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A39769 The truth and certainty of the Protestant faith with a short and plain account of the doctrine of the Romish Church in its visible opposition to Scripture and the very being of Christianity : to which is adjoined some serious considerations anent popery & the state of that controversy. Fleming, Robert, 1630-1694. 1678 (1678) Wing F1277B; ESTC R37829 39,817 62

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this we appeal our adversaries to produce one essential difference betwixt the one and the other from the Records of these times or any Writings of the Fathers 3. That no evidence can be given in contending for the Christian Faith against Heathens and to hold forth the certainty thereof which doth not undeniably answer to confirm the Protestant Religion 4. That in the writings of the greatest Adversaries their bitter invectives against Christianity who in the first times did oppose themselves to the same Doctrine the Protestant Church now owns and professeth such as C●●sus Tryphon Porphyrie Lucian c. There is not the least mention of Popery in any of these Articles against which the Protestant Church contends nor of the Romish Supremacy and Infallibility where they could have had so great advantage to object against the Christian Cause and call its Truth in question Nor did the Jews who objected all they could against the Christian Faith in the least once mention any such points as are now controverted betwixt them and us 5. It is clear from unquestionable Historie and confession of our Adversaries that a continued succession of Orthodox Doctors who did confesse and teach the same Doctrine for the substance that we own have in no times been wanting to the Church nor some visible partie to withstand Poperie and keep up a witnesse to the Truth even in the greatest darknesse as the Romish Writers are forced to confesse That the Protestants now are the same which the Waldenses were of old and the Berengarians before them Qu. Doth not the Popish Religion found on such grounds and Principles as can bring a sufficient certainty therewith of its Truth when it hath the Decr●es Canons and infallible Decisions of their Church to warrant the same and of the Pope as Supreme Head Ans According to their Doctrine Principles they can have no possible certaintie of their Religion nor of that they pretend to found on When 1. They are not agreed nor ever like to be who that infallible Judge is or in whom such an Infallibilitie as they claim is seated whether in a General Council or the Pope alone So as they are in greatest contradiction to other about the very foundation of their Faith nor is this a controversie amongst a few but one part of their Church with greatest heat is opposing the other therein 2. They can have no assurance if they have any Church at all and whether most of their Popes Bishops and Priests be not without Baptism and still laicks without Ordination when their Doctrine and the Council of Trent so expreslie hold the efficacie of all Sacraments of which they reckon Ordination as well as Baptism to be one to depend on the Intention of the Priest who officiates of which none possiblie can be sure 3. Such have no rational certaintie of what they professe to believe who are with their own consent shut out from all proper knowledge of the Scripture and on the testimonie of men must resolve their Faith 4. Is it not on a matter of fact and most doubtful Relation they ground their Faith and adventure their immortal soul where scarce a Shadow or School-problem is to bear up the whole Fabrick of Poperie which is an alledged Presidence of Peter amongst the Apostles while no demonstration can ever be given that Peter was at Rome or that he was Bishop there or if the same priviledges be intailed to his Successours and how these should be chosen in after-times 5. According to their Principles they have no Bible nor any such Authentick Record to prove Religion but what is a Mas●e of dead unsensed Characters that hath no articulate voice or intelligible sound until the Romish Clergie put a sense thereon So that the verie Letter of the Scripture is most evidentlie past from For my self I dare say before him who knoweth all things that I would tremble and stand in a we of any deceit or mistake in the matter of Religion and have in greatest earnest sought to be perswaded of the Truth without respect to interest party or education as that wherein I know an eternal salvation is concerned but can see no way to embrace Poperie except men turn Atheists yea quit all Religion and Reason at once Qu Is not Rome the Catholick and Apostolick Church out of which there is no Salvation Ans We know there is a Catholick Church under the Gospel that consists of all who imbrace the Christian Faith whether bond or free Jewes or Gentiles and is to no particular Nation People or language restricted as under the Law But that the Romish Church can have no possible claim here is unanswerable 〈◊〉 Because no Institution is in the Scripture of such a Church as consisteth of all Christians subjected to one humane Head and Supreme Governour under Jesus Christ on the Earth or where subjection to the Pope is made a condition to Salvation 2. It is clear that in the Apostles time and for many Ages after the Christian Catholick Church had a being when it had no dependence on the See of Rome nor was known by any such Test as to own the Pope and his Supreme Jurisdiction except it be averred that there was one Catholick Church before the setting up of Papacy and the other since essentially different from the former 3. There is no accesse to deny that they are more and of greater extent in the world who embrace the Christian Faith and have no communion with the See of Rome or their Doctrine than such who are subjected thereto 4. As there is on Faith and one Lord Jesus Christ so is there but one body which is his Church united to him as her Head Eph. 4 3. 4. Which is the prorogative of the Son of God alone and incommunicable to any to be the Head thereof but he who for this end died and rose that he might be the Lord of the dead and of the living Rom. 14 9. Qu. Yet is not still the same Christian Religion at least for substance held forth in the Popis● Doctrine which the Protestant Church owns Ans Whatever in words such pretend their Principles and the known Doctrine of the Council of Trent can too visibly resolve this that these do not retain the Christian Faith in the essentials thereof but have razed the very foudation who resolve not their Faith on the Scripture and its Divine Authority but on a humane testimony and deny religious worship to be due to the true God alone but give it unto Angels and Men also who lay another foundation to build on than Jesus Christ another Purgatorie than his blood to purifie us from all sin another Propitiatorie Sacrifice to expiate sin than his Death who was once offered to bear the sins of many Heb. 9 28 another merite than his obedience by which we are made righteous and thus make void the great intent of the Gospel laying down a way of Life and Salvation on the same
Traditions whether by Word or Epistle delivered to us 2. Thes 2 15 Ans It is there shewed 1. That the Apostolick Authority whether in speaking or writing was the same and that to both the Church was to give the same credit 2. That what was taught from the Apostle by word was the very same delivered by Epistle but thence can be no ground for receiving of Traditions of the Church of Rome which are not only different from the Scripture but visibly con●rary thereto when neither Scripture Reason nor Antiquity discover their being delivered by the Apostles Qu. Is not Oral Tradition such as cannot possibly deceive whereby the Christian Faith and true sense of the Scripture hath been delivered down from hand to hand and from one age to another Ans To this of late doth a part of this of late doth a part of the Romish Church fly though nothing more visibly repugnant to Scripture and Reason if men but open their eyes to see 1. That no more sure and plain delivery of the Truth can be to us by speaking than by writing nor can it be possibly judged how a certainty of the sense of their traditional Doctrine should be more than that of the Scripture 2. This were to resolve our Faith not on the Testimony of God in his Word but on what the Father Forefathers have told to the Children and in effect to pass from all certainty of the Christian Faith and to deny that Doctrine of Christ and way of being eternally saved which with most convincing evidence is delivered to us in the Scripture 3. We see how far Tradition in a few Ages differeth from it self and hath been the rise of such fabulous Romances the World is full of about matters of fact from former times yea how oft the Church hath been almost swallowed up of ignorance and errour so that if one would trace back the Divinity of Christ by Tradition they should go near to lose the scent when it came to Athanasi●s's time whilst the whole Christian world seemed to be Arrian Qu. Is there no necessity of Tradition when the Scripture is not sufficient to refute all Heresies in the Church Ans Can it be possible to understand Heresies but as they are against the Scripture or how to have another conception thereof and yet that not sufficient for their refutation this is I confesse a Doctrine meet for such who can make contradictions meet and agree at their pleasure SECT VIII Qu. HAve we not safe and unanswerable ground from the Antiquity of the Romish Doctrine and its long continued succession to found an infallible assurance of its Truth Ans None can deny these 1. That the Scripture is the truest Antiquity and what is not according to this is a novelty brought in on the Church 2. That the rise and pedegree of the Man of Sin must be trac'd back to the very times of the Apostles in his beginning to work whose gradual breaking-up did then hasten to a more full appearance 3. But it is most clear also that the Primitive Church for some Ages knew no such thing as Popery in so horrid a corrup●ing of the Christian Doctrine that after followed nor what an Universal Bishop and his Infallibility meaned Qu. But can any evidence be found from these first times of the Christian Church that will import a contradicting of the Popish Doctrine as it is now professed Ans There are no accidents where the thing it self hath no being nor could these possibly write against Poperie in such heads as the Romish Infallibility the worship of Images and Saints c. before they were once brought to light but by undeniable consequence it is clear they held the Scripture to be the alone Rule and foundation of the Christian Faith therefore not the Romish Church and that the Counsel of God was clearly revealed in the same therefore not to be shut up as the fountain of errour Yea that there are but two places after death without the least touch or mentioning such a thing as Purgatory This also was the known Doctrine of the first times that Faith in Christ was the alone way of Salvation therefore not by o●r own merit SECT IX Qu. IS not the Doctrine of Merit for which the Romish Church so much contend agreeable to the Scripture and such as we may securely rest upon That men by their own Righteousness and the merit of works may be saved Ans It is clear we must go to Heaven by Merit though not our own yea upon the exactest terms of Justice it is due to him who hath paid the price to the utmost value that none of his purchase be lost but to us it is only of Grace Nor can such Works be meritorious where 1. We owe all and do nothing which is not a debt upon us being Not our own but bought with a price 1 Cor. 6 17. 2. Where no equality proportion or suitablenesse can be betwixt the Work and the Reward as is clear 2 Cor. 4 17. Rom. 3 28. 3. Which at the best have some spot and stain cleaving thereto and come so short to answer what the Law requires Isa 64 4. But we are all as an unclean thing and all our righteousness as filthy rags 4. It is most directly contrary to the Scripture Rom. 11 6. If by grace it is no more of works otherwise grace is no more grace Rom. 4 4. N●w to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace but of debt but to him who worketh not but believeth in him who justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness and chap. 3 28. Wherefore we conclude that we are justified by faith without the deeds of the Law Qu. Yet may not some in an unconverted state deserve a conferring of Grace upon them by putting themselves forth to the utmost for their own conversion which the Romish Church calleth the Merit of congruity Ans From the Scripture it is clear that before renewing Grace all are the Children of wrath who of themselves cannot frame their thoughts to that which is good nor have an active concurrence for such a change 2 Cor. 3 5. And that the alone cause which maketh one to differ from another is that Rom. 9 vers 15. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy Therefore no plea for Merit by any improvement of mens natural abilities Qu. But do not the works of the Regenerate which follow Justification deserve eternal life not from the Imputation of Christ's righteousness but from their own intrinsick worth and proportionableness to the Reward which is called the Merit of condignity Ans This were to subvert the whole contrivance of the Gospel which is a judicial transferring our sin as a debt on Christ the Surety and of his Righteousnesse and Merit to be imputed to us for our Justification without any respect to works and layeth down the very same way of life which was in the Covenant of Works as
it Qu. Is it not lawful to make an Image of Christ who is truly Man for keeping up the remembrance of him in our Worship Ans We may not 1. Because it is expreslie forbidden to frame unto ourselves the likenesse of any thing in Heaven where the blessed body of Christ now is 2. Since both natures in him are inseparable this were to fix a representation in our mind of his manhood only dividing it from his Divinity and thus give a manifest advantage to Arrianism 3. Nothing from the Scripture giveth the least shew of any shape or lineament of his Body to let us see that under no visible Image we should seek to represent him 4. The true portraicture of Christ crucified we have set before our eyes in the Gospel and administration of the Sacraments as is clear Gal. 3 vers 1. Qu. Yet is there not safe ground for the worship of Angels of the Virgin Mary and of the Saints since this is not directed unto them as unto God but in a lower degree Ans God alone is and ought to be the object of Religious Worship which in no degree can be given unto any creature whatsoever as is expresse from the Command Matth. 4 10. Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve 2. All worshipping of Angels is forbidden Col. 2 18. Rev. 10 10. 3. Since Religious Worship is due to God alone we may in no degree give it to the Virgin Mary or the Saints since there is but one Mediator Jesus Christ 1 Tim. 2 5. Yea this were so far to put them in the place of God to provoke his jealousie Exo. 24 14. Thou shalt worship no other God for the Lord whose Name is Jealous is a Iealous God And of this is he in a special way Jealous that none be copartners with him in his Worship Qu. Is there no warrantable use of Images Ans The use of Images is not simply condemned for we find some in the Temple by expresse Command though they were only Typical to shadow out things to be fulfilled under the New Testament there is a Political use of Images also lawful for ornament and to keep up the remembrance of friends some historical and for doctrinal use but none should be set up in Churches or in the least set apart for Religious Worship SECT XVI Qu. MAy not the Worship of God in the publick Prayers of the Church be in an unknown tongue according to the Popish Doctrine Ans You have the Apostles answer to this 1 Cor. 14 2. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men but unto God for who understands him In which he shews there can be no visible communion in such an act of worship and lets us see how it contradicts one great end of publick worship that such can have no real and heart consenting therein which is indispensiby called for in that dutie of publick Prayer as we see vers 16. For how shall be that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks since he understands not what thou sayest Qu. Is it not enough to intrust Church-guides with this to whom the People makes their Confession Ans We know no such implicite relyance taught by the Scripture but there is no cure where men will intrust both Religion and Reason at once to the disposal of others Qu. Yet is there not a necessity of some Implicite relyance on these since according to the Romish Doctrine none can be assured of his own Salvation but what he hath on the assurance of his Priest and Confessor Ans Nothing is more clear than a Christians accesse to be assured of his being in the state of Grace and that he hath passed from death to life 1 Ioh. 3 14. Upon these grounds 1. Because a rejoycing in the hope of the glory of God is attainable here as the Apostle sheweth Rom. 5 vers 2. 2. That by the works and evidences of Sanctification a most firm and infallible assurance is in this life given to the Saints 1 Ioh 3 18 19. Let us not love in tongue neither in word but in deed and truth and hereby do we know that we are in the truth and shall assure our hearts before him 3. By the testimonie of the Spirit witnessing with our Spirits That we are the children of God Rom 8 16. 4. By that earnest of the Spirit in our hearts whereby we are sealed unto the day of Redemption Eph. 1 13 14. 4 30. Qu. Is there no ground for that Article of the Romish Doctrine that under pain of damnation there be a Confession of the most secret sins of men yea their very thoughts so far as they can remember unto the Priest according to that James 5 16. Confesse your faults one to another Ans We see as much ground from this to confesse to the people as to the Priest nor doth the Scripture warrant any such thing but this assurance have we that He who confesseth and forsaketh his sins shall find mercy Prov. 28 13. Which none will deny is there meant unto God nor did the Saints in Scripture know Auricular Confession I said I will confesse my transgressions unto the Lord and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin Psal 32 5. Though we deny not the duty of publick Confession in the case of publick and scandalous sins but if men shut not their eyes nothing but a politick interest is here to be thus on the most hid and close counsels of men by such a pretext to keep the Conscience under awe SECT XVII Qu. BUt how should that plea be answered which the Romish Church hath to prove their Religion from its unity universality and an uninterrupted succession Ans It is I confesse strange and astonishing when so clear 1. For her Unity That besides what known differences they are at amongst themselves in many Doctrines they are visibly divided about the very foundation of their Faith and Infallibility of their Church whether it resolve on the Pope alone or on the Pope and a Council or that late found-out Rule of Oral Tradition 2. For an Universality it is easie to know how much more than the one half where the Christian Faith is embraced through the World doth not at all own the See of Rome And 3. For that Succession of their Church and uninterrupted line of Popes they will not themselves debate how there have been ●hree Popes at one time yea by what horrid means some of them got up to that throne as their greatest Writers are forced to confesse Qu. But is the Apostacy of that Church such as there is no safe union with it nor hope of being saved in their Religion Ans If Rome be that spiritual Babylon Rev. 18 4. as is there most evident then is the command peremptorie to come out of her le●t being partakers of her sins th●y be partakers of her plagues yea such a threatning we may read Rev.
and humane inventions thus Fredrick the third King of Suily a religious Prince in such dark times was staggered about the Christian faith and made to question if the Gospel was not some humane device as is published at length in his conference with Arnoldus de Villanova a learned man upon these grounds 1. That the whole Clergy great and small conformed their lives no wise to the Scripture had no regard to the souls of the people and discharged sacred offices for a forme only or else in scorne and mockery which then was so noture as it could not be hid 2. That those of the more severe order of Monks did obviously evidence hypocrisy impiety wantonness rapine yea incredulity about the Gospel it self 3. That in a Doctrine so weighty and of such consequence as the Christian faith the Romish Church seemed so little concerned were intangled in worldly affaires and no course set on foot for propagation of the Gospel to satisfy whom Arnoldus shewed how expresly such defection and these corruptions were foretold under the New Testament as that conference published by him self shewes And besides it is known what advantage the visible grosness of Popery gave to Mahumidanisme and for many's falling off from the visible Profession of Christianity which caused Averroes the Philosopher to cry out Cum Christiani Deum suum manducent sit anima mea cum Philosophis Yea enforced such who gave any serious look to the Scripture to say that either the Scripture was not the Word of God or such as professed the same were not Christians And when thus Atheisme may be seene to follow Popery as its native effect and mutually concurre together Oh! what might be feared from such an obvious conjunction of both in this time if the truth and faithfulness of God were not his Churches security CONSID. V. FIfthly Sould it not seeme strange and such as no reason can truely answere why in these times Kings great men of the earth hath given their power to support the Romish interest when this so visibly is destructive to the just right and interest of all Magistrats but that we see it is of God in giving than so far up in his secret judgment until the Scripture be fulfilled as is clear Rev. 17 17. for Its sure otherwise these things can not be hid from their eyes 1. That as the grandour of the Romish Church grew up how the Kings of the earth by giving their power thereto lost their own and by their concurrace in this designe were no less evidently depressed than the other raised so as all who look in on the history of such times may clearly see the several steps of the Popes advance in coming to his height and of the Empir's declining and fall both in the Easterne and westerne parts most visibly meet in one and the same history yea thus how quickly Magistracy and the power thereof was turned to an Image and shadow that it could not further live and act but as it was enlivened with the Romish breath yea how quickly in a few ages after Phocas the greatest of the westerne Emperors were forced to bow at the Popes feet so as Henry the fourth was put to stand three dayes in the cold winter barefooted at the Pop's gates ere he could be reconciled upon some pretended quarrel he had against him yea the Popish writers accounts it their honour to tell the world how Fredrick Barbarossa the first Emperor of that name was made to lay his neck under Pope Alexanders feet until he trampled thereon blasphemously making use of that Scripture Ps 91. that thus he would tread upon the Lyon and the Dragon before he could obtain his son's liberty then in prison in Venice and at the Pop's disposing And here we may have a conspicuous Commentar on that Scripture 2 Thes 2 3. that this let which was to be taken out of the way of the man of sin's being revealed as is there foretold was not the heathen Empire of Rome only but the Roman Empire in its integrity and strength even after it was Christian 2. It is undeniable from the Romish Doctrine and Principles that power the Pope and Rulers of their Church owns to dethrone Kings and tranferre their Kingdomes to others and by there Interdiction to loose subjects from any tye or alledgeance to their Prince to bind or loose mens consciences as they find their own interest stand and by that plenitude of their Churches power to exempt Ecclesiastick Persons from the Lawes of Magistrats so as they may not be judged by these for the most horride and notorious Crimes which the Civil Power ought to punish whilst their Church immunities are a City of refuge for retreat 3. And as the Romish Religion stricks at the very roo● of Piety and Godliness when by the Popes Power yea of ordinary Priests it can dispense with the most horride Acts of wickedneis murther adultery rapts incest sodomy and hath their rates stated at what price they can purchass a full absolution for the same so doth it thus no less visibly strick at the greatest security of Government and that which foundeth the strongest Obligations to all Civil and Moral Duties which is to have the aw and regard of Religion kept up in a nation 4. It is clear also how the Romish Doctrine subverts truth and righteousness amongst men which is the greatest security of all Personal interests when it avowedly warrants equivocation both in Oaths and Words and in such doubtful tearmes to sweare as may be directly contrair to the intention of the judge requiring the same so as an Oath in judgment cannot be the end of controversy yea by their Doctrine expresly teaches also that a man is not bound to repent presently for the most hainous sins but is only necessar in the last extreame of Life 5. Are not the Principles of the Romish Religion such as are visibly destructive even to humane society in so professed owning under a pretended zeal against heresy for such is the Doctrine of Christ unto them those Prodigies of cruelty which we should think humane nature though corrupt could not but tremble at without being transformed into the very image of the Devil Such as the French and Irish Massacres the Netherland persecution under the Duke of Alva the Spanish Inquisition and those bloody years under Queene Mary's reigne in England do before all the world witness yea it s obvious how no cruelty even of the Heathens in the first times of the Church can almost be found to parallel with Popish cruelty where they can have a doore opened for this Oh! That it should be so little seen and laid to heart at this day how the common interest and concerne of all Princes and Magistrats even upon their own civil rights is to contend against this greatest adversary that ever Jesus Christ had upon the earth and if now be not believed saddest experience may yet make this clear that in those parts where the truth hath been received and embraced and by the good hand of the Lord rescued from the yoke and dominion of Antichrist that its sure the security of the Church and Commonwealth is there necessarily conjoyned so that if the Protestant interest should weare out and the truth decline the land cannot possibly be safe where once this had been received The Romish interest now seemes to gain ground yea a strange and unusual conjūction to promote that way but it s well we know a more blessed and infallible security than outward appearances to rest upon and with that assurance as we can be perswaded of an eternal salvation by Jesus Christ It is sure also 1. That the victory and decision of this warre shall be on the Lambs side and those that are with him must overcome when the living God hath past his word thereupon to his Church and though we may set no bounds as to any particular time we have solide ground to believe that a more remarkeable stroke above all that hath been hitherto hasteneth upon the Kingdome of Antichrist 2. That who soever withdraw and think it their interest now to keep a distance in any adventuring for the truth yet light and deliverance shall arise to the Church from another airth but this shall not be their escape and outgate Yea though it seeme a strange contradiction to sense and reason it is to be the matter of our faith that assuredly now the rise and advance of the reformed Church is on foot and her sharpest conflicts and wrestlings must tend thereunto 3. Though the Spirit of intercession and prayer may be too discernably found under a sad restraint as to what hath been in former times in the Church yet this sure that many prayers and groans once put up by an innumerable company who now are in heaven in behalf of the Church and for that solemne day of Babylons fall yet waits and still cryes before the throne such prayers wherein they had greatest access and liberty by the help of the Spirit for powring out their souls thus before the Lord. 4. It 's sure we are to believe that instruments shall be yet raised and called for that end with a mervelous appearance of God upon them to execute the judgment written against this Adversary and O what a blessed and honourable service shall it be 5. Should this not otherwise be made out but through a sea of blood and wounding the heads over many Countries yea in a way as we have clearest ground to judge which humane reason could never reach It is sure this cannot be wanting and when the God of truth hath said such an enemy shall be brought down his Counsel must stand though all the Kingdomes of the earth stood in the way thereof Oh! at what a rate does these now run themselves in the way of his wrath and vengeance and to be partakers of the same plagues with Antichrist who yet will not cease for giving their power to support that accursed and falling interest FINIS