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A89845	A publike discovery, of the open blindness of Babels builders, and their confused language, who have been building without, till they deny faith, knowledge and the Gospel light within, the law of the new covenant, and matter of the new creature. Plainly laid open in an answer to a book intituled A publike discovery of a secret deceipt, subscribed John Deacon, in behalf of some who pretend a call to the ministry. Wherein their first queries their replyes; their answers to my queries, and their last queries is answered, and their whole work laid open, and the end thereof with queries sent back, by them to be answered, that their boasting spirit may be farther revealed, & its blindness. Here is also some of their confusions taken out of the heap, and set by themselves to be seen, how they will stand in the eye of truth, where but the least measure of God is known. / By an enemy to deceit, but a friend to the creation, called James Naylor.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N305; Thomason E870_2; ESTC R204793	29,385	50

in their heart which God shewed them c. Deal plainly a●d let people know how it now comes to be without and denied within as it is by you Prove your practice and judgement herein by plain Scripture 3. Answer and Reply In this Answer you charge me with two lyes first concerning Christ preaching the Kingdom of God within unbelievers and to prove that a lye you change that Scripture Luk. 17 21. which saith the Kingdom of God is within you to among you The second lye you charge me with is because I said the Apostle said that they came to the knowledge of God and his Glory by that light that shone in their hearts To which I say it s no lye for none ever came to the knowledge of God otherwise but by that spiritual light and that the Apostle said so 2 Cor. 4. 6. may testifie and that Scripture Rom. 1. 19. which saith that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it to them this you say cannot be the spirit of God or Christ thus being stark blind you utter your lyes and confusions without sahme and would cast them upon others but how should you believe the Kingdom of God within who say faith and knowledge is not within Quer. 4. Whether that new birth spoken of in the Scriptures be Christ within or some other thing and if not he then what is it and how people may know it by the letter without the light when they have Christ and when they have a spirit of delusion and whether the light of the spirit alone be sufficient without the letter to reveal the Son of God the Father and all Truth and judge of all spirits what soever without any addition to it 4. Answer and Reply In this Answer you run a wild chase telling of Adam and Eden much the like things which you know naught of and then you tell of the matter whereof the New Man is made and you say the Mind and Will of Man is the Matter to which I say that 's like all the New Man you know so the second Adam is made of the Mind and Will of the first The Saints had Christ formed in them which was their new birth but is he formed of the Will of Man the new birth of the Saints is not of the Will of Man nor of the Will of the Flesh but of God but your birth is of the Will of Man and such like babling stuff not worth mentioning after you but leaves the Quere unanswered only addes a lye in the conclusion that our spirit opposes the commands in the Letter Quer. 5. Whether the least measure of saving faith in Christ Jesus be not present power above the Devil and all the powers of darkness which if it be then what is the cause that men must be captivated to commit sin while they live Whether it is want of faith or that there is not power in faith to overcome the evil one or hath any faith in Christ farther then they haue power over sin and the world or is there any rest to a believer short of that power 5. Answer and Reply In your Answer to this Quere your whole work is to plead for sin and that the greatest fulness cannot except from actual sin and in the conclusion you render it as a dangerous thing lest they should fight against Gods Counsel and Determination as though God had determined actual sin yet dare not deny the Quere but say the least measure of faith in Christ is sufficient to keep from the dominion of sin as though sin had not dominion where it is acted and such like confused stuff you utter lest any should believe freedom from sin and you lose your Kingdome Quer. 6. Seeing you say the Scriptures is the ground of faith and that they who can read the Scriptures have power to believe as you did the last first day then I say can any believe who have not read or heard the Scriptures if yea then is not their faith without ground by your opinion or is there more grounds of faith then one or is the Scriptures Christ 6. Answer and Reply In stead of answering this you call me a lyar for telling you the truth the time and place where and when you did affirm that whereof I told you in my Quere and hundreds may witness it for which I then withstood thee and thy companions among whom it was spoken Quer. 7. Seeing you affirm that none can be Ministers of Christ but who are called of Man and are learned men whether was the Apostle Paul a true Minister who saith he was neither of man nor by man and what he preached was not after man Nor was it but by revelation Gal. 1. 2 11 12. Or was Peter John and the rest true Ministers who were unlearned and ignorant men Act. 4. 13. and what lets that God may not chuse such now 6. Answer and Reply This is answered like the former by denying what thou and thy companions did affirm at the Mouth before many witnesses and if thou said some and another other some and all was as one was it not affirmed by you but it s no new thing to say in words what you will deny when you should prove in writing but be●ng called lyar by thee is little matter so many knowing I speak truth Farther thou sayest I oppose Christs commands and bely his Institutions in general wh●ch are but two lyes more to the number Another lye you tell of God saying you dare boldly assert that God never did nor never will use any extraordinarie meanes to destroy the ordinarie I say was not the brazen Serpent outward Circumcision and Carnal Ordinances ordinary means and did he not by the extraordinary means of his spirit destroy these and if it thus befal that which he had commanded when they committed Idolatry therewith then what shall become of your Idol-worship such as he never commanded now at his spiritual appearing though the Heathen had bespoiled of their Idols yet down you must and the event will declare it Quer. 8. What eye is that which the God of this world hath blinded how he hath blinded it and how it is opened and by what and whether the Letter can open it yea or no 8. Answer and Reply This you excuse saying you have not read any such thing I say its a hard lesson for the blinde to read but that eye was Christ and his Ministers sent to open of which you are blinde and cannot read Quer. 9. Whether the true Ministery of Christ be the same now for matter means and maintenance that it was in Apostles time or when was it changed into great Livings Tythes and set Maintenance and by whom and in what must it now differ from these 9. Answer and Reply In this you have excluded all the Parish Ministerie in the Nation in that you say the Ministerie of Christ is the same now for matter

means and maintenance that it was in the Apostles times which not one Steeple house-Teacher in the Nation is in so all you can plead for them will not game what you have confessed against them till they change their practice You have now left no place for any meaning but to the Apostles practise you must come or else none of Christs Ministers by your own confession and then you would plead for another practise then the Apostles and saies the Apostles emploiment requireth haste and they were to travel from one Region to another were to plant not to order the Vineyard To which I say it will be long ere your Ministers be in such haste as to leave their parsonages and go travel from one Region to another unless for a better benefit so by your confession they who are not the same are none of Christs Ministers so stop your mouth for pleading any change from what was in the Apostles time but what you say that they were not to order the vinyard I say that 's false they both planted and ordered but such as sit at home do neither as they did so their plants brings forth like fruit Quer. 10. Whether the light of Christ be as sufficient to lead to God now as it was in Abrahams time and if not what must now be added to it to make it sufficient 10. Answer and Reply In stead of one Answer to this I receive two slanders that I seek to prevent his will and fight against the spirit of God in the Primitive Saints Another lye you tell of God saying God then wrought immediately but he doth not the same now To which I say the Heathen knew him not to work then immediately nor do they now and so it is denied by you as it was by them Quer. 11. Can any preach Christ who have not Christ in them and where he is is he not sole Teacher what to preach and pray and how and when and to whom and is he to be limitted by any external thing or to any external thing or is any Ordinance to be practised but what he in spirit leads the Creature to 11. Answer and Reply Your judgement is that they may preach Christ and yet not have Christ in them and so Reprobate Preachers you would set up and it is your likest way lest you should exclude your selves and all the rest of that blind generation but do such know what they preach who preach without Christ in them for say you the Traytor preached Christ as well as any other of the Apostles I say such preachers are you of and such is your fruits and you murmur at staying for the spirit and saies it bereaves you of your glorious communion of God I say what communion is that which is without the spirit what glory that is I know it s but the glory of your imaginations and so is your prayers that is without the spirit and all the rest of your worships Quer. 12. What is the ground and rise of your knowledge whether it be received within man from God or without from the letter And if without whether this be not the knowledg which all the vain janglers comes out of and the generation of persecutors comes out of as the Jews was in which professed the letter and were strangers to the life of God And whether this generation of men and professors in our age do not begin to manifest the same as the persecuting Jews did yea or nay 12. Answer and Reply In your Answer to this you say your ground of knowledge is neither within nor without and so it seems by your Answers as without foundation not spiritual because not within and you bely the Church of Ephesus in saying their faith and knowledge too was without not within And for your blessed Candles of the Gospel as you call them whom you say waste themselves that you may grow up into perfection I say they are seen to be dart lights and such as waste all about them but withstand perfection casting into prison for their gaine and envy such candles give light to all your drunkards swearers whoremongers fighters lyars covetous proud Idolaters and all manner of licentious persons such perfection is brought forth by such as follow their candles and so cal darkness light and light darkness and their works are like their candles and you blasphemers set these in stead of Christ calling them candles of the Gospel much like your selves who say the Ephesians when they beleeved their faith and knowledge was not within such dark Lanthorns you are who have not the light in you so your light and faith is without so blame them not who say you have no faith in you and so are unreasonable men 2 Thes 3. 2. and that is seen by your tumults at the Mouth And for the fire and faggot you tel on you are going toward it fighting imprisoning whipping and blood-shed The light of your Candles Quer. 13. What Scripture have you for your manner of worship as to read a Chapter and to give meanings to it and call it Expounding to take a Text of another mans words and raise Points Reasons and Uses c. to sprinkle Infants to sing Davids words in order of your Ballades to stand praying in the Synagogues at your set times before and after your glass prove your practise by command from Christ or practise of Gospel-Ministers else for shame cease to call it Gospel-worship since none of Christs Ministers worshipped in that manner 13. Answer and Reply Your Answer to this is thus much Christ preached and his Apostles and you preach Nehemiah expounded and you expound and so doth the Pope may he say but that either he or you are in that manner of preaching that Christ and his Apostles was that I deny and that you are to prove for what is not in the same manner is another worship for if Moses vvas so faithful in his house that not one tittle must be changed much more Christ so that worship which is not the same in manner though it have got the name of Worship yet that I deny to be Christs worship But to question this your manner of Worship say you is to clip the wings of God So he that will not let men set up what they will for worship and hold it unquestionable clips Gods wings so we must beleeve as the Church believes saies your Predecessor but will you call your selves Ministers of Christ and will not the same manner serve you to preach and worship in that his Ministers used but are gone out from the same in every particular and would bring the Apostles words to justifie a practise contrary to theirs which to question you call clipping of wings And whereas you say this hath been as often answered as proposed that is false for never was it answered yet nor can be till the same manner of worship be brought forth in every particular Did the Apostles or Ministers of

God 1 Thes 1. 1. Such onely are out of Babylon who are gathered out of the world by the spiritual light of Christ and there hath it been ever since his Passion and he hath never been without though but in a small number which he hath saved which the world hated and scornfully miscalled and into prisons and corners have they been driven all this time of the man of Sin and his Papal Priesthood but now he is come who is spreading his truth and multiplying his seed as a cloud to the Egyptians wherefore the Heathen rage exceedingly But it seems by thy Quere that thou ownest the Church all along since the Apostles to have been in the multitude of the Popish Priests rather then in the Martyrs seeing thou speakest so scornfully of a small number to be the Church of Christ who are so contemptible which the Church ever was and so it is at this day Luk. 12. 32. Mat. 7. 14. Mat. 20. 16. Reply answered In this you say you believe I speak truth and that I tell you here nothing but what you knew before and yet you murmure at it and cast your lyes upon it saying that we grant our selves to be none of Christs Church which who reads my answer may read what you have there to ground that lye on so though I speak what you know is truth and confess too yet it must not pass without lying and reproach but you shew your nature and for that you would go under the name of what they was that suffered I say the name will not cover you when you are as far from their nature as the sufferer from the persecuter and your Priests are Lords over us now as your fathers the Bishops was over them and whatever the dispensation is the persecuter is ever in the error though the sufferer bear the reproach and sufferings also and so it is now though the persecuter hath changed his name and form yet the same malice and work you are in Quer. 11. Whether you own the Resurrection of the body after death If not of what doth and shall Christs Kingdom consist for he can be no King without his Subjects Answ I say yea the Resurrection I own according to the Scriptures Reply answered In this you are not satisfied with a Scripture answer much less would you with mine and so puts it off with laying a slander on some namelesse man Quer. 12. Whether you acknowledge the Trinity of the Persons in the Godhead the Father the Son and the holy Ghost oue substance but three in subsistence or manner of beings Answ For the word Trinity thou mayst send it to Rome from whence it came but God the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost and that these three are one I know and acknowledge according to the Scriptures 1 Joh. 5. 7. Reply answered Your Reply to this is O subtile Deceiver c. And what is the fault because I will not own your word Trinity though I own the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost yet if I do not decline the Scripture phrase and take up the Romish I am a Deceiver and Etymologer and my pen stinks c. Well be it so such a Deceiver I shall be to own the Scripture and the sound words therein against all your Popish inventions And when you have thus railed against me because I will not own it then you accuse me for bringing it from Rome So that its a thing impossible to escape your tongues who are bent for mischief every way but it matters not seeing the reproach of the wicked is not onely safe but great riches Much more such smoak foames out at the pits mouth but not worth heeding such a Reply you may return to any Answer which is nought but bitterness and cursing and reviling so that you forget to speak to the Answer Quer. 13. Whether Jesus the Son of Mary incarnated in the flesh God-man in one person who died at Jerusalem upon the Cross rose from the death to life the third day and ascended on high into the highest heavens and sitteth on the right hand of God be the true Messiah as that you own and say is within you Answ Jesus the Son of God and Eternal Word which came down from God became flesh born of the Virgin God and Man who died at Jerusalem rose again ascended and sitteth at the right hand of the Father the true Messias which Christ we own to be within us which no carnal minde which denies his light can comprehend and Christ in you except ye be reprobates 1 Cor. 10. 4. Reply answered This you say is in some sort satisfactory but yet you say you have no faith to believe Christ within us I say I know you have not for did you believe Christ within there could not issue out all this mud and confusion uncondemned but though you cannot believe yet you can sl●nder that we are deluded but I look on it as the fruits of your unbeliefe and so pass it as not worth heeding being but a slander unproved Quer. 14. Whether the soul of man be mortal or immortal if mortal for what then did Christ Jesus suffer to purchase eternal glory and what profiteth holiness in life if immortal where then shall it abide after death since you say there is no heaven nor hell but in a mans conscience Answ The first part of this Quere I answer the soule is immortal but the latter part being made up of a lye I return it back into thy Fathers Bottle from whence it came till thou hast prov'd that ever I said there is no heaven nor hell but in a mans conscience Reply answered In this reply you call me Secret Deceipt and Lyar because I tell you of a lye you cast upon me in your Quere to wit that I say there is no heaven nor hell but in a mans conscience and because I will not bear it in silence but layes it open to be a lye therefore I am called Secret Deceipt for laying open your Secret Deceipt and now another must bear it who is not hear to answer for himselfe and so to excuse the lye you have discovered the backbiter who is shut out of the kingdom with the lyar And now Rich. Hubberthorn is named but you dare not say he ever said it least he should be neerer then you are aware to disprove you but least you should faile now you slander all our fraternity as you call it therewith which in truth is as much as to say no body for I am one but you clear me saying you cannot prove it against me so not all our fraternity so take the lye back til● you find a Father for it for with us it rests not Also take the other with it which sayes that it is usual with me to speak that in one breath which I will deny with another which when you prove I shall receive the lye till then let it rest upon the Founder For your scoffing