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A51484 A peaceable method for the re-uniting Protestants and Catholicks in matters of faith principally in the subject of the Holy Eucharist : proceeding upon principles agreed-on and waving points in dispute : upon occasion of the late conceit concerning the perpetuity of faith touching that great mystery / written in French by Lewis Mainbourg. Maimbourg, Louis, 1610-1686.; T. W. 1672 (1672) Wing M293; ESTC R26797 72,644 198

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have a Rule and a Law which he is to follow in giving Judgement that his Sentence may be just and secure This Rule is the Word of God which rightly applyed renders Judgement highly equitable Now the Synod of Dort acknowledges that an Assembly of lawful Pastors representing the Body of the true Church is this Judge to whom it appertains to judge of the true sence of the Word of God and afterwards to resolve according to this Rule any cause depending 12. I do now earnestly beseech our Brethren of the Reformed Churches to reflect seriously upon these two Propositions I am now about to make The first is That as the Word of God is infallible in it self so certainly the Judgement of him who truely judges according to this Rule is also Infallible and consequently they are obliged to believe that the Church when she Judges according to this Rule or the Word of God does not onely not err but that she also cannot err The second is that they are bound as well as we to believe that the Church of God deciding controversies of Faith does judge according to the true sence of the Word of God because upon the matter it is concerning this very sence that she gives Judgement between the Parties who give it a different sence and who are oblig● in Conscience to submit to her Judgement under pain of being Schismaticks and Hereticks as their Synod of Dort has positively declared From hence follows by necessary consequence according to their own Principles that they are bound to believe with us that the True Church of Jesus Christ is infallible in the Judgement she judicially pronounces touching matters of Faith 13. I think there can now be no 〈◊〉 but they are obliged according to their own grounds to acknowledge the infallibility of the Church of Christ But I am contented for the present not to press them so far nor to make use of that right which I might justly challange It is sufficient that the Synod which in these Gentlemens opinion represents the True Church is lawful judge in this case as the Synod is self declares obliging them in Confidence to adhere to and obey the Decisions made therein It is not then lawful for them who are of that Church and are at Difference amongst themselves to condeman the Synod of Error then judgement ●s given in order to the clearing Points of Faith confessed among them They have no power to frame a different Judgement from that of the Synod and adhering to it to sepor●are themselves from communion with the rest They are bound to acknowledge the Authority of the Synod which is lawfull Judge and submit unto it believing that what is there desined 〈◊〉 Truth it self stand this without any necessity of entring upon the question of its Infallibility I demand nothing more for the prese●s I will content my 〈◊〉 with what themselves do grant That Church of which the Partins Contesting are members be she fallible or infallible has full Power to Debide differentes and 〈…〉 oblige under the pen●ry of being Schismaticks And now having as I make my self believe give Monsient Claude all the satisfaction he can in 〈◊〉 require concerning this Point I 〈◊〉 on my course perceably and quietly and make bold to give him notice that 14. Here is that the Prescription that 〈◊〉 Point an●●oisputable P●●ciple to which a receisary adhfione required when there arise Disputes between Parties for the discovering whether an Opinion be or be not contrary to the true Rule of Faith which is the Word of God and whether we stand bound to believe it as a Point of Faith Were it antecedently distinctly believed as such or no. Disputation will only serve to render the Debate eternal Both Parties will go on challenging the true sence of Scripture and Tradiuon on their sides Books shall be written without number for the asserting of it and that without any hopes or appearance of any end of these learned indeed but redious Contests which prove many times so intricate and confused that every one standing his ground and being strongly and willfully resolved not to yield reproaches his Adversary with affected Obstinacy against known Truth We must then make up to that unquestionable Point in which both Parties meet and which Tertullian so boldly establishes as the principal Rule or Prescription for the ending all differences which may arise about the agreeing or conformity with the Word of God which every one is so ready to challenge to himself This Learned Father having said in his twentieth Chapter A quibus traducem fidei semina doctrinae caeterae deinde Ecclesiae mutuatae sunt quotidie mutuontur ut Ecclesiae fiant Ataque tot ac tantae Ecclesiae una est illa ab Apostolis prima ex qua ommes Quid autem praedicavevint id est quid eis Christus revelaverit híc praescriham non alite p●obari debere nisi per easdem Ecclesias quas ipsi condiderunt ipsi eis praedicando tam vivâ qu●d ●iunt voce quàm per epistolas postea de Praes c. 21. that the Apostles who were sent by our Blessed Saviour Founded many Churches in several places and that many others came from these by communication of the same Doctrine and that they all of them together make but one true Catholick and Apostolick Church he adde in the next Chapter that true Prescription is that nothing be received but what he revealed unto his Apostles whom he sent to Preach his Doctrine unto the world But in case there does arise any Contest concerning any particular Point and that we be in some trouble or doubt whether they Preac●●ed it or no and by consequence whether they learned it of their Master or no behold here his solid Rule or Prescription in this great maxime that this is not to be made out or cleared by any other means but by those Churches which they founded either by Preaching or by Writing and which as we lately touched all of them make but one only Church To this Church then it does belong to determine what our Blessed Saviour did reveale in his Holy Word whensoever there is any cause of doubt in such Contests as do arise and what she defines what she declares in the case whatever former times did believe it now to be held as matter of Faith 15. As Protestants do acknowledge this Verity as I have made it appear so do we also most willingly submit unto it and intirely profess that the holy Church is lawful Judge of Controversies and that as Tertullian sayes addresses are to be made to her upon difference of Opinions that we may learn what the Son of God revealed unto his Apostles that is what is the true meaning of Holy Scripture and what Consequences are to be drawn from those Principles We have a very pregnant example of this in that famous Contest which has been for some Ages past between Catholicks concerning the Immaculate Conception
prove so very intelligible even to the Learneder sort of men There is notwithstanding this difference that as no one of those Fathers in particular is the Rule of her belief so does she not so abselutely determin by her Decrees what is the meaning of such or such a passage of theirs leaving it many times to our discussion as she does that of holy Scripture which she permits not to be call'd in question 4. And from hence we draw a third Conclusion that when in any Province or Kingdome a difficulty does arise in matter of Religion it is very uneffectual and preposto us to undertake to compose it by way of Disputation or Conference Experience has often shewed that such proceedings serve onely to increase the Division and render it endless provoking high spirits and putting them upon a pike of Honour which permits them not to be much moved with any reasons of an Adversary We must come quickly to that fixed and setled Point I mean the Soveraign undeclinable Judgement of the Church in which there are two several times or seasons which are of necessity to be distinguished that which goes before and that which followes after In the first of these writing on both sides so it be without bitterness with a good intent and design to make Truth appear is very lawful And then the Reasons alledged in such Writings the Fathers who happen to be cited pro and con do make as it were Plaintiff and Defendant Counsil and Plea in the Court They are the Bills and Answers The Replyes and Reparties are the difficulties proposed on both sides But what the Church definitively pronounces having taken cognisance of and examined things according to the Rules and proceedings of the Court this becomes a Decree this is Truth this is the fixed Point we must stick to and rely upon whether the Fathers cited did distinctly believe it or no. In the second of these times or seasons in case those whose doctrine stands condemned will not acquiesce and submit to Judgement Princes and Magistrates who are as Protectors of the Canons and Definitions of the Church have a duty incumbent upon them to procure and exact that obedience which is due and to endeavour the quieting and reducing such turbulent spirits by such means as they shall judge most efficacious And in the mean time it shall be lawful for the Learned to Write more vigourously against them and to bring Scripture and Fathers as has been practised by many knowing Controvertists not by way of discussing a matter which is yet within the bounds of incertitude but to make the weakness of Falsity appear and to shew the force of Truth and the conformity of the Judgement of the Church with the Doctrine of Antiquity For all other Persons it is much more to their purpose not to meddle with not hearken to any thing of this kind but to satisfie themselves saying This the Church has desined this I ascept this I will stick close unto In my opinion this is all which ought to be proposed to the Faithful without making them Judges of Controversies is Faith and without giving them occasion to enter into Dispute concerning this place of Scripture and that of Holy Fathers which for the most part are things beyond their reach and capacity Si quid tibi videtur vel ambiguitate pendere vel obscuritate obumbrari Tertull. de praesc c. 14. Curiosity does frequently come in for a part and that serves only to beget troubles and perplexities when they are not able to penetrate to the secret meaning or bo●tom o● such passages or to raise a p●esumption in them when they imagin they comprehend the matter and so come to fancy themselves no mean persons searching curiously into every thing with a great deal of hazard and danger to light at length upon something that may give them a check and make them begin to waver for want of understanding Ignorare melius est ne quod non debeas noris Ibid. together with an excess of rashness and boldness It is much better sayes Tertullian to be ignorant in that kind lest by some gross mistake or ill-understanding you come at length unfortunately to know what you had better been ignorant of Fides tua inquit te salvum fecit non exercitatio Scripturarum Fides in regulâ posita est exercitatio autem in curiositate consistit habens gloriam solam de peritiae studio Cedat curiositas Fidei cedat gloria saluti 'T is Faith a Christian is to be saved by not by discussing Texts of Scripture and passages of Holy Fathers For the having faith it suffices to stick to The Rule learning the true sence of Scripture from the Doctrine of the Church But the Spirit of arguing and disculling which I here point at comes very ordinarily from an excesse of curiosity and is onely subservient to vanity for the gaining a little glory by making a vain ostentation of the knowledge one has got by his own industry and study 'T is but reason that Curiosity should give place to Faith and and vain-glory to serious thoughts and care of our Salvation To this end it is necessary we stick close to that Rule to that setled Principle which is the true Science of a Christian I mean we ought to learn of the Church what the Word of God teaches us and what is the meaning thereof Non obstrepant adversus regulam nihil ultra scire omnia scire est Let no m●● oppose this rare Maxime To know nothing more then this is in reality to know all things 5. From what has been now said we may yet draw a fourth Sequel That this general Rule and universal Prindple received and allowed of by all 〈◊〉 such manner as it has been propounded may and ought to be applyed to every particular Point controverted that we may come to have a ready and certain solution thereof For those who first opposed the Doctrine we now make profession of in any Article debated either were at that time of the fame Church with those whom they opposed which Church they owned for the True Church there being as yet no separation made or they were already dismissed from her If they were of the same it is but seeing what that Church by her Representative has declated concerning the matter in debate For we are agred that they were obliged to submit to her Judgement so far as that in case of contempt it could not be lawful to take part with them without falling after their example into open and direct Schism But if they were already divorced from her upon any other ground or for any other precedent cause it is evident from the same reason that they were upon the whole matter already true Schismaticks because either they themselves or their Predecessors having formerly been of that Church they ought not after legal Sentence given to have made a Separation and consequently that it is not lawful
haply suppose you have stopped my mouth by telling me that you Guide is inerrable your Rule is as certain as the Word of God it self which and contains all Truth Who dares deny this Not I I do assure you But I must needs tell you what I have heard some very Learned and expert Physicians complain of which is That many times it happens that some good woman having by friendship or stealth gotten some Prescription of theirs which had been found very beneficial to some Patient or other applyes it so ill and so irregularly for want of knowledge of the nature of Distempers or of the Constitution of Bodies or of the Crisis of the Disease c. that in stead of a Cure by that excellent Remedy which with due application wrought strange effects in some it comes to be the ruine of many a poor Creature who under a skilful hand had been in little or no danger at all To be a little bold with you then I pray tell me have you confidence and presumption enough to think you have in a matter of greater moment the skill you pretend to VVere you sick of some dangerous disease notwithstanding that your Life were your own and that no body were to live by you or dye with you yet I dare boldly say you would be loath it would be against the practice custome and even obligation of the ablest Physicians in the world to rely upon your own judgement but would be glad even with some charge to have the advice of one or more who had made it their business to study nature and were approved of as men well versed in the Art of Physick VVere you to make a Purchase never so inconsiderable yet I presume though the Estate were to come and belong to none but your self and your heirs you would think it very necessary to employ some Learned man in the Law to draw the Conveyance and make your Title sure And herein I think consists the chief and sum of your skill to make a prudent choice of such persons in both Arts as you may safely rely upon and to follow their order and directions if you intend either to recover your Health or secure your Inheritance And can you think it a business of lesse importance in an affair of so great concern as is the election of your Faith and Religion to make a good and prudent choyce of those who are both by Industry and Divine Authority enabled to guide and direct you in the wayes of Truth I leave you to a more serious reflexion and more mature deliberation upon this great businesse as you shall find your self obliged by the force of such Reasons and Grounds as with an impartial perusal of this following Treatise will occur unto you and wish you heartily as I do mine own Soul true Faith perfect Health and Life in Christ Jesus everlasting IN the Translatours Preface pag. 1 line 8 read since it first appeared A Method for RE-UNITING OF PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICKS CHAP. I. That in matters of Religion there is little gotten by Disputation and that for the avoiding this inconvenience there ought to be an Agreement concerning some Principles on both sides 1. IN Contests which do arise in matters of Religion between the Defenders of Truth and Falsity and are maintained either by word of mouth or writing it falls out much otherwise than it doth in those more bloody Wars which are managed by the Swords of State and State Prince and Prince For in these for the most part after a Battel or two the Victory is clear on one side or other and Peace is again established by the defeat of him who finds himself in a necessity of yielding to the fate of War and receiving the Law from the Conquering Party But in that other the obstinate Champion of Errour even after many foils and defeat does still scorn to yield the victory Nay I dare be bold to say he will not fail to become more violent and insolent than ever because he is resolved never to want the boldness to speak as high and as loud as Truth it self and to make himself beleeve he has right to challenge the victory on his side which perchance may appear at least doubtful to the greatest part of the hearers in the heat and noise of Disputation I speak not this as disowning that proceeding by way of disputation to have been of great advantage to the Church of God against Hereticks by a mature discussing those passages of Holy Writ which have made against them The ancient Fathers made happy use of it with such vigour and success as gained them those noble Victories of which they have left us glorious Trophies in those great Works of theirs Yet this I think we may be bold to affirm that this Method be it never so excellent in it self is not apt to produce those happy effects in all persons universally it being more proper for the Learned only And as it happens that the learning of the Adversaries of Truth is alwayes accompanied with blindness and obstinacy the proper effects of that Pride which gives it its pretended magnitude so comes it to pass that that light which arises from Dispute proves very uneffectual in order to a reducing of them and serves for the most part onely to make the breach wider and to maintain the unhappy war so as to render it more lasting and in a manner endless 2. Hence it was that Tertullian who in some of his greatest Works undertook some certain Hereticks with as much strength of Wit and Reason as is possible yet at another time and in another Work of his he charges the whole body of them together in another way which he esteemed more universally satisfactory and by which he thought he might with greater ease and with more quiet and less trouble reduce the most rebellious spirits that were According to this Method of his ●e will not that you enter into Dispute with them nor that you set upon them with Scripture l. de praesc c. 1● For either they pervert it sayes he into some sense which may appear more favourable to them In ipso congressu firmos quidem fatigant insi mos capiunt medios cum scrupulo ●immittunt c. 15. or they add or take away at their pleasure Some passages they alledge in a quite contrary sense and you are obliged to a defence and yet they will not stick to affirm with as much confidence as you that they have the true meaning on their side From hence it is that you gain little upon them in these kinds of encounters wherein after you have tired-out the more learned they take too frequently with the weaker sort and alwayes leave in the minds of the vulgar something of doubt and uncertainty which causes in them much perplexity Nay it hath fallen our more than once that that very Person for whose satisfaction a Conference hath been held or a Treatise written
of our Blessed Lady It is certain that in former times men did not set themselves to search into that particular subject because they did not so much as reflect upon it There was onely a confused kind of knowledge and a general Id●● of the priviledges and Prerogatives of the Blessed Virgin above the rest of Mankind without descending to particulars People were wholly taken up with opposing those Hereticks who drew up against the Honour of the Blessed Virgin who would have deprived her of the glory of her admirable and perpetual Virginity even after Child-bearing and above all those who so violently pleaded against th● glorious title of Mother of God which is the ground of all her other Priviledges They were satisfied to ascertain that true source or fountain of all her greatness fortifying it by Scripture and Apostolick Tradition without regarding to penetrate further into that suite or train of other priviledges which did accompany that one great prerogative or examining particularly whether it were to be concluded by a legall ensequence flowing from that Principle that she was preserved at the first instant of her being from Original sin It was not at that time positively believed that she was exempt from that stain neither was the contrary in their Creed And this because it was not so much as thought upon At another time it has been thought good to employ many serious-thoughts upon this subject and to search more narrowly into the business Great Contests have risen about it Whole Volames have been written by Learned men who have produced strong and clear testimonies out of the Holy Scriprures for it and have endeavoured to derive it from the very Fountain of Apostolical Doctrine by the way of Tradition Whole Universities and especially that of Sorbon have spoken loud in favour of that Opinion and engaged themselves by solemn Oath to maintain it And yet notwithstanding the Church has not thought fit absolutely to determine any thing concerning this matter of so great importance But leaves us at liberty to believe what we please concerning it She has not proceeded in the same manner concerning her exemption from all guilt even of venial sin For this she has decided and resolved upon as a matter of Faith not that she had any new revelation thereof since the time of the Apostles but that before the proposing this verity to the world 〈◊〉 be believed she consulted with the holy Scriptures Apostolical Tradition and the opinions of holy Fathers co●cerning the preeminence and qualition of the Mother of God for the finding out the whole extent of them An having discovered by this means th● her being exempted from venial sin w● comprehended in that Supreme Dignty as a necessary consequence is ●●cluded in its Principle she has defined as a Point of faith revealed in the We of God in which it is contained Th● is the reflexion of the most eminent as Learned Cardinal de Lugo in his exc●lent Treatise of Faith Disp 3. Sect. 5. n. 7. Let us now imagine the Churd should do the same concerning the 〈◊〉 emption of the Blessed Virgin from Original sin Let us suppose that she h●ving examined the passages of Host Writ and the Testimonies of Trad●● on which are alledged upon this subject should find this also included as in necestary consequence as she did the other as it is not unlikely she would If she should think fit to proceed to a further examin of the business then all we who are Catholicks and agreed in this that the Church is Judge of Controversies and that we are bound to submit to her Decrees should quickly lay aside all difference of opinions ●●d although we had not hitherto held seas matter of Faith should then believe it to be so not because there had been any new Revelation concerning it ●●t because the Church should have declared it to have been alwayes revealed although there was not a general Agreement concerning that Revelation 16. Behold then us and Protestants agreed as I take it upon this Principle that the true Church of Christ has power to decide and propose that as an Article of Faith which antecedently to that decision and proposal was not of obligation to be believed From whence is easily concluded that for the franing an exact rational discourse in matters of Faith it is necessary to avoid these two extremes which a loose kind of reasoning is apt enough to fall into The first is That this has not alwayes been believed therefore it is not now to be believed The second This is 〈◊〉 believed ergo it has alwayes and in a● Ages of the Church been distinctly believed It is evident by our Principle● that this way of reasoning is very salk and erroneous Here then is the reason why when there happens a Contest between two Parties of the same Church supposed alwayes the true Church as we shall by and by shew it is not alwayes necessary that we search narrowly into the doctrine of Antiquity for the discovering what was held in those dayes concerning the matter in Dispute It suffices for ending all debates that we know what the Church having taken full cognisance of the matter shall have determined by a solemn judgement and Sentence according to the usuall form and method What she resolves in such occurrences according to the Word of God the true meaning whereof she faithfully gives us is to be received as matter of Faith whether it were beforehand known or not known to be so And the contrary is an Error which we are obliged with her to condemn and anathematise unless we intend to become Infidel and Schismaticks Here is the Principle we are agreed upon on all sides as I have made appear both by the Doctrine and proceedings of our Adversanes themselves It imports now very much to apply this to the particular subject we have in hand and it shall be my endeavour to effect it CHAP. III. The applying this agreed-on Principle to the Subject of the Holy Eucharist TO make a due Application of this general Principle to the subject of the Holy Eucharist with the same peaceableness and quiet we have hither to endeavoured to maintain and together with the consent of Parties we must needs step a little aside but still in such order and measure that we may go friendly on in the same path hand in hand together without justling one another still laying all Disputes aside The first step therefore that I make of this kind is to produce what is agreed upon on all sides to have been in all Ages believed concerning the Holy Eucharist to wit that it is a Sacrament which is a Memorial of the Death of our Lord Jesus Christ who is there present and wherein his blessed Body and precious Blood are truely received by the Faithful according to the express words of the Son of God himself who says Take and eat this is my Body do this in memory of me This is what