word_n that_o he_o have_v both_o this_o seem_v very_o unreasonable_a to_o i_o and_o therefore_o i_o be_o resolve_v to_o take_v the_o other_o course_n which_o though_o it_o do_v not_o make_v such_o big_a boast_n of_o itself_o be_v much_o more_o likely_a to_o be_v safe_a in_o the_o conclusion_n have_v better_a reason_n on_o its_o side_n and_o require_v a_o more_o constant_a care_n of_o myself_o to_o which_o god_n have_v promise_v more_o of_o his_o grace_n and_o assistance_n to_o secure_v i_o from_o all_o fatal_a mistake_n of_o my_o way_n where_o i_o mention_v doctrine_n so_o universal_o receive_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n from_o the_o apostle_n time_n as_o those_o in_o the_o creed_n the_o defender_n make_v a_o notable_a exception_n as_o if_o say_v he_o any_o part_n of_o the_o universal_a christian_a doctrine_n be_v lose_v and_o all_o have_v not_o beâ—n_v always_o as_o universal_o retain_v as_o the_o creed_n then_o i_o hope_v all_o the_o point_n in_o controversy_n between_o we_o and_o they_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o as_o clear_v and_o evident_a a_o succession_n as_o the_o article_n of_o the_o creed_n if_o he_o can_v do_v this_o he_o will_v be_v a_o â—ampion_n indeed_o i_o desire_v he_o to_o take_v his_o choice_n either_o supremacy_n transubstantiation_n infallibility_n of_o the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n or_o which_o he_o please_v i_o grant_v all_o true_a christian_a doctrine_n be_v universal_o retain_v as_o far_o as_o the_o rule_n of_o it_o be_v so_o receive_v but_o if_o he_o mean_v any_o of_o those_o distinguish_a point_n between_o we_o and_o they_o when_o he_o come_v to_o make_v it_o out_o he_o will_v be_v of_o another_o mind_n 3._o a_o three_o inconvenience_n object_v in_o the_o paper_n against_o the_o want_n of_o a_o infallible_a judge_n be_v that_o scripture_n will_v be_v interpret_v by_o fancy_n which_o be_v the_o same_o thing_n as_o to_o follow_v fancy_n to_o this_o it_o be_v answer_v 1._o that_o our_o church_n own_v the_o creed_n council_n father_n and_o primitive_a church_n more_o frank_o than_o any_o other_o church_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v suspect_v to_o leave_v scripture_n to_o be_v so_o interpret_v the_o replier_n say_v we_o only_o pretend_v it_o and_o do_v it_o not_o that_o be_v to_o be_v 21._o prove_v for_o bare_a say_n it_o will_v never_o convince_v we_o but_o his_o proof_n be_v because_o if_o we_o have_v do_v it_o we_o have_v never_o desert_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o our_o answer_n be_v we_o therefore_o desert_v the_o communion_n of_o that_o church_n because_o she_o require_v own_v thing_n from_o we_o for_o which_o she_o have_v no_o authority_n either_o from_o scripture_n creed_n council_n or_o father_n the_o defender_n will_v have_v i_o answer_v direct_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o the_o same_o to_o follow_v fancy_n as_o to_o interpret_v scripture_n by_o it_o as_o though_o i_o be_v 30._o examine_v at_o the_o catechism_n which_o require_v all_o answer_n to_o be_v make_v by_o yea_o or_o nay_o i_o say_v enough_o to_o show_v the_o question_n do_v not_o concern_v we_o for_o we_o do_v not_o allow_v person_n to_o interpret_v scripture_n by_o fancy_n and_o withal_o 2._o i_o ask_v some_o other_o question_n to_o show_v that_o those_o who_o pretend_v to_o infallibility_n may_v do_v thing_n as_o unreasonable_a as_o leave_v scripture_n to_o be_v interpret_v by_o fancy_n and_o i_o have_v our_o saviour_n example_n for_o answer_v one_o question_n with_o another_o the_o instance_n i_o give_v be_v these_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n assume_v to_o itself_o the_o power_n of_o interpret_n the_o rule_n which_o concern_v its_o own_o power_n of_o interpret_n which_o be_v to_o make_v it_o judge_v in_o its_o own_o cause_n and_o to_o give_v it_o as_o great_a power_n as_o if_o it_o make_v the_o rule_n and_o i_o further_o add_v that_o interest_n be_v as_o mischievous_a a_o interpreter_n of_o scripture_n as_o fancy_n and_o therefore_o those_o who_o be_v so_o much_o concern_v be_v not_o to_o be_v rely_v on_o either_o in_o council_n or_o out_o the_o power_n of_o declare_v tradition_n be_v as_o arbitrary_a a_o thing_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o interpret_n scripture_n by_o fancy_n there_o be_v no_o other_o rule_n allow_v by_o it_o but_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o present_a church_n the_o replier_n like_o a_o fair_a adversary_n give_v his_o answer_n plain_o 21._o which_o consist_v in_o two_o thing_n 1._o that_o their_o church_n give_v no_o sense_n of_o scripture_n but_o what_o she_o receive_v from_o tradition_n of_o the_o forego_n church_n and_o so_o he_o call_v it_o apostolical_a tradition_n but_o suppose_v there_o happen_v a_o question_n whether_o it_o be_v so_o or_o not_o must_v not_o all_o be_v resolve_v into_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o present_a church_n declare_v what_o be_v apostolical_a tradition_n and_o so_o it_o come_v all_o to_o one_o 2._o he_o say_v tradition_n be_v public_a and_o fancy_n be_v private_a but_o i_o say_v according_a to_o their_o rule_n tradition_n be_v but_o public_a fancy_n and_o so_o fancy_n in_o particular_a person_n be_v a_o private_a tradition_n but_o whether_o public_a or_o private_a if_o it_o be_v equal_o arbitrary_a the_o case_n be_v alike_o the_o defender_n say_v all_o this_o be_v beside_o the_o business_n and_o therefore_o slide_v off_o as_o well_o as_o he_o can_v with_o some_o slight_a touch_n which_o deserve_v 31._o no_o answer_n 4._o if_o there_o be_v no_o infallible_a judge_n the_o power_n of_o decide_v matter_n of_o faith_n will_v be_v give_v to_o every_o particular_a man_n for_o which_o no_o place_n can_v be_v show_v the_o answer_n be_v that_o if_o by_o decide_v matter_n of_o faith_n no_o more_o be_v mean_v but_o every_o man_n be_v satisfy_v of_o the_o reason_n why_o he_o believe_v one_o thing_n to_o be_v true_a and_o not_o another_o that_o belong_v to_o every_o man_n as_o he_o be_v bind_v to_o take_v care_n of_o his_o soul_n and_o must_v give_v a_o account_n both_o to_o god_n and_o man_n of_o the_o reason_n of_o his_o faith._n this_o the_o replier_n say_v be_v bring_v every_o article_n of_o faith_n to_o the_o test_n of_o 22._o one_o own_o reason_n whereas_o authority_n be_v the_o correlative_a of_o believe_v and_o reason_n of_o knowledge_n we_o do_v not_o pretend_v that_o every_o one_o that_o believe_v shall_v be_v able_a to_o judge_n from_o mere_a principle_n of_o reason_n of_o the_o credibility_n of_o the_o doctrine_n propose_v it_o be_v sufficient_a if_o he_o find_v it_o to_o be_v of_o divine_a revelation_n by_o be_v contain_v in_o god_n word_n and_o it_o be_v not_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n but_o of_o divine_a revelation_n which_o faith_n bottom_n upon_o the_o former_a be_v no_o more_o than_o a_o inducement_n to_o believe_v those_o book_n we_o call_v scripture_n to_o contain_v the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o they_o but_o when_o we_o find_v any_o doctrine_n therein_o we_o account_v that_o sufficient_a reason_n for_o believe_v it_o the_o defender_n find_v no_o fault_n with_o our_o say_n we_o ought_v to_o be_v satisfy_v 32._o of_o the_o reason_n why_o we_o believe_v but_o the_o question_n he_o put_v be_v whether_o there_o be_v indeed_o any_o reason_n why_o they_o shall_v believe_v beside_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n he_o do_v not_o deny_v that_o particular_a man_n ought_v to_o judge_n but_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o paper_n he_o say_v be_v that_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o judge_n unreasonable_o then_o we_o have_v no_o difference_n for_o i_o assure_v he_o i_o never_o plead_v for_o man_n judge_v unreasonable_o the_o question_n then_o between_o we_o be_v whether_o those_o who_o do_v not_o believe_v upon_o the_o infallible_a authority_n of_o the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n do_v judge_v unreasonable_o i._o e._n whether_o there_o be_v equal_a ground_n to_o believe_v the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n infallible_a as_o there_o be_v to_o believe_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n we_o utter_o deny_v the_o roman_a church_n infallibility_n to_o be_v necessary_a to_o our_o believe_v the_o scripture_n for_o we_o receive_v that_o by_o a_o universal_a tradition_n from_o all_o the_o apostolical_a church_n which_o be_v as_o clear_v for_o this_o as_o it_o be_v want_v for_o the_o
a_o man_n such_o st._n augustins_n opinion_n be_v report_v by_o aquinus_n as_o the_o reason_n of_o his_o judgement_n that_o be_v adopt_v into_o the_o body_n of_o the_o canon-law_n and_o therefore_o that_o aught_o to_o be_v the_o standard_n according_a to_o which_o they_o be_v to_o pronounce_v a_o person_n obstinate_a if_o man_n do_v not_o wiâ—h_a diligence_n and_o caution_n seek_v after_o truth_n and_o be_v not_o willing_a to_o embrace_v it_o when_o they_o find_v it_o than_o they_o be_v to_o be_v account_v heretic_n for_o be_v obstinate_a but_o st._n augustin_n go_v no_o further_o however_o suarez_n will_v seem_v to_o agree_v with_o he_o but_o it_o be_v worth_a the_o while_n to_o consider_v his_o doctrine_n about_o it_o 1._o he_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v not_o enough_o for_o one_o to_o be_v ready_a to_o submit_v 11._o to_o god_n word_n either_o write_v or_o unwritten_a but_o the_o submission_n must_v be_v with_o respect_n to_o the_o church_n as_o propose_v both_o to_o we_o 2._o that_o those_o who_o believe_v any_o doctrine_n because_o their_o judgement_n ibid._n tell_v they_o it_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n if_o they_o therein_o follow_v their_o own_o judgement_n and_o not_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o church_n they_o be_v guilty_a of_o such_o a_o obstinacy_n as_o make_v heretic_n 3_o that_o it_o do_v not_o excuse_n â—f_o he_o be_v willing_a to_o believe_v the_o church_n if_o 13._o he_o â—â—es_v reason_n and_o argument_n to_o move_v he_o for_o this_o he_o say_v be_v not_o to_o believe_v the_o church_n authority_n as_o divine_a but_o after_o a_o human_a manner_n which_o may_v consist_v with_o obstinacy_n against_o the_o church_n as_o a_o rule_n of_o faith._n 4_o that_o it_o be_v not_o yet_o necessary_a in_o order_n to_o this_o obstinacy_n to_o believe_v the_o church_n to_o have_v infallible_a authority_n for_o then_o those_o must_v be_v excuse_v from_o heretical_a obstinacy_n who_o deny_v it_o but_o it_o be_v sufficient_a that_o the_o church_n be_v propose_v as_o a_o true_a church_n who_o authority_n he_o be_v bind_v to_o submit_v to_o the_o short_a of_o all_o this_o matter_n be_v if_o a_o man_n resolve_v to_o believe_v as_o the_o church_n believe_v a_o very_a small_a thing_n will_v excuse_v he_o from_o heresy_n but_o if_o not_o nothing_o according_a to_o suarez_n will_v do_v it_o unless_o it_o be_v ignorance_n as_o to_o the_o church_n propose_v and_o this_o be_v the_o modern_a notion_n of_o heresy_n which_o appear_v to_o i_o to_o be_v very_o unreasonable_a on_o these_o account_n 1._o suppose_v a_o person_n have_v a_o general_a disposition_n of_o mind_n to_o believe_v whatever_o be_v sufficient_o propose_v to_o he_o as_o revealed_z by_o god_n and_o believe_v sincere_o whatever_o he_o know_v to_o be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n i_o will_v say_v know_v whether_o this_o disposition_n of_o mind_n do_v not_o real_o excuse_v he_o from_o heretical_a obstinacy_n and_o yet_o this_o be_v very_o consistent_a with_o doubt_v whether_o the_o church_n be_v account_v as_o the_o proponent_n of_o matter_n of_o faith._n 2._o be_v it_o necessary_a in_o order_n to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n that_o the_o person_n believe_v the_o proponent_n to_o be_v infallible_a or_o not_o if_o it_o be_v than_o none_o can_v be_v convince_v of_o heretical_a obstinacy_n but_o such_o as_o reject_v the_o church_n authority_n when_o they_o believe_v it_o infallible_a and_o then_o none_o of_o we_o can_v be_v charge_v with_o it_o for_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v the_o church_n infallibility_n if_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a than_o the_o church_n infallibility_n be_v not_o necessary_a to_o faith_n for_o iâ—_n order_n to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n he_o must_v be_v convince_v of_o resist_v that_o which_o be_v necessary_a in_o order_n to_o faâ—â—h_v from_o whence_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o the_o church_n infallibility_n be_v noâ—_n equire_v as_o the_o ground_n of_o faith._n 3_o suppose_v a_o person_n think_v himself_o bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o believe_v those_o guide_n which_o god_n by_o his_o providence_n have_v set_v over_o he_o and_o he_o believe_v to_o be_v sincere_a and_o honest_a and_o these_o tell_v he_o there_o be_v no_o ground_n to_o believe_v on_o the_o church_n authority_n as_o be_v sound_v neither_o in_o scripture_n nor_o antiquity_n nor_o reason_n be_v not_o he_o excuse_v hereby_o from_o heretical_a obstinacy_n 4._o suppose_v he_o declare_v himself_o ready_a to_o believe_v the_o church_n authority_n if_o it_o be_v sufficient_o propose_v to_o he_o i._n e._n with_o such_o reason_n and_o argument_n as_o be_v proper_a to_o convince_v he_o but_o after_o all_o he_o declare_v that_o he_o can_v see_v any_o such_o and_o yet_o aquinas_n affirm_v no_o man_n can_v believe_v unless_o he_o see_v reason_n why_o he_o shall_v 〈◊〉_d 3._o how_o then_o can_v a_o man_n be_v liable_a to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n because_o he_o only_o refuse_v to_o believe_v when_o he_o see_v no_o reason_n to_o believe_v 5._o suppose_v he_o do_v believe_v that_o which_o the_o church_n propose_v not_o mere_o upon_o its_o authority_n but_o upon_o the_o reason_n which_o the_o church_n offer_v why_o must_v this_o man_n be_v liable_a to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n for_o believe_v upon_o the_o church_n reason_n what_o a_o wonderful_a nice_a thing_n be_v heresy_n make_v it_o seem_v by_o this_o rare_a doctrine_n it_o do_v not_o excuse_v from_o heresy_n to_o believe_v even_o truth_n itself_o if_o it_o be_v upon_o ground_n of_o reason_n which_o the_o church_n itself_o give_v but_o it_o must_v be_v take_v mere_o from_o the_o church_n authority_n and_o yet_o that_o very_a authority_n must_v be_v believe_v on_o the_o ground_n of_o reason_n or_o the_o motive_n of_o gredibility_n 6._o suppose_v a_o person_n have_v use_v the_o best_a mean_n he_o can_v to_o find_v out_o his_o obligation_n to_o believe_v on_o the_o church_n authority_n and_o after_o all_o he_o can_v find_v any_o such_o thing_n what_o obligation_n be_v he_o under_o to_o inquire_v far_o and_o from_o whence_o do_v it_o arise_v and_o if_o he_o be_v not_o under_o any_o how_o can_v he_o be_v guilty_a of_o herecial_a obstinacy_n who_o be_v under_o no_o obligation_n to_o search_v any_o far_o for_o obstinacy_n must_v suppose_v resist_v some_o obligation_n 7._o suppose_v he_o be_v willing_a to_o believe_v on_o the_o church_n authority_n if_o that_o church_n be_v make_v appear_v to_o he_o to_o be_v the_o one_o catholic_n church_n of_o christ_n but_o when_o he_o come_v to_o examine_v this_o he_o find_v that_o he_o must_v exclude_v very_o great_a and_o considerable_a part_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n to_o reduce_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n to_o that_o of_o the_o roman_a communion_n how_o can_v it_o then_o be_v heretical_a obstinacy_n not_o to_o suppose_v a_o part_n to_o be_v the_o whole_a 8._o suppose_v he_o have_v overcome_v this_o yet_o if_o he_o shall_v mistake_v about_o the_o seat_n of_o infallibility_n be_v he_o not_o still_o as_o liable_a to_o the_o charge_n of_o heretical_a obstinacy_n because_o the_o true_a reason_n of_o it_o be_v that_o such_o a_o person_n reject_v that_o which_o god_n have_v choose_v as_o the_o proper_a mean_n to_o propound_v matter_n of_o faith_n to_o we_o but_o if_o he_o shall_v be_v mistake_v in_o the_o true_a proponent_n he_o be_v in_o as_o much_o danger_n of_o heretical_a obstinacy_n still_o as_o suppose_v a_o man_n take_v a_o general_n council_n as_o represent_v the_o catholic_n church_n to_o be_v the_o only_a true_a proponent_n of_o faith_n and_o therefore_o reject_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o pope_n in_o this_o matter_n i_o desire_v to_o know_v whether_o this_o be_v heretical_a obstinacy_n or_o not_o if_o not_o then_o reject_v the_o true_a proponent_n do_v not_o make_v any_o liable_a to_o it_o if_o it_o do_v than_o there_o be_v heretical_a obstinacy_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o well_o as_o out_o of_o it_o and_o so_o much_o in_o answer_n to_o the_o replier_n charge_v of_o heresy_n on_o the_o church_n of_o england_n 3._o the_o next_o charge_n relate_v to_o the_o insufficient_a authority_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o that_o on_o these_o account_n 1._o in_o that_o it_o leave_v every_o man_n to_o judge_v for_o himself_o 2._o because_o she_o dare_v not_o use_v the_o true_a argument_n against_o sect_n for_o fear_v of_o their_o be_v turn_v upon_o herself_o 3._o because_o she_o deny_v a_o appeal_n to_o a_o high_a judicature_n 1._o it_o be_v urge_v in_o the_o paper_n that_o among_o we_o every_o man_n think_v himself_o as_o competent_a a_o judge_n of_o scripture_n as_o the_o very_a apostle_n it_o be_v answer_v that_o every_o man_n among_o we_o do_v not_o pretend_v to_o a_o infallible_a spirit_n but_o all_o yield_v the_o apostle_n have_v it_o and_o by_o be_v a_o judge_n of_o scripture_n if_o no_o more_o be_v mean_v than_o that_o
for_o we_o to_o take_v all_o matter_n of_o faith_n upon_o trust_n from_o she_o and_o if_o there_o be_v no_o evidence_n of_o credibility_n there_o be_v no_o sufficient_a proposal_n and_o if_o there_o be_v not_o there_o can_v be_v no_o obligation_n to_o believe_v and_o where_o that_o be_v not_o there_o can_v be_v no_o heresy_n in_o not_o believe_v according_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o your_o great_a divine_n 3_o as_o to_o the_o charge_n of_o heresy_n there_o must_v be_v obstinacy_n in_o the_o party_n which_o they_o all_o make_v necessary_a to_o formal_a heresy_n aquinas_n quote_v the_o note_a passage_n of_o st._n augâ—stin_n to_o this_o purpose_n 162_o that_o although_o man_n hold_v a_o false_a opinion_n without_o pertinacious_a animosity_n especial_o if_o they_o derive_v it_o from_o their_o parent_n and_o do_v with_o diligence_n and_o caution_n seek_v after_o the_o truth_n and_o be_v ready_a to_o lay_v it_o down_o when_o they_o have_v find_v it_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v reckon_v for_o heretic_n and_o we_o do_v not_o think_v a_o better_a plea_n can_v be_v make_v for_o we_o as_o to_o this_o charge_n than_o what_o be_v contain_v in_o these_o word_n of_o st._n augustâ—n_n but_o here_o we_o must_v observe_v the_o artifice_n of_o aquinas_n he_o see_v this_o will_v never_o do_v their_o business_n against_o the_o enemy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o therefore_o he_o pretend_v to_o give_v the_o reason_n for_o this_o because_o they_o do_v not_o contradict_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o draw_v the_o power_n of_o declare_v heresy_n to_o the_o pope_n as_o have_v the_o chief_a authority_n in_o the_o church_n of_o who_o st._n augustin_n say_v not_o a_o word_n but_o however_o aquinas_n himself_o require_v obstinacy_n even_o in_o this_o case_n to_o make_v a_o heretic_n and_o the_o obstinacy_n be_v not_o place_v by_o he_o in_o the_o mere_a resist_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n but_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o do_v it_o cajetan_a there_o affirm_v that_o if_o there_o be_v no_o pertinacy_n in_o the_o will_n there_o be_v no_o heresy_n so_o that_o if_o a_o man_n hold_v a_o opinion_n contrary_a to_o faith_n in_o itself_o and_o he_o think_v he_o hold_v right_a and_o do_v not_o intend_v to_o dissent_v from_o the_o church_n he_o be_v not_o guilty_a of_o heresy_n and_o so_o cajetan_n define_v pertinacy_n to_o be_v a_o consent_n to_o a_o error_n in_o faith_n know_v it_o so_o to_o be_v melchior_n canus_n say_v it_o be_v the_o general_a opinion_n of_o divine_n and_o canonist_n 9_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o heresy_n without_o obstinacy_n and_o no_o man_n be_v a_o heretic_n he_o say_v who_o do_v not_o see_v and_o know_v choose_v a_o doctrine_n contrary_a to_o faâ—â—h_v suarez_n say_v that_o all_o the_o doctor_n be_v agree_v that_o obstinacy_n be_v require_v to_o heresy_n and_o that_o it_o be_v express_v in_o the_o canon_n law._n so_o that_o i_o need_v to_o produce_v no_o more_o to_o that_o purpose_n but_o the_o difficulty_n be_v to_o know_v what_o they_o mean_v by_o obstinacy_n it_o be_v not_o hard_a to_o understand_v what_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o word_n for_o pertinax_fw-la be_v one_o that_o be_v over-tenacious_a i._n e._n that_o hold_v a_o opinion_n when_o he_o see_v no_o ground_n for_o it_o or_o will_v yield_v to_o no_o reasonable_a conviction_n or_o that_o have_v not_o a_o desire_n to_o find_v out_o truth_n and_o submit_v to_o it_o and_o so_o it_o be_v plain_a st._n augustin_n understand_v it_o in_o the_o place_n before_o mention_v and_o in_o another_o place_n he_o make_v it_o to_o lie_v in_o a_o man_n resist_v the_o catholic_n doctrine_n make_v know_v to_o he_o without_o which_o he_o do_v not_o judge_v he_o a_o heretic_n 51._o though_o he_o hold_v heretical_a doctrine_n and_o again_o he_o declare_v those_o to_o be_v heretic_n that_o contumacious_o resist_v those_o that_o correct_v and_o instruct_v they_o and_o will_v not_o amend_v their_o wicked_a doctrine_n but_o go_v on_o to_o defend_v they_o these_o passage_n of_o st._n augustin_n be_v enter_v in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o 31._o canon_n law_n and_o the_o gloss_n there_o say_v if_o one_o bold_v doctrine_n against_o faith_n and_o be_v ready_a to_o be_v better_o instruct_v he_o be_v no_o heretic_n the_o same_o authority_n ockam_n insist_o upon_o and_o from_o they_o he_o declare_v obstinacy_n fin_n to_o be_v so_o necessary_a that_o without_o it_o no_o man_n can_v be_v a_o heretic_n and_o he_o conclude_v from_o st._n augustin_n that_o if_o a_o man_n be_v ready_a to_o yield_v to_o truth_n when_o he_o find_v it_o he_o be_v not_o guilty_a of_o obstinacy_n and_o he_o prove_v that_o such_o be_v no_o heretic_n from_o these_o reason_n 1_o because_o heretic_n be_v to_o be_v excommunicate_v but_o such_o by_o the_o canon_n law_n be_v schismae_fw-la not_o to_o be_v excommunicate_v 2_o because_o they_o be_v ready_a to_o be_v better_o instruct_v 3_o because_o many_o have_v err_v and_o be_v not_o account_v heretic_n on_o this_o account_n oâ—kam_n distinguish_v a_o twofold_a obstinacy_n 2._o 1._o internal_a 2._o external_n internal_a may_v be_v know_v he_o say_v by_o theâ—e_n rule_n 1._o if_o a_o man_n be_v not_o convince_v by_o miracle_n 2._o if_o he_o will_v rather_o question_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o christian_a faith_n than_o be_v convince_v 3._o when_o he_o do_v not_o use_v mean_n for_o his_o own_o conviction_n but_o resolve_v to_o persist_v in_o his_o error_n such_o a_o neglect_n argue_v a_o obstinate_a mind_n external_n of_o which_o he_o give_v many_o instance_n of_o which_o i_o shall_v mention_v some_o as_o 1._o if_o a_o man_n willing_o say_v or_o do_v something_o whereby_o etc._n he_o discover_v his_o disbelief_n of_o the_o whole_a christian_a faith_n 2_o if_o he_o deme_n any_o part_n of_o the_o old_a or_o new_a testament_n 3._o if_o he_o hold_v the_o whole_a christian_a church_n to_o have_v err_v which_o he_o by_o no_o mean_n understand_v of_o any_o part_n of_o it_o assume_v the_o title_n of_o catholic_n and_o infallible_a to_o itself_o for_o he_o say_v some_o say_v that_o whatsoever_o christ_n have_v promise_v to_o his_o 9_o church_n may_v be_v make_v good_a if_o but_o one_o person_n in_o it_o hold_v the_o true_a faith_n but_o he_o declare_v that_o the_o 〈◊〉_d faith_n may_v be_v preserve_v in_o a_o very_a few_o 4._o if_o the_o contrary_a doctrâ—â—_n know_v to_o be_v universal_o receive_v among_o christian_n as_o if_o one_o shall_v deny_v that_o christ_n be_v crucify_v and_o on_o this_o account_n he_o charge_v 〈◊〉_d 22._o with_o heresy_n for_o deny_v 10._o that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o wicked_a be_v in_o hell_n and_o of_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n before_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n 5._o if_o he_o refuse_v to_o be_v inform_v be_v reprove_v by_o the_o learned_a 6._o if_o he_o protest_v he_o will_v never_o alter_v his_o opinion_n 7._o if_o he_o forbid_v read_v the_o scripture_n or_o preach_v 30._o catholic_n doctrine_n 8._o if_o a_o pope_n command_v a_o erroneous_a opinion_n to_o be_v believe_v as_o matter_n of_o faith._n 9_o if_o a_o man_n consent_v to_o such_o a_o definition_n of_o the_o pope_n and_o impose_v it_o on_o other_o joh._n gerson_n treat_v at_o large_a about_o the_o obstinacy_n which_o make_v one_o a_o heretic_n in_o several_a discourse_n before_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n and_o he_o follow_v st._n augustins_n doctrine_n in_o say_v that_o it_o consist_v in_o not_o seek_v 408._o after_o truth_n and_o not_o obey_v it_o when_o he_o have_v find_v it_o melchior_n canus_n find_v fault_n with_o the_o uncertain_a mark_n of_o obstinacy_n give_v by_o other_o and_o he_o resolve_v it_o at_o last_o into_o this_o that_o a_o man_n hold_v a_o 9_o opinion_n which_o he_o know_v to_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o catholic_n faith_n but_o then_o he_o require_v 1._o that_o he_o be_v certain_a that_o it_o belong_v to_o it_o and_o it_o be_v not_o enough_o that_o learn_v man_n say_v so_o 2._o that_o he_o must_v know_v it_o by_o a_o infallible_a authority_n for_o otherwise_o a_o man_n persist_v in_o his_o opinion_n may_v be_v great_a rashness_n and_o presumption_n but_o it_o be_v not_o heresy_n but_o in_o case_n a_o person_n ignorance_n be_v such_o as_o make_v his_o error_n involuntary_a it_o do_v excuse_v he_o from_o heresy_n because_o that_o be_v not_o a_o voluntary_a error_n suarez_n and_o other_o after_o he_o in_o plain_a term_n make_v the_o obstinacy_n to_o lie_v in_o not_o submit_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n because_o while_o a_o 10._o man_n do_v yield_v to_o the_o church_n authority_n they_o account_v he_o no_o heretic_n â—his_fw-la be_v indeed_o a_o argument_n according_a to_o their_o way_n of_o declare_v heretic_n but_o we_o be_v now_o inquire_v what_o that_o obstinacy_n be_v which_o do_v real_o make_v