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B13698 A dialogue or conference betweene Irenæus and Antimachus, about the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England: by Samuel Gardiner, Doctor of Diuinitie Gardiner, Samuel, b. 1563 or 4. 1605 (1605) STC 11575; ESTC S102819 49,951 71

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hath his proper flagge and banner by which it may be knowne and euery noble House is knowne by the antient armes and scutchian thereof Sheepeheards vse to strike their sheepe with a red marke on the sides where by they might be the better knowne the armie familie sheepe of Christs are distinguished by the banner cognisance and rubricke of loue according to that which Christ saith By this it shall be knowne that ye are my Disciples if ye haue loue one towards another The peace that we haue with our selues is our cheefest outward comfort amidst the miseries of this mortall life and is as the meale that the man of God did cast into the pot which tooke away the deathfull bitternesse of the Colliquintida or hear be that was in the pot The sicke man though he change neuer so often his chamber and bed hath neuer the more rest because he beareth his infirmitie about him so we shall neuer be at peace with our selues though lawes were changed according to our lusts bearing about vs such humorous affections More dammages is imported both to Church and ciuill state by domesticall dissention then by forraigne persecution yea more then any man possibly can diuine It hath bin an old and vnquestionable obseruation Concordia paruae res crescunt Discordia maximae dilabuntur by concorde Salustius small things attaine to a great growth and by discorde the great things of all are dissolued Concordia fulciuntur opes etiam exiguae Plautus A poore estate is easily supported and borne vp by concorde Cuidius Et quae non possunt singula multa inuant Et quae non laedunt singula multa nocent If the confusion of languages confounded the stately and magnificall building of the Tower of Babel how shall not the distraction and confusion of mindes make a spoile of all things To the generation and production of things naturall there must necessarily bee a combination of the elements laying apart their contrarie qualitie and agreeing among themselues that by their vnited force and vertue gold pretious stones and other kindes of mettalls might be bred By the ioynt association of the foure humours the health of man is continued and when strife and debate is betweene them all manner of maladies and diseases are engendered and death it selfe followeth it The melodious and tuneable musicke consisteth in the concorde and harmony of the voyce Gen. 6. The first world was ouerwhelmed with water but in contention of life it was first diuided which was betweene the sonnes of Seth and Cham. Exod. 14. The Egyptians perished by water but they first did breake with the people of Israel and were at deadly fewd with them The Israelites were ledde by the Babylonians into bondage 2. Kings 15. but first ten Tribes were sundred from the other two Iudah and Beniamin The contention betweene Haimo and Hanibal Carthaginians was the ouer-throw of that Cittie The quarrell betweene the Lacedaemonians and Athenians that were the two great lights in the Firmament of Greece made hauocke and waste of the whole Prouince The diuision that arose among the Numantians was the cause they were subdued by Scipio who being asked by the Gouernour Tyretius how it came to passe that being hetherto a people inuincible they were now ouercome they answered that their concord saued them their discord spoiled them The Romans felt the smart of this while Augustus Antony were diuided It was a plague to all Italy the disquiet that was betweene Caesar and Pompey Scylla Marius But contention in the Church is a monstrous and mischieuous Hydra as euer was bred and that examples shew There grew such hote strife betweene the Orthodoxall fathers and the Arrians in the Syrmita Synod about the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as kindled such coales as fired all the Church of which Theodoret saith thus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 while they busied their braines about these wordes they miserably distracted the Church of God The contention in the Church betweene Ensebius Bishop of Caesarea and Basil the Great was great and greeuous The Apostle Saint Paul exhorting vs to those things that make to peace sheweth the important necessitie thereof by implying the ineuitable inexplicable mischiefe in the case by our recusancie that must come vpon vs If ye bite one another ye shall be consumed one of another Gal. 5. Psal 46. It is the consequent the royall Prophet maketh The nations raged and the Kingdomes are mooued This maxime and principle in Philosophie Vis vnita fortior Vnited helpe is surest is by common experience approoued For two oxen will beare a greater burthen then one Especiall care is had in the warres that the Souldiers keepe their ranckes and scatter not themselues for so they should be a prey to the enemie Much more is it meete for the Church to haue such heedefull prouision that the Ministers thereof may keepe their standing as forme of law requireth that they be not exorbitant and sallie out of the classes of their due obedience that they owe to the doctrine and discipline of the Church that so such aduantage might not be giuen to the common aduersary How came it to passe that the Preachers of the Primitiue Church were such strong Giants as they subdued the whole world Acts 4. Cant. 6. The text telleth vs The multitude of them that did beleeue were of one heart and of one soule The Lord in the Canticles giuing high commendations to his Church hee extolleth them for their order and conformitie Thou art comely as Ierusalem terrible as an armie of banners But what should be the ground and cause of this maladie and infirmitie in the Church that wee may know how to remedie it The cause is double The first is pride selfe-loue singularitie of the minde euery one being wedded to his will as to his wife checking all contrarie reason without cause and basely esteeming euerie ones opinion in respect of their owne Euery ones owne fancie is as it were a Crow which iobbeth at his eyes which feedeth it and striketh him blinde and that which is worst of all maketh him in that case as he cannot see his blindenesse and perdition This Wisedome teacheth vs Prou. 28.25 1. Kings 16.9 10 11 12. He that is of a prowde heart stirreth vp strife Zimri through pride grew contentious and so seditious For being Captaine of halfe his Charets bee conspired against the King and slew him and raigned in his steede The Apostle Paul 1. Corint 3.3 a practised Phisitian casting our water findeth this to be the cause of this disease saying Whereas there is among you enuying and strife and diuisions are ye not carnall Wherefore order this beastly affection of selfe-loue as thou wouldest thy beast for if thou beest to ride on an vnrulie beast thou hast spurres at thine heeles and a bridle in thine hand If hee bee too forwarde and would cast thee
when they fulfill their wicked lusts so the simple and vnskilful are of enmis-led in the vain● conceit and imagination of zeale This was the zeale that intoxicated the Iewes of which S. Paul saith They haue the zeale of God but not in iudgement 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not according to knowledge This knowledge like Captaine Ioas should goe in and out before our zeale and lighten the way of our zeale and direct as the pillar of fire that gaue light to the people of Israel in the night season As Iohn Baptist was the fore-runner of Christ so ought knowledge to be the fore-runner of zeale to make readie a way for zeale as Iohn made readie the way to Christ Knowledge is like the starre that led the Easterne Wise-men to Christ Math. 3. that will leade our zeale vnto the truth The spirit of zeale is sampled to fire yet a boll of water is to be cast vpon it somwhat to quallifie the fury of this fire Wherefore as Christ baptized with fire so Iohn the Baptist did baptize with water A great heate is naturally in zeale which by letting in acoole winde and ayre Acts 2. would be moderated wherefore as the Holy-ghost came downe in fire so he came downe in a mightie winde that doth much abate the heate of the fire There is a golden meane as in all other things so in Knowledge in Zeale Rom. 12.3 Exod. 16.18 according to this saying of the Apostle Be wise with sobrietie It was vnlawfull in the Iewes to gather too much or too little Manna wherefore their measure was appointed them and they were stinted in the proportion of it which hath a good application to zeale that it neither may redound or bee defectiue Isaiah was willed to cry Isai 58. and to cry somewhat highly but he was not bidde●●are and to rende his throate and the ayre with his voyce Zeale and that in some height is good but there may too much strength be put to it which will quite marre it Mar. 10.28 It was zeale in the Disciples that wrought with them when they forsooke all to follow Christ and it was good and well esteemed of by Christ And it was zeale that kindled the coales of wrath in the breasts of the Disciples against the Samaritans Luke 9.55 when they would haue plucked fire from heauen to haue consumed them if Christ would haue suffered them but this was preposterous inconsiderate braine-sicke wherefore Christ controled it Iud. 4. As Barak would not goe to warre without Deborah against Sisara so let vs not warre with our zeale without our other companion of knowledge Zeale without knowledge is as Sampson without eyes who could not take hold of the arches of the house it cannot finde out the principall things Vaesoli woe be to him that is alone saith Wisedome so wo be to zeale alone not accompanied with knowledge Zeale and knowledge of God 1. Kings 20. are as the two Lyons that were the supporters of Salomons Throne And he that combineth them and coupleth them together he shall be like Moses in meekenesse and Phineas in feruour Wherefore as wine is delaide by water so is zeale with knowledge As the Pinnesse without a Pilot is in perill of rockes and as the bodie without the eye is in hazzard of falling so zeale without knowledge that is the eye of zeale and ruleth it is in danger of mis carrying For it is not a bare good intention and zeale that must iustifie our good actions but such mature knowledge must leade vs forth to them as we may be able to warrant them The great variance among vs I wot well not for so great causes I feare me is not warrantable When the Lord willed Eliah to stand vppon the mount before the Lord it is saide 1. Kings 19. that a mightie strong winde rent the mountaines and brake the rockes before the Lord but the Lord was not in the winde and after the winde came an earth-quake but the Lord was not in the earth-quake and after the earth-qake came fire but the Lord was not in the fire and after the fire came a still and soft voice and there the Lord vvas In the stormie vvindes and tempests of the Church that offer to shake it in the verie foundation in the earth-quake and fire of our endlesse contentions the Lord is not but he is in the still voyce that seeketh and ensueth the peace of Ierusalem Antun I haue nothing else to say in the cause but I promised to call for your counsell and therefore if you please addresse your selfe to that Iren. My counsell shall be first That you weigh the points in controuersie betweene vs in equall ballances and that you striue not by inuention of argument to hang lumpes of lead to the heeles of them to make them heauier then they are of themselues You may weigh our cause vneuenly on the weights two wayes for in any of these two there may be deceit in all weights First when a thing is weighed ouer hastily Be not therfore too readie rash in iudgement in condemning such things as may well in any free estate be tolerated Secondly when one part of the ballance is heauier then another which is when thou commest aggrauated with preiudicate affections against the setled ceremonies when thou art rather led by thy wil then reason When you haue set these ceremonies vpon the tenters of your inuectiues and grounde the face of them betweene the mill-stones of your fore-stalde affections you shall neuer perswade the wise that either they are of hurtefull nature or otherwise contrarie to the word of God but in ordinary vnderstanding they will be deemed to be indifferent Secondly you are in the next place to be aduised how you wrong other Churches by your bitter sermons against these ceremonies which haue alwaies hetherto entertained them as lawfull and laudable Iob 47. Eliphas was very imperious ouer Iob not considering himselfe The Iewes very notable hypocrites themselues and loose liuers snebbed and snatched vp the Gentiles at their pleasure which said Isai 63.5 Stand apart come not neere to mee for I am belier then thou We are not ignorant how farre the authoritie of the Church may extend and wee willingly confesse that it ought to rule by the Scepter of the word and that it may not any way countermaund that that standeth like Mount Syon that may not be remooued the whole world the Lords building and the heauens the beautifull roofe thereof must perish before any tittle of the word must perish and fall to the ground But of this we are well assured that it hath leaue and libertie to authorize ceremonies that are of mixt kinde and that we are neither to condemne such or vnreuerently to esteeme them I agree with thee that which is not of faith is sinne Rom. 14 2 yet that wee may carry a quiet conscience and haue the testimoniall thereof in our