the Synagogue This is therefore a terrible hearing to Protestancy a Church Terribilis vt castrorum acies ordinata terrible as an army in battaile-array Now for Primitiue Christians they imply no such order no such coordination or subordination as of a body and therefore as so many scattered sheep they might wholy dye in their owne ashes not Phenix-like suruiue in their posterity which to affirme of a Church of Christ his establish't Common-wealth or kingdom purchas 't by right of Conquest with the inestimable price of his blood is not only Hereticall but most impious and prophane since neither the Synagogue and Law of Moyses became euacuate or abrogate viâ corruptiuâ by a corruptiue desition but past into a Church Euangelicall Law via perfectiuâ as Christ was the perficient not the corruptiue end of the Law Non veni legem soluere sed adimplere c. I came not to dissolue but to fulfill the Law c. Some other fallacious Euasions in answere to the same position of his Aduersary SECT XXVII IN the very next Paragraph I meete with another Fallacy which I haue also touch't before Pref. You say with conuenient boldnes that this infallible authority of your Church being denyed no man can be assured that any parcell of Scripture was written by diuine inspiration which is an Vntruth for which no proofe is pretended and besides voyd of modesty full of impiety Answ And I pray you obserue his notorious method his Censure is for the most part the preface to his Answere when he hath first struck his Aduersary on the head or wounded his reputation with some calumny or contumely then he wil dispute the matter not only cooly but very coldly as you shall see In the meane tyme since he is so liberall of contumelious and reproachfull language if we spare him it is mere gratuite grace no merit of his not so much as of congruity nay it may seeme much more congruous to shew the man his error where he may see it better then in himselfe For I belieue it will appeare to any vnderstanding man euen by the Genius of his stile that he hath drunke more liberally of Narcissus Well then of Aristotles as neere as it springs Whence I do not see but his President way be my Apology and very Charity will require that some sprinkling of salt be employed vpon his so great insulsity Now marke the Fallacy His aduersary sayth Take away the authority of Gods Church no man can be assured c. For Gods Church this Atturney changeth your Church as though his aduersary preassumed what is in question with Protestants Which he purposely doth not but only sheweth the necessity of a Visible Church and infallible authority shereof The fallacy of this change hath this intent to make his aduersary more odious for his preassuming antedating as also that he may impugne him more easily where he contends not which he doth almost euery where neuer strikes where his Aduersary wards So he seldome or neuer argues or answeres to the matter in hand But why now is this an vntruth void of modesty Because sayth he the experience of innumerable Christians is against it who are sufficiently assured that the Scripture is diuinely inspired and yet deny the infallibility of your Church or any other Answ What Euen of Gods Church For this is the authority this the Church which his aduersary namely and only asserteth And where is the immodesty Is it immodesty in a Catholique to proue the infallibility of the Church of God his Prime principle of Religion and that by an argument which this no Church can no otherwise answere but by rayling at it as with his Lucians 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 O execrable For who are those innumerable Christians Are they not the aduersaries of the Roman Church and only they And is it immodesty in a Roman Catholique to defend and proue the contrary to that which the Aduersaries of that Church would proue and do teach whereby to ouerthrow that Church and with that all Christianity But to shew him the weaknes of his argument I forme the like Innumerable Christians are sufficiently assured that no man can be assured of any parcell of holy Scripture otherwise then by the authority of the Church of God Ergo M. Ch. who denies them this assurance is voyd of all modesty And now againe why full of impiety Pref. Because sayth he if I cannot haue ground to be assured of the diuine authority of Scripture vnlesse I first belieue your Church infallible then I can haue no ground at all to belieue it Answ I expected he would say then I will be a Socinian But still you see him in his Fallacy Your Church for Gods Church And why then hath he no ground at all vpon that supposall Pref. Because there is no ground nor can any be pretended why I should belieue your Church infallible vnlesse I first belieue the Scripture diuine Answ Still Your Church Sure we shall neuer bring him back to Gods Church againe Now quite contrary I say there is no sufficient ground to omit pretences and permit them to his Hyperbolicall style why men should belieue the Scriptures diuine vnles first they belieue an infallible Church of God For to reuolue to the first birth and parentage of holy Scriptures whence haue we them who told vs they were diuine haue we not the new Testament to instance in this part from the Euangelists and Apostles And were not they the Church of God and hath any other told vs they are diuine and of diuine authority but they primarily and their posterity after them Can any man expect a more certaine testimony concerning his owne or any other mans birth then from the mother who brought him forth into the world Was not the holy Scripture cōceaued of the holy Ghost as it were in the wombe of the Church Yea those soules and spirits of Prophets Euangelists Apostles in which those Scriptures were conceaued euen formally as diuine together with the truth contained in them were they not before those Scriptures were brought to light And could any but they or vpon their credit belieue those Scriptures were of diuine yssue conceaued I say in those spirits diuinely inspired and illuminated yea and from them flowing as from a vitall principle actually and actiuely inflowing into those conceptions togeather with the holy spirit of truth Whence also it followeth euidently that those diuine truth's cannot be the formall conceptions of any soule or vnderstanding not endued and eleuated by this spirit of truth with which spirit since no man can assure himselfe to be endued yet euery Christian ought to belieue as certaine that the Church of God is indued therefore euery Christian ought to receaue those diuine truths contained in Scriptures togeather with the Scriptures themselues from the Church of God whose lawfull issue and ofspring they are Neither can this in reason seeme to a Christian any whit
derogatory from the maiesty of the diuine word to be conceaued in the spirit of man no more then it was from the Maiesty of the Sonne of God to be conceaued in the wombe of the B. Virgin Mary and that as there the Eternall Word was inuested with humane flesh so heere in these spirits of men as in the wombe of the Church the Word of God sowne by the holy Ghost should be inuested with humane notion and brought forth to light of the world in the guise of humane speach and voyce In which sense we may interprete that testimony of the holy Baptist Ego vox clamantis I am the voyce of the cryer as his voyce was the inuesture of that Word of the holy Ghost crying in the desert by which it was conueyed to the eares of mortall men so is the voyce and declaration of the Church the meanes by which the Word of God and all Truth contained in it is conueyed to our soules and vnderstandings And as that cry of the Holy Ghost was first conceaued in the spirit of the Baptist then vttered by his voyce to the world so these Scriptures were first conceaued in the Church those Apostolicall spirits in which they were first imprinted and inuested if I may so speak by the operation and Energy of that fire which appeared in tongues afterwards vttered vpon due occasions in words and writings As therefore those of that tyme heard the voyce of that cryer in the desart from the mouth of the Baptist so all Christians heare and must heare the word of God and diuine truth by the mouth of the Church Well then what this man so confidently auerreth that there is no ground yea that no ground can be pretended why we should hold Gods Church for so he must say if he say any thing against what his Aduersary sayes infallible vnles we first belieue the Scripture diuine I as confidently deny And for as much as respects priority or antecedency of beliefe since the Scripture as I haue said is no other word but what the Church hath and daily doth vtter vnto vs whether historicall or dogmaticall or howsoeuer first conceaued in the vnderstanding and spirit of the Church it followeth that as we haue receaued it vpon her credit telling and teaching vs that it is diuine so we must à Priori belieue the Church as infallible witnes or reporter before we can belieue the infallibility of Scripture which she reporteth it followeth also that we must belieue the Church interpreting the Scripture for it is incredible that any other man should better vnderstand what I speake according as I haue conceaued or what I meane by the words I speake then I my selfe the speaker who only intend to vtter my conceipt It followeth yet further that although there were no Scripture and these Christian Verities had descended to vs only by Tradition and by the testimony of former ages transmitting them successiuely from Christ to this present age we should be bound to belieue the Church that is that continued succession of men belieuing those Christian Verities vnles we will say there was no obligation vpon men to belieue in God and to worship him according to that beliefe before the tyme of Moyses before the Scriptures were For was not Circumcision obligatory before Moyses and was not the posterity of Abraham obliged to belieue and practise that tradition as of diuine authority of which our Sauiour sayth Moyses dedit rebis Circumcisionem non quia ex Moyse est sed ex Patribus He will say You proue the Church infallible by Scriptures your Scriptures must be first belieued infallible I answer we proue this out of Scriptures against such as professe to belieue Scriptures not the Church as out of their owne principles it followeth not thence that we first belieue the Scripturs diuine or infallible For though in methode of confuting such Aduersaries we begin with the Scriptures yet in the methode of belieuing we begin from the Church vpon whose credit we belieue the Scriptures to be diuine and according to this method commencing from the Church Christian fayth was first propagated among nations and imbraced by Heathens Nor will it be to the purpose to reply that Heathens were induced to belieue by reason of miracles This I say is not to the purpose how the Church gained this credit but hence it is inferred that in regard of Christian Beliefe the Church had the Precedency before Scriptures that is the Church was belieued before the Scriptures were belieued Wherefore to conclude this point if it be impiety not to belieue Scriptures as no doubt it is yet it is an impiety no way deducible from this doctrine that the beliefe of an infallible Church is precedent to the beliefe of Scriptures But it is not hard to conceaue by the very carriage of the busines as he handles it what he driues at in all this discourse which is indeed to euacuate all authority both of Church and Scriptures and vpon the ruines of both to build the Godles Socinianisme Therefore all inferences which may seeme any way to perplexe Christian doctrine or force it into straits are his aduantages It was the prudent industry of the Roman Consull to prouoke Catiline whose secret practises and designes vpon the Common-Wealth he had vnderstood into open warre and rebeilion for he supposed no Cittizen would then appeare in his defence or make the oppression of a Tyrant his quarrell As no man would approue the fyering of the house wherein himselfe were or wracking the shippe wherein he sayled himselfe I suppose likewise if this pretended Champion for Protestancy were once discouered and strip't to the naked truth of what he is indeed that is as I haue said a very Socinian Mole vnderworking euen Protestancy it selfe and all Religion no Protestant who hath any zeale of the Religion he professeth would euer be seene in his patronage nor willingly I thinke in his company nor would he vouchsafe the ordinary greeting or salutation as good-morrow Ep. 2. Joan. to him who acknowledgeth neither day nor morning of Christian religion or God saue you to him who doubts whether there be any such thing as God Saluation nor would they thinke him fit to conuerse among Christians who hath disputed himselfe out of all termes of Christian commerce and conuersation His Calumny concerning Protestants reputed Atheists c. by Catholiques SECT XXVIII Pref. YOu say fifthly and lastly sayth this Aduocate with confidence in abundance that none can deny the infallible authority of your Church but he must abandone all infused fayth and true religion if he de but vnderstand himselfe Answ This Aduocate himselfe is no small part of proof of the truth of this Hypothetique who since he hath relaps't from this doctrine of infallible authority of the Church hath withall disclaimed all infused fayth as his Aduersary hath charged him vpon information more then credible wherin that is in abandoning both I confesse
such fayth besides the necessity of it cannot possibly mooue any scorne to religion Pref. but is rather most fit and congruous to beget a more honourable conceipt due Veneration of diuine mysteries in faythfull soules For those other who out of an excesse of an Hyperbolicall Pride will seeme to scorne whatsoeuer stand's without their sphere or because they are not will suppose there are no Eagles we can expect no lesse from them For this indeed is that verbum crucis pereuntibus stultitia that word of the crosse folly and matter of scorne to those who perish 1. Cor. 1. ijs autem qui salui fiunt id est nobis sayth S. Paul virtus Dei but to them that are saued that is to vs it is the Power of God And he who tell 's them which this Aduocate takes so hainously that he makes it some part of his Apology for Atheisme that they were as good not belieue at all as belieue with a lower degres of fayth Pref. meaning human fayth only sayth no more but true that humane fayth can neuer aspire to the purchase of supernatur all hopes that therefore in regard of euerlasting Saluation if it grow no higher it becomes fruitles and lost labour As if a generall pardon were proclaimed for all such who should make their personall appearance in such a Court or Pallace before the king vpon such a day or within such a space of tyme a man should say it were as good stay at home as to goe to the Court only and neuer enter or appeare in presence of the king because the pardon was granted to such personall appearance made not to such a iourney made for so likewise Saluation and pardon of sinnes is proclaimed and promised to such a fayth as should enter those adita those sacraries or treasuries of diuine hopes not to such as cannot and will not enter but stand without S. Leo Serm. 7. de Nat. in the mist of humane reasons or in the smoke of worldly wisedom vnable to ascend into that presence of Maiesty And yet there forsooth will they stand by this Aduocat's aduise nor goe one foot further or higher then they can see the way in that mist and will yet I thinke contest with diuine Wisedome yea and quarrell too if he vouchsafe not to come downe a degree lower and pardon them vpon equall termes or shew them some conuincing reason why it should be necessary to clymbe vp those staires of diuine fayth or why they should not sufficiently deserue pardon by taking so much paines in comming as farre as they could vpon the plaine and eauen ground of reason and why his Maiesty should annexe vnto his pardon such impossible and contradictory conditions as to require a voluntary and certaine assent to things in humane reason impossible that many moderate and considering men who would otherwise come readily and sue forth their pardons according to his Proclamation hearing of these conditions fly backe and belieue that there is either no such pardon to be expected and that this is but some forged Proclamation or that surely it is or should be granted vpon reasonable termes and such conditions as may sute with mens abilities that conditions of this impossible and contradictory nature are likely to make considering men scorne all pardons and all religion So they with their lower degree of fayth where I leaue them disputing with God at the foot of the staires proceed For thus is followeth The Church compared with Scripture SECT XIII Pref. LAstly I should desire you to consder whether your pretence that there is no good ground to belieue Scripture but your Churches infallibility ioyned with your pretending no ground for this but some text's of Scripture be not a faire way to make them that vnderstand themselues belieue neither Church nor Scripture Answ This Cauill or Calumny we might retort as he is wont almost totidem verbis as thus Whether their pretence that there is no good ground or rule whereby to determine what is truth in doctrine of fayth but Scripture ioyned with their pretending no ground for this but some text's of Scriptures togeather with euery mans naturall reason interpreting it which is as errant a guide and diuerse as the head 's of men be not a faire way to make men that vnderstand themselues belieue neither their doctrine nor their Scripture But what is this to him who cares not how his argument reflects vpon himselfe so it wound the Catholique who will be content like another Samson or Eleazar to be crush't to death vnder the ruine of his Aduersaries Trahere cùm pereas inuat he is cōtent that the ship be shot through and through wherein he sayles with the Catholique nay this would be his glory Solus nequis occidere nobiscum potes But what if we be deceaued all this while What if he be not the man Achylles himselfe but a Patroclus in his guise and fighting in his armour while he with his Socinian Myrmidons stands aloofe out of shot or if he fight and fall with Protestancy he will reuiue and reuenge himselfe in Socinianisme What I say if all this arguing for Protestancy against the Catholique be nothing else but a cunning vndermining to blow vp both Or what if this Switzer in religion fight only for pay To day for Holland to morrow perhaps for Spaine but if the warre and seruice grow hoat he willl serue neither he wil returne home and sleepe safe in the new Academy and in a whole skin Notwithstanding because this arrow howsoeuer flying from hart or hand only for Religion or for Pay being shot against a rock not entring there may chance to glance and wound some stander by who is neither rock nor rocky it will not be amisse to fore-arme such by fore-warning them It is false then which he presumeth Gratis that we pretend no other ground for the infallibility of the Church but some texts of Scriptures nor is our doctrine so incoherent to it selfe but as before and without Scripture the Church could truly say Visum est spiritui sancto nobis it hath seemed good to the holy Ghost and to vs So if no Scriptures were now the same Church guided by the same holy Ghost might truly say Visum est spiritui sancte nobis yea and this very doctrine that the same holy Ghost Spirit of truth speakes in the Church we are taught not only by this and those other texts of holy Scripture but à priori by the Church vpon whose credit and testimony we receaue this Scripture For thus I vrge Where was this Scripture where the whole Ghospell before it was written Was it not first in the Church in the soules and spirits of the Apostles and disciples of Christ wherin they were written by the fingar of the holy Ghost nay the presence of the holy Ghost sayth S. Austin was that Scripture or Scriptures written in their harts De spir
a dwarf Thus much for the Pamphlet Preface I came sayth he with such a mind to the reading of it Charity Maintayned as S. Austin before he was a setled Catholique brought to his conference with Faustus the Manichee Answere He could not compare himselfe amisse with any thing vnsettled Neither in my iudgment could he stand by S. Austin in comparison with any decorum otherwise then as inuested with this formality not setled Pref. For as he thought that if any thing more then ordinary might be said in defence of the Manichean doctrine Faustus was the man from whome it was to be expected so my persuasion concerning you was si Pergama dextrâ Defendi possunt certè hac defensa videbo Ans And why so behold his Rhetorique in his witty gradation Pref. For I conceaued that among the Champions of the Roman Church the English in reason must be the best or equall to the best as being by most expert maisters trained vp purposely for this warre and perpetually practised in it Ans Now Syr if you withdraw this base or corner stone will not all this imaginary structure of discourse this aëry conceit fall flat to the ground I deny then then in reason the English must be the best or equall to the best their training-maisters are the same their practise for this war that is disputes of Controuersy concerning fayth lesse then others haue For the Catholique cause hath the same Aduersaries in some other Countries and those very many and as the opinion of most men is more able Champions for Protestancy then the English with these the encounters of Catholiques of those Countries are more frequent more publique because more secure and free all which considerations make this first Assumpt Fundamentall conceipt incredible Secondly that purposely and perpetually practised if I deny how will he proue it which the Roman Orator accountes great weaknes of discourse to bring in for proofe that which is either confuted or silenced with a Nego a direct deniall Pref. Among the English I saw the Iesuits would yield the first place to none Ans I deny that he saw this or if he did it was a false vision he saw it with eyes of a deluded imagination not of true Iudgment well he deserues to be numbred with those for ought I see of whom the Prophet Ierem. Thren 2. Prophetae tui viderunt tibi falsa stulta thy Prophets haue seene false foolish things Concerning the viderunt tibi assumptiones falsas this is one of the number of false Assumpts which this Prophet saw that the Iesuits would yield the first place to none Pref. And men so wise in their generation as the Iesuites are if they had any Achilles among them I presum'd would make choyse of him for this seruice Answ In which wordes as likewise in the former though I find but little salt yet I discouer not a little gall he would haue you take notice of the Iesuites arrogancy and their presumed or pretended wisedome Now a man would wonder how he became so inwardly acquainted with the Iesuites Sure this man is not he of whom t' is said Sapientis oculi in capite su◠a wisemans eyes are in his owne head but his eyes seeme to dwell in other mens hartes where they are so busy that they are blind at home And would any man thinke that this man was neuer Catholique aboue two months at once who knowes the Iesuites so well or is this some end of an old song which he singes by rote and thinkes not what he singes Or how knowes he the Iesuites conceaued any such difficulty in answering D. P. that some Achilles was to be sought forth to encounter him Was he such a Hector O but haue patience to ascend step by step to the top of this gradation there shall you find M. C. himselfe enthroned in the cloudes for if with so much adoe an Achylles were to be found for such a Hector who shall be the man that after much enquiry shall be supposed an equall match at least for this Achylles Now what Don Q is this who hauing raised an imaginary Castle in the ayre will goe fight against it himselfe and batter it or become another Paris in conceit shoot at his aëry Achylles hit him in the heele and if his hart be there kill him But see I pray you see him building his castle and fortifying it with strong assistants and how he backs his Achylles with his many bandes of Myrmidons before he will vouchsafe to encounter him Pref. I had good assurance that in framing this building though you were the only architect yet you wanted not many diligent handes to bring you in choyce materialls towardes it nor of many carefull and watchfull eyes to correct the errors of your worke Answ If he had indeed so many watchfull eyes employed in correcting his errors the more happy he and he this Aduocate the more vnhappy who of so many eyes as surueyed his worke had not one Watchfull as may appeare by the innumerable errors which haue escaped their corrections that a man would wonder what Mercury had pip't them all a sleeep But what of all this Marry that which followes out of this presumption or preimagination of such a castle or such an Achylles with his so many bandes of Myrmidones and watchfull eyes comming against him he had great reason to expect the vtmost that could be done or said in defence of the Roman Pref. And to assure himselfe that if his resolution not to belieue it were not built vpon the rocke of euident grounds and reasons c. now the wynd and stormes and floodes were comming which would vndoubtedly ouerthrow it Ans Note his Rhetoricall and graue exaggeration that no small matter not wind alone nor wind and stormes no not wyndes and stormes and floodes could be able to ouerthrow this rocke of Resolution M. Ch. Now if you would say notwithstanding all this this rocke of resolution hath beene shaken at the least and that againe and againe and againe and againe for euery wynd once or perhaps as many times as there are collaterall wyndes too or stormes and tydes in the yeare for if he be the man he is thought to be a new Academique or so he may alter his resolution as often as he list so he follow only what seemes more probable for the time the day the hower c. O but now his Resolution if become rocke neither is this so incredible a thing but that an Academique in Religion may belieue it as verily as he belieues any point of Christian Fayth For both Pliny and other good authors tell vs of some certaine thinges of a soft and fluide nature which in tyme yea and often on a suddaine become hard yea very stone rock which for the greater confirmation you shall heare out of Ouides Metamorphosis who had he liued till now might haue added this rocke of Resolution to the number of his
changes Victa racemifero Lyncas dedit India Baccho E quibus vt memorant quicquid vesica remittit Vertitur in lapides congelat aēre tacto I pray good after so much rocking and reeling he be not rock't a sleep become as deafe as a rocke nor by any wynd or storme of diuine threats or floods of reasons and persuasions any whit more moueable towards Religion Quà m si dura silex aut stet Marpesia cautes So that now to question his constancy of resolution in this kind were to question the constancy of the Moone which changeth so constantly euery moneth Notwithstanding I would haue you to take notice of the constancy of his discourse and how easily he falles of from his rocke within three lynes I know he may do so and yet be constant and true inough to his new Academiques for hauing immediatly before professed his rocky resolution vpon euident reasons not to belieue the Roman Doctrine he adioynes forthwith Pref. Neither truly were you more willing to effect such an alteration in me then I was to haue it effected Answ How standes this rocke of resolution vpon euident groundes not to belieue that is not to be altered with willingnes yea so much willingnes to be altered especially that euidence supposed by him to be such as no wynd c. no force of reason or persuasion could ouerthrow Vnles in saying his Aduersary was not more willing to effect such an alteration then himselfe to haue it effected he thought perhaps that his aduersary had no will at all to effect any such alteration as of one so often altered already that to alter him againe would not quit the cost conceauing that after another alteration he would be still more easy to be altered then euer to be setled who goes about to settle the wynd or fasten it to any one corner of the world or any thing else gouerned by the wyndes windmils or weather rocks or the like Pref. Yet because he makes shew of some desire to goe the right way to eternall happines though whether this way lye on the right hand or the left or straight forward to him it is indifferent Answ I will tell him my opinion which is that his way lyes neither on the left hand nor the right nor straight forward no nor backward though this last was not well omitted by him in his distribution as lying nearest to the right way but rather indeed straight downward as if you would settle a wether-cock in one constant positure the readiest way wil be to take it downe and place it on the ground This was the way S. Paul was put into though his alteration by the way is no Apology for this Atturneyes so often iterated reiterated alterations he changed with the change of the whole world Ecce ego noua facio omnia in Christo neque praputium neque circumcisio est aliquid sed nona creatura and t' was his fault he changed no sooner nor was it yet indeed a change For who will say he is changed who conuertes with him who is neuer changed in quo non est mutatio nec vicissitudinis adumbratio But this way Act. 9. I say was downeward Cadens in terram audiuit vocem c. Falling flat vpon the proued lying now eauen with himselfe that is with dust earth and nothing there he hard the voyce of his direction which eauenesse of place and center of truth he euer after kept both in life and doctrine qui existimat se aliquid esse cum nihil sit ipse se seducit he who thinks he is something being indeed nothing he beguiles himselfe At what tyme also he became blind that he might see For he was rather indeed shew'n then made blind he regained his sight by the imposition of handes of Ananias without further dispute who if he would haue disputed with him he could haue done it and remained blind still with a resolution built vpon a rocke of more euident groundes then any M. Aduocate hath to build vpon He would if he had beene of his humor haue questioned the credit of all those visions as being perhaps he would say illusions or at the least not infallibly true and then what could flow from those Principles more strong and infallible then the Principles themselues And suppose they were of infallible authority well then he was to persequute no more or if he were to be a Christian too yet why was Baptisme necessary why Circumcision not sufficient why such a Christian as Peter or Iohn See would he say how many Syllogismes you are short of the Conclusion you would infer Thus might he haue vanish't away 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in his disputes and haue proued rather a Vessel of Contention then Election And yet after all might haue returned with this or the like glory that he was now more confirmed in his beliefe of Iudaisme then euer or with somwhat like to this Ego exprobraui agminibus Israël hodie date mihi virum vt ineat mecum singulare certamen I haue braued the hostes of Israël this day challenging the best man among then to single combat of dispute with me I haue heard of some such Braues of the new Academy who had little cause of any such glory and who haue found their match more then once but they are so wise as to make their Aduersaries silence or secrecy their aduantage And yet I verily thinke you need not goe far to match this Goliath this Pythagorique Transmigration do but match him with himselfe if he fight not with himselfe yea if be not to hard for himselfe almost in euery page in some oftner then once or twice I dare be bound to answere the forfait As euen namely in this place hauing boasted his resolution built vpon a rock not to belieue the Roman Doctrine very soone after he professeth he retaines a Trauailer's indifference which way of religion to take of so many way 's as are now in the world When will this indifferent Trauailer come to his iourneys end who is not yet resolued of his way nor know's yet whether he be in it or no Yea and if he proue true to his principles will alwayes be thus indifferent So that if he haue gone twenty miles to day on the left hand of truth he wil goe to morrow as many on the right if he meete with a more apparent or howsoeuer more preuailing reason which may be nothing else perhaps but a better friend or some greater commodity or the like The third day you shall haue him gone as far a third way the fourth a fourth way and so forth and a thousand to one after many yeares you shall find him very litle aduanced in his way Inue Academiâ vmbriferâ nitidoue Lyceo In some Colledge-groue or Cloyster there you shall haue my indifferent Trauailer disputing of Religion 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 But where is now that inuincible Resolution Was it only a
negatiue Resolution not to belieue the Catholique doctrine And hath that of all others deserued so ill of him Indeed he lost his fellowship by it but I presume the Catholique would haue giuen him a better had he but held out his yeares probation Yet now it seeme's he is resolued vpon euident grounds to be an indifferent Trauailer to all other Professions but neuer to belieue himselfe againe whatsoeuer he can obiect for the Catholique No he hath belieued himselfe that way twice already and hath deceaued himselfe therefore now he will neuer more dispute that question with himselfe againe but with this resolution before hand either to confute or not to belieue himselfe But to returne to that expected Achylles which this Aduocate had fancied Electum ex millibus the choyce Champion of thousand 's what becomes of him Marry this which we may suppose to haue beene the drift of this Chymerique discourse he hath met with this Aduocate a stronger Giant then he who hath despoyled him of all his confidence shew'n him his weakenes Pref. True some snares he found and colour's which might deceaue the simple but nothing that might persuade and very litle that might moue an vnderstanding man and one that can discerne betwixt Discourse and Sophistry Answ Now to shew this weaknes in his aduersary is indeed to vanquish him and himselfe must need 's be supposed this Vnderstanding-man who hath discouered it so that he hath made his aduersary an Achylles to great purpose to make himselfe a greater Achylles in defeating him Which successe that he nothing doubted heare his words Pref. In short I was verily persuaded that I plainly saw and could make it appeare to all dispassionate and vnpreiudicate Iudges that a veyne of Sophistry and Calumny did runne cleane through his booke from the beginning to the end Answ Now Syr if this charge be true which euen a passionate man if not wholy blinded with passion will presently discerne to be most false then is this very obiecting of a throughout continued Calumny and Sophistry a Gigantique victory indeed but the point is yet to proue And yet I will not vrge vpon him this way but for once will do him the curtesy my selfe to proue euidently that what he sayth is true For his answere as being indeed a very myne of Sophistry and Calumny as it shall manifestly appeare and by this ioynt-Edition running through his aduersaries booke it will easily follow by true consequence that a veine of Sophisty and Calumny runneth cleane through the said his Aduersaries booke from the beginning to the end ¶ And this is the busines I vndertooke deare Syr whereby to satisfy your request concerning my iudgment which shall appeare in actu exercito by what I shall note vnto you out of my obseruation in these two kinds especially of Sophistry and Calumny for to follow him a long in his quoted authorities of Bookes as I could not do it hauing neither those bookes at hand nor opportunity to procure them so I make no doubt but it will be fully donne by a better Champion though no Achylles neither but one I dare say who might seeme a dwarf standing by this Giant if selfe-conceipts might passe for true presumptions Calumnies and Sophistries of M. Ch. gathered out of his two Answers And first out of his answere to the Direction giuen him by the Maintayner of Charity SECTION I. AS among men Soph. Elench c. 1. sayth Aristotle some are of a healthfull complexion and constitution some are not but seeme to be so and of mettalls some are true gold or siluer others may haue the likenes and lustre of either but yet are neither so of rational Discourses some are indeed and really true discourses some are only apparently such Now sayth he because to some men it is more gainfull and aduantagious to seeme wise and knowing then to be and not to seeme therefore such men make choyce rather to seeme to do like wise and skilfull men then to doe it only and not seeme to do it The Sophister is such an one one who trade in false coynes of Discourse or seeming knowledge 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Because the returne indeed iâ— quicker then in true gold of lawfull argument's and it is easier to deceaue the most part of men by fallacious inferences then to conuince vnderstanding men by true Conclusions The end and scope of Sophisme Soph. c. 3. is Victory intimated by the Philosopher in that word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ambitious of Victory and a further end of this victory is some desired purchase as of riches honour or the like which are purchased thus at the cheapest rate as that which is bought with copper or the like counterfait trash comes cheaper to a man then what he buy 's with current gold For this cause therefore the Sophist serueth himselfe of such fallacious and adulterate formes of discoursing which hauing only the false face of true Syllogismes are indeed meere Sophismes and Paralogismes I haue no mind to introduce in this place an odious comparison between these two the Author of this answer with his Antagonist yet they who know them both will be able I thinke to make some probable coniecture to whether of the two this character of a Sophister 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a trader or dealer in or for commodities may seeme the more proper to him who hath solemnely renounc't and diuorc't all trafficke with the world not only by profession but by a total and actual dispossession or to him who hauing added to the inclination of corrupt nature the poyse and sway of a bad repentance is fallen back vpon the world with a greater swing who conuerseth daily with trade and trafficke seeking to improue his fortunes by all the thriuing wayes he can Therefore so often and so lowdly to declaime against his Aduersaries Sophistry and Calumny I cannot imagine impudence inough in him to do it but an exigence raâ—her necessity to remoue from himselfe by his pretended dislike and detestation of these vices all opinion of them to withdraw mens eyes from beholding them in himselfe where they are most palpably to be seene and to deriue the iust hatred of them vpon his Aduersarie 1. Callumny and Sophisme So while he most proclaimeth his aduersaries sophistry euen then in that he imployeth his maister peece of a most sophisticall Calumny which I note as his primitiue and original Sophisme Calumny running throughout his whole Worke from the beginning to the end as shall appeare by the sequele of particulars But withall I am to premonish you Syr that you are not to expect to find all these fallacies within the number of Arisâ—â—tle's who were he now aliue and would vndertake to reduce them to those formes of Sophismes described and obserued by him and he was a man of no small obseruation in this kind had inherited the obseruations of many others I am verily persuaded he would haue found
condemned Heretiques endeauoured not sufficiently by all other meanes within the compasse of their abilities Pope Councell and Church excepted to find out the true sense of the Scripture or to belieue it in the true sense Remot For he that belieues the Scripture syncerely and endeauours to belieue it in the true sense cannot possibly be an Heretique Promot Who shall now be able to iudge or condemne any Heretique After what manner shall he frame his inditement Who shall be able to conuince a sincere Professour him or her who professeth sufficiently his endeauour to belieue Scripture in the true sense by his most daily versing and conuersing with it his most punctuall citation of Booke Chapter and Verse who will hardly exchange an ordinary salutation but in the Scripture-phrase who I say shall be able to conuince his want of endeauour to belieue the Scripture in the true sense especially being required to belieue that only and no man liuing nor nothing else who can condemne him for an Heretique whatsoeuer he belieue or belieue not Tell me Aduocate is this the way whereby to meet in that one Rendeuous Ephes 4. of which S. Paul Denes occuramus omnes in vnitatem fidei these as many seuerall beliefes as seuerall or diuerse or contrary vnderstandings of the Scriptures these so many wayes some on the left some on the right hand some forward some quite backward besides a thousand subdiuisious of so many seuerall wayes of doctrines and interpretations Where fall they into one way Yes you poynt me out the very place where after many wyndings and Meanders they fall as riuers into one Sea that is the Scripture endeauoured to be belieued in the true sense But good Syr Scripture in all those senses is not Scripture is not the word of God nether doth any mans endeauour to belieue it in the true sense make it the word of God as it is vnderstood in a false But it is the word of God you will say perhaps to them who conceaue it so But so might Baal and Astaroth and Ieroboams Calues be Gods to those who belieued they were so there is no Idolatry at all And certainely as well no Idolatry as no Heresy and heresy it selfe is a spirituall Idolatry So euery falshood as belieued to be reueald by God and warranted by holy Scripture is an I doll of the Vnderstanding and an I doll as such is nothing S. Paul hath no reall subsistence is a meere fancy or Chymera What an vnity then of faith will this be consisting of so many diuisioÌ„s what a strange harmony composed of so many iarring discord's may not a man dreame as good a Faith and as good an vnity of religion as this is Cuius velut agri somnia vana Finguntur species ut nec pes nec caput rui Reddatur forma Furthermore it is manifest that such an vnity of fayth cannot stand with trne Vnity of Charity For euen naturally affections of the will follow in proportion of sympathy the iudgments dict a mens of the Vnderstanding So dissention of iudgments hath euer beene and is and will be the seed and parent of inter-warring and hostile affections as betweene the Lutherans and Caluinists Moreouer Charity is candida and rubicunda of a light and fiery constitution Ignem veni mittere in mundum and sent it was in fiery Tongues Now Candor and Heat are so natur'd and tempered according to physiology and experience it selfe that they seuer and disiect and dissolue Heterogenious copulations which darke cold amasseth togeather So diuine Charity where it groweth from the root of vnited faith dissolueth not onely contradictory doctrines in points of Faith with which it cannot consist on both sides and that by an instantaneous mutation as the sun-shine dispels darknes in a moment but more and more as it increaseth attoneth differences of lesse consequence as interposed cloudes impeaching greater heat and radiancy of Charity Remot And if no more then this were required of a man to make him capable of the Churches Communion then all men so qualified though they were different in opinion yet notwithstanding any such difference must be of necessity one in Communion Prom. Loe you the Man who I foresaw would do meruailes and is not this a compelle intrare strangely interpreted A great busines hath beene made in requiry after lost-sheep such as had strayed from the flock of Christ such as our Forefathers haue alwayes supposed Heretiques to be so much a do so much wearines in labouring their reduction so frequent and earnest prayer and pealing heauen with sighes and groanes of a Christian zeale and Charity so much fasting and voluntary maceration directed to that end so many hazardous expeditions aduentures in this spirituall quest of such as haue attempted their recouery to the very losse of their bloud and liues Now all this is proclaimed folly and lost labour our Forefathers silly Babes and sonnes of Ignorance compared with a late borne Doctour dropt out of the skies God know's how to fetch back those lost sheep though neuer so far stragling a sunder neuer so opposite and oppugnant and euen whether they will or no to make them of necessity of one Communion and one Church Nay wheresoeuer they be neuer so far from the fold yet they must be within it of necessity he hath found a meanes to incircle them with an Ocean with an Amphitrite of Scripture yea to ingird them with the very strings of a Geneua-Bible Nor will he fetch in those aboue ground only he will rake Hell to find them out and bring them into his Churches Communion euen maugre Hell and maugre themselues were it not only to be out of Hell for the tyme. For what saist thou Arius Hadst thou not Scriptures for for thy opinion Yes and did'st thou not endeauour to belieue them in the true sense Yes Come thou art a good Christian thou must be one in our Communion thou hast beene iniured furto sublatus es è terrâ Hebraeorum Gen. 4. hic innocent in lacum missus es the Papists eiected thee by a preuailing faction and now hither they haue sent thee to be the Diuels Prisoner And thou Donatus thou could'st not abide the Pope no more then I. What saist thou didst thou belieue the Scriptures Yes and didst thou not endeauour to belieue them in the true sense Yes And had'st thou not Scripture for thy doctrine Yes very good Scripture Iudica mihi c. vbi pascas vbi cubes in meridie by this Scripture and by the eleuation of the Pole and the meridian line I belieued the Church could not but be in Africk and if in Africk then surely in parte Douati I promise you a very good Christian you haue both Scripture and right reason grounded vpon Scripture and your deduction is according to the neuer-failing-rules of Logique at least you thought so did you not Yes M. Aduocate And that thought or iudgement of yours was neuer coÌ„uinc't with any argument which in your iudgment was vnanswerable No I was neuer so silenc't but I had something to say So you remained still vnconuinc't To my dying day Syr. Good Syr neither do I go about to conuince you you are as good a Christian as I am for ought I know Let me alone with the Papists I le presume to re-enter and re-enrole you in Communion of Christians let them do what they can you shal be postliminie restitutus I le breake a hole in the Church wall bring you in that way if the worst come to the worst and if the Papists will be vnreasonably obstinate you shall be one of our New Academy and geere all Religions Pardon me M. Aduocate if I seeme to personate you in this Dialogue if I make bold to entertaine you in the behalf of those anciently styled Heretiques your Charity as widely extending I suppose as your faith hath created in me a iust Presumption that you will reiect no Clyent so qualified as your selfe haue described Within the limit's and precincts of which description I verily thinke there neuer was so very a Terrae filius so very a Giant of so ignoble and obscure extraction no man euer so out-law'd or bandited out of all Christian Communion of all those fore-damned Heretiques but he could make it appeare that he had liued and dyed and consequently a Diocesian of your Church But euen these are too narrow marches for your Charity it will extend it selfe yet further Turkes Iewes Infidels and Heathens too so they belieue a God as shall appeare hereafter all which no doubt you will oblige vnto you no lesse then him or those who gaue you thanks for shewing them a way to heauen without Faith THvs farre I haue play'd the Promooter if any man will take this occasion to call me so but then let him remember that I am his Promooter whom we may suppose to haue beene the first Moouer in these Motiues which as all moouing Verities may truely say in ipso viuimus mouemur sumus Act. 17. Then let him who list call me Gods Promooter Iglory in this name I professe it nor will I be ashamed of my Profession Thus euen the Apostles as they were his 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his cooperators or coadiutors so they were Gods Promooters Nâ—me autem vestrum patiatur quasi homicida 1. Pet. 4. aut fur aut maleficus aut alienorum explorator 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I thinke we may interprete it an Informer Let no man suffer himselfe deseruedly to be called such a Promooter si autem vt Christianus non crubescat if as a Christian Promooter let him heare it without blushing For this is our confort as dayly as the crime 2. Cor. 6. vt Seductores Veraces This by way of Preuention FINIS Gentle Reader THE faults which haue escaped in printing by reason of the vncorrected copy and imploying of strangers not skillfull in our language I hope are not very many nor yet such as may not easily be corrected by thy iudicious Reading