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A26232 Observations upon some part of Sr Francis Bacon's Naturall history as it concernes fruit-trees, fruits, and flowers especially the fifth, sixth, and seaventh centuries, improving the experiments mentioned, to the best advantage / by R.A. Austen, practiser in the art of planting. Austen, Ralph, d. 1676.; Bacon, Francis, 1561-1626. Sylva sylvarum. 1658 (1658) Wing A4234; ESTC R13917 44,554 57

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Observations upon some part of Sr FRANCIS BACONS NATVRALL HISTORY as it concernes Fruit-trees Fruits and Flowers especially the Fifth Sixth and Seaventh CENTURIES Improving the Experiments mentioned to the best Advantage By RA: AUSTEN Practiser in the Art of Planting Gen 2.8 And the Lord God planted a Garden Eastward in Eden and there he put the man whom he had formed And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for foode Gen 1.29 And God said behold I have given you every hearb bearing seede which is upon the face of all the Earth and every Tree in which is the fruit of a tree bearing seede to you it shall be for meate OXFORD Printed by Hen Hall for Thomas Robinson 1658. To the honourable Robert Boyle Esq. sonne to the Lord Boyle Earle of Co●ke● Honoured SIR THE Prophet David tells us the workes of the Lord are wonderfull sought out of all them that have pleasure therein and he hath laid some of the secrets of Nature so deepe that no humane understanding can fathom or find them out Yet neverthelesse he gives wisdome unto man who is studious thereabout to discover multitudes of rare and excellent things for the use and comfort of mankind that God in all things may be glorified Every man hath a Talent or more given him to improve for the honour of him that gave it and the advantage of himselfe and others and not to hide it or lay it up in a Napkin as very many slothfull persons do to their shame and destruction Especially of those who have the greatest portions and Revenues in this world and therefore think ther 's no need nor reason they should labour either with body or mind * But Mr Boulton now in heaven hath left a Lesson behind him for such to learne He is saith he a cursed drone a child of idlenesse and sloth the very tennis Ball of Temptation most unworthy of the blessings and benefits of humane society who doth not one way or other cooperate and contribute to the common good with his best endeavours in some honest particular calling or course of life It brings true honour to be Instrumentall for the honour of God and good of others we may take his word for it who hath said Them that honour me I will honour but those that despise me shall be lightly esteemed All men desire a good name which is no way attainable but by obedience according to the Scriptures the truest worth and Nobility is to be borne from above to have Relations in Heaven all earthly honour is but a shadow to it Now I wish for their good such persons would look upon you worthy Sr and set you as an Example and Patterne before them of Learning and studiousnesse in all profitable knowledg your diligent search and indagation into the noble Art of Chymistry as it relates to Vegetables and Animals having already produced many excellent effects and been profitable unto many your study also of other parts of Philosophy I doubt not but ●ill in due time b●ing forth speciall fruits And tha● in par●icular about Fermentation and other wa●es of pr●paration of Liquors more especially that of Cider which you are now in hand with It is well knowne how acceptable and profitable it is and hath been for many generations past for the health of our bodies abov● many if not any other kinds of Liquors knowne to us Now in case it may be advanc●d and made much better by Fermentation as there is no doubt but it may then it will be of more speciall and generall use then ever yet it hath been if unto all this be added vi● to make it of those fruits w●ich are knowne by Experience to be the best for that purpose The Learned and incomparable Author Sr Francis Bacon hath left unto men such Rules and helps in all kinds of Learning that th●y will be much wanting to themselves if Arts and Sciences improve not very much above what they have been in former ages And as the foresaid worthy Author was eminently seen in all Arts and Sciences so his delight was especially as is recorded of him in Vegetable Philosophy which was as it were his darling delight having left unto us much upon Record in his Naturall H●story some part whereof referring to F●uit-trees Fruits and Flowers I have by encouragement from himselfe endeavoured to improve unto publique profit according to what understanding and experience I have therein I think it would not be in vaine if others who are seene and experienced in other parts of the said History would do the like And seeing I perceive since you have been pleased to honour me with your acquaintance that your Genius is towards things of this nature to promote them in order to the Common good and that I have encouragements in my labours thereabout both as to the Theory and Practise I humbly present these following Observations into your hands and am for all your favours honoured Sr your obliged servant RA: AUSTEN To the Reader COncerning my undertaking this ensuing work I give this Account It may perhaps by some be thought too bold an attemp in me to examine the writings and to recede in any thing from the Judgment of so Eminent and worthy an Author To which I Answer For what I have here done I doubt not but if the Authour himselfe were now living he would approve of it But more particularly let it be considered that those things which I have to do with herein are directly within the compasse of my Calling and course of life about which I am daily conversant And the Author hath given to my selfe and others sufficient encouragement in this Having said in his Advancement of Learning That the writings of speculative men upon active matter seemes to men of Experience to be but as dreames and dotage And that it were to be wished as that which would make Learning indeede solid and frui●full that active men would or could become writers Men that have Experience in things are like to see in the Mysteries and secrets of them more and further then such as have only Notions and apprehensions of them without action and practice It is concluded and laid for a ground That peritis credendum in sua Arte Men are to give credit to Artists in their owne faculty And f●rther observe That many of the ensuing particulars are but only Queries set downe by the Author wherein not having Experience he desired further light from it which I have ende●voured herein to resolve And wherein I have perceived a manifest mistake● I have for the Truths sake and profit of men discovered it I hope without any reflection upon the worthy and Learn●d Author who I verily believe would have encouraged any Experienced man in the like undertaking not seeking himselfe as he * professeth but the Truth in these things for the good of future Generatio●s Let
is over surely as the Cause of springing and growth becomes weaker and weaker untill it cease altogether so also will the ●ff●ct of that heate that is the growth of the Plants Steeping of Wheate in fat waters and other Liquors is a rich Exp●riment f●r profit if the goodn●sse of the Crop answer the earlinesse of the comming up c. S●eeping of Seed● Kernell● Stones c. is chiefly to excite the spi●it of the kernell or Seede and to make them the sooner and more easily to open and spring up out of the E●rth which some kinds have much need of As Aprecots Almonds and other thick hard stones As for Wheate and such like seeds sleeping will excite the spirits and open the grosser parts and hasten their springing up But I conceive the vigour and virtue gotten by such steeping will be soone gone it will not be lasting as the naturall properties of the seed Whatsoever is naturall in seeds Plants c. doth continue and cannot fall off or be lost but that which is but accidentall and from Art is but of short continuance and soone over like the virtue of a Cup of wine or a meales meate to our bodies so that the end will not be attained unlesse the same help be ●enewed and often repe●ted by wat●ing of such steeped seeds● with the same Liquors from time to time ●ntill they come to pe●fection Strawberries watred now and then as once in three daies with water wherein hath been steeped Sheeps-dung or Pigeons-dung will prevent and come early This is a good Experiment and profitable to make the B●rries earlier and fairer so it be seasonably and moderately done● I conceive the morning is best before the sunne be hot but water them not too often nor too much lest it make the ground too ranke and fat which is not good for strawberries it makes them commonly runne into great leaves and strings and to beare Fruits lesse Dung or Chalke or Blood applyed in substance seasonably to the Roots of Trees doth s●t them forwards c. Too great a quantity of these things will hurt especially young Trees as the best meates and drinks immoderately and unseasonably taken hurt men Blood or Flesh or the like applyed to the Roots of old Vines or other Fruit-trees being decaying or old will refresh them greatly Let this be done before winter or in winter time that the virtue thereof may soke into the Roots and the earth about them before the spring And also that it may not be noysome or offensive in spring or sommer after Digge up the earth and bare the Roots as much as may be and power in the Blood or lay the Dung Flesh or any fat substance to the Roots afterwards cover it with the mould all over Otherwise take a Barre of Iron and make many holes among and about the Roots of old Trees especially where the ground i● bad and power in Blood of Beasts fat water or such like this will much refresh the Trees fruit-Fruit-trees upon a South or south-east Wall will bring forth their Fruits early It is true● that the South-wall is best and the South-east next● to plant choice trees upon to come early the reason why the West-wall is not so good as the East for early budding and ripening of fruits I conceive is mainely because there is usually more raine and moisture and greater and more winds out of the West in spring and sommer then out of the East which do much coo●e the trees and fr●its and so retard Also May-Cherry-trees or other kinds which n●●urally bud and bring fruits early being plan●ed as is here said against the back of a Chimney where fire is much kept the same will bud and beare ve●y early in the yeare especially if the wall be of Brick and but a thin wall Digging and loosening the earth about the Roots of trees accelerate germination This culture is undoubtedly a benefit to Trees as to their increase and growth they will thrive the faster her●by but I conceive not as to their early budding for all trees bud forth before they draw one jot of S●p out of the earth there is sap existing in the buds and branches all the winter which is excit●d by the sunnes drawing neere in the spring time and breaketh forth into blossome and leafe A Dama●ke Rose tree in water budded in the space of ten daies in a Chamber I conceive this acceleration was not for that it was set in water but because the aire was somewhat warmer in the house then out of dores at that season it being in October it would have done a● much if it had beene set in earth And as for the difference betwixt this and that with the horse-dung mixed it may be that Rose tree in water only had the better and more Roots which would certainly cause budding sooner A dutch Flower that had a bulbous Roote was put under water and within seaven daies sprouted c. I have tryed severall Flowers with bulbous Roots and other kinds of Roots in water in the house in Autumne which kept fresh and seemed to come on somewhat for a while but afterwards Flag'd and faded I know no advantage that may be had hereby at that season for the aire in a while growes chill and coole even within dores Radish c. in a Month. Pease Radish c. are hastned in the spring and summer and their returnes quick chiefly because ●hey are sowed and set in a warme place upon g●ound sloping upon the South-east sunne with some speciall shelters from the North and cold winds For Nourishment water is almost all in all therefore it is a comfortable Experiment for good drink●rs Simply water affords but a feeble and weake nourishment crude and cold and therefore we see that in low watr●sh grounds fruit-fruit-trees come on poorely being full of Mosse by reason of the cold nourishment and that in dryer deepe fat soyles Fruit-trees are three or foure times bigger and longer lived th●n those in watrish grounds Neither is this a comfortable Experiment for good drinkers for Experience shewes us such as live most upon good liquors eating but little are more unsound unheal●hy peopl● and shorter liv'd then those who drinke lesse and feed upon solid meates Housing of Plants will accelera●● germination Certainely it will if the Plants be ordered with d●scretion to be seasonably set out in the sunne and raine in the warmest seasons and time of the day removing the Box of earth in and out as occasion is or otherwise Housing may spoyle them and cause the branches and Twiggs to contract and become dry for as the Aire within dores is warmer then that without so al●o it is dryer and does exhaust and dry the Plants more therefore they have need sometimes of the moist Aire without Experiments touching the putting back or Retardation of germination
m●uld if to the better is also very advantagious to f●ui●-●rees in case the soyle be barren but if it be very fat as some is especially some pa●ticular places by acc●dent then mould that is more sterill and hung●y will do better fo●overmuch re●l●tion and fertility may hinder fruitfulnesse and cause the ●ap to runne most into long shoots and broad leaves The sh●fting of ground is a meanes to better the Tree and fruit and all things do prosper b●st when they are advanced to the better And a Nu●sery ought to be in a more barren ground then the places whither they are transplanted It is true change of soyles sometimes is very good if to the better but its true also that if trees grow in over ranke soyle then worse will be better that is will help more towards fruitfulnesse as a course and meane fare is better for a fat man then the more delicious Without controversy young trees out of barren Nurseries come on faster when transplanted then out of fat soyles but in case the Nursery be fat soyle then some other as good must be laid to their Roots when set againe Hacking of Trees doth great good to Trees After eight or tenne yeares growth cutting or scoring o● hacking the barke of trees with a knife is profitable but while they a●e young the Barke is but thin and tender and enlargeth well enough without this cutting unlesse some that through barrennesse of soyle or other cause are bark● bound Shade to some plants conduceth to make them large and prosperous more then Sunne As in strawberries and Baies c. It is true Baies and Lawrell prospereth better in the Shade then in the Sunne being Hot Plants but Strawberries do better partly in the shade and partly in the sunne then in shade only as ●mong Bushes and other plants I have observed those in the shade to beare little or nothing when others of the same kind and growth somewhat in the sunne bore very much Pulling off many blossomes from a fruit-tree doth make the fruit fairer and if some blossomes be not pulled off the fi●st time a tree bloometh it will blossome it selfe to death Commonly the fewer blossoms upon a tree the fairer will the fruit be because as the Authour saies of the plenty of sap And indeed in case a tree newly planted blossome very much and the Roote be but weake which may be perceived by the weaknesse of the buds then its best to pull off most if not all the blossomes but many I have knowne the first yeares planting take Roote so strongly being in good mo●ld as that they blossome and shoot forth and beare faire fruits the same yeare It w●re good to try what would be the ●ff●ct if all the blossomes were pulled from a Fruit-tree for two yeares together Fruit-trees that beare but every other yeare they for the most p●rt beare that yeare very plentifully and the exc●ssive expence of sap ●hat yeare its like makes the tree more feeble the next but if blossomes be pulled ●ff a yeare or two together I suppose the sap would go mo●e into the shoots and ma●e them larger then if it bore fruits and the issue a● to bearing more or better f●uits would be nothing worth There is no doubt but that Grafting for the most part doth m●liorate fruit The cause is manifest for that the nourishment is better prepared in the stocke then in the crude earth Grafting doth not at all meliorate the fruit simply in it s●lfe for a ●ice will not be the better for Grafting unlesse the grafts be taken from a good tree If the tree from which grafts are cut be no better then the tree which is grafted then grafting will not a jot mend the fruit which it would if grafting were any thing towards the bettering of the fruit The cause why Grafted trees beare better fruits then wild ungraf●ed trees is not because they are grafted but because the graf●s are good the tree from which the grafts are cut is of a good kind and nature and every ●wig graft and bud hath the nature of the whole tree in it perfectly the properties of the tree are in all and every part as the soule in the body which is tota in toto tota in qualibet pa●te and the grafts retaine the nature and properties being grafted upon wild stocks and bring forth fruits accordingly and that 's the cause that grafting doth meliorate the fruit and not because the nourishment is better prepared in the stock then in the crude earth for the branches of an ungrafted tree do no more receive nourishment from the crude earth then the branches of a grafted tree but the s●p and nourishment passeth up a body or stock to the branches in the one as well as in the other And as i● i● true that the Peach and Melocot●ne do beare good fr●its comming up of stone● which is not alwaies so neither only here and there one so it is true also that they beare as good fruits of the bud being Inoculated It hath beene received that a smaller Peare grafted upon a stock that beareth a greater Peare will become great c. It is true as the Authour thinks that this will not succeed because the Grafts do governe they alwaies bring forth fruit answerable to their owne natures and kinds else it were to little purpose to get Grafts from such or such a good Tree to have more of the kind Yet it is true also that the stock hath some influence upon the Graft so as to make the fruit better or worse according to the nature of the stock in some small degree As if we graft upon a stock that naturally beares a sower harsh fruit the fruit of the graft will not be altogether so pleasant as if it were grafted upon a stock that beares naturally a sweet and pleasant fruit and hence it is that Peares grafted upon Quince-stocks will be more delicate then upon Peare-stocks The Quince-stock gives an excellent tast to it but these trees upon Quinces will never attaine to any great bignesse for all Quince-trees are but small in comparison of Peare-trees and where the stock can be but small the graft cannot be great yet as I have seene it somewhat bigger then the stock As for a Peare upon a Thorne which this Authour speakes of it cannot be good it makes it a harsh hard Peare at the core if it thrive and beare but most commonly they dye in two or three yeares we know its naturall fruit Hawes have stones in them But for the Apple upon the Crab that 's naturall the Crab being a wild apple and very proper to graft all sorts of Apples upon in regard of the soundnesse of the stock its long lasting and aptnesse to take with grafts and also when set in the ground although its true it makes the fruit somewhat more tart then
such variety and ch●i●e But for men to find out and shew a particular Cause in Nature of this variety will be as hard to do as to shew a Cause why severall kinds of Grafts upon one tree drawing one and the selfe same sap do yet bri●g forth different Fruits other then to say they keepe their severall Natures and so convert the same sap into severall kinds of Fruits And why may not the same be said of severall seeds and Roots in one Bed drawing the same juyce of the Earth Concerning sowing of Gilly flower seede I advise those that sow it first to gather it from the fairest and best Clove-Gilly-flower and that i● be full ripe ere it be g●thered which is when it is turned black● Also seede may be g●thered from other double flowers some commend especially the London white others a flower cald the old mans head● and say the greatest varieties c●me from these some are for one and some for another but so it is that most will be single fl●wers from the best seede but doubtlesse there is much in the ground in which the seede is sowen if it be poore soyle they are more like to be more single then if the ground be speciall rich mould for as was said barren ground as it makes flower●small so sometimes in it they turne from double to single so it may be said as to the seede when sowen It is a Curiosity to have Flowers double which is effected by often Removing them into new earth as on the contrary part double flowers by neglecting and not removing prove single And the way to do it speedily is to sow or set seeds or slips of flowers and as soone as they c●m● up to remove them into new ground that is good Enquire also wh●ther Inoculating of Flowers as Stock-Gilly-flowers Roses Musk-Roses c. doth not make them double For the first part of ●his Experiment to make Flowers double or fairer it is a good Rule as the Authour hath set downe especially if withall we observe the directions given in the Observation to the 50●Experim●nt in breaking off some of the Buds and St●ms and letting some few grow to be fl●wers Concerning Inoculating of Flowers Stock Gilly flowers or any other kind I know no such thing and believe it is but a fancy for having heard of it I have considered of the matter and cannot find nor apprehend what it is that should be Inoculated there are no buds nor any thing like a bud to be taken off for that purpose And I have spoken with divers who have had skill in Fl●wers and they have said they have heard of such a thing but have never seene any thing thereof in Experience There are ●hree other waies sufficient for the propagation of flowers which are by Seede by Slips and by Layers but by Laying is by far the best as is shewed at large in the Observation to the 506. Experiment But as for Inoculating Roses Musk R●se and all other kinds that is very commo● and sure yet as to the intent of the Authour viz. to make them double it succeeds not and he himselfe hath given the Reason truly upon another occ●sion That is all Buds and Grafts Rule and keepe their owne Natures and so change not neither as to the making Ros●s more double● or better then they were before nor as to the bettering of any F●uit as hath beene shew'd heretofore The m●king of Fruits without Core or Stone is likewise a Curiosity If a Cions or shoote have the Pith finely taken forth and not altog●ther but some of it left the better to save the life it will beare a fruit with little or no Core or Stone The like is said to be of dividing a Quick tree downe to the ground and taking out the Pu● a●d then binding it up againe These prescriptions for making F●uits without Core or stone I canno● think are from this worthy Authour but they are such as are set downe by others which I have seene And they are as weake and groundlesse conceits as many other things asserted by them about chang●ing the species of Fruits and making them of an aromatique and pleasant tast and altering the Colour of Fruits and such like co●ceits the variety of which I suppose hath beene sufficiently laid open in a late Treatise of Fruit-trees see there Errors discovered pag. 91 92. c. For let this thing be a little considered and it will appeare to any man that has but halfe an eye to be vaine suppose a shoote or Graft as is here said be cloven and all or most of the pith taken out and ad●it such a one be Grafted or any way set in the ground so as to take roote and grow● yet we know all the Bark and Buds are as they were before the taking out of the Pith makes no alteration at all more or lesse we know in all the Buds that are Inoculated not only all the Pi●h but also all the wood is cast away and no●hing made use of but only the Buds and Bark of any young shoote and yet wee see by continuall Experience what the effect i● that these Buds bring for●h the same Fruits as the trees from which they were taken And if a * young tree were divided and the Pith taken out from the top to the Roote as is said there is lesse Reason if lesse can be that that should work this eff●ct because all the side twigs if it have any would have pith st●ll And if it have none or if the Pith were taken out of all yet we know the increase of the Tree must be still from the Buds which have the same nature in them as Grafts or Buds Inoculated It is very probable that any sower fruit grafted upon a stock that beareth a sweeter fruit may both make the fruit sweeter and more voyd of the harsh matter of the kernells or seeds It is Reported that not only taking out the Pith but the stopping of the juy●e of the Pith from rising in the midst and turning it to rise o● the outside will make the fruit withou● core or stone The Rule is Generall that whatsoever will make a wild Tree a Gard●n tree will make a Garden tree to have lesse Core or stone It is true that a sower fruit grafted upon a stock of a sweeter kind will make the fruit somewhat sweeter yet so as that the Graft still governs as this Authour elsewhere hath said and as Experience proves B●t the fruits will have k●rn●lls and seeds as before As for taking out the Pith or stopping the juyce of the Pith it is all one as to this intention Concerning the generall Rule in the 517 Experiment I know nothing that will make a Wild tree a Garden tree but grafting it with good kinds of grafts And I am sure grafting will not make any fruit to have lesse Core or stone Plants for want
acquainted with them and know their good properties and virtues in reference to Health and Long●life they will be more diligent in planting Fruit-trees such as are best and fittest for this purpose As the Pear●-maine Pippin G●nnet-Moyle Redstreake and such like whi●h make Cider better then French-winds Concerning the manner of making Cider and Perry with the k●eping and o●dering of it I have spoken at large in my Treati●e ●f Fruit-trees See the use of Fruits pag. 77. A● for Plums it is affirmed that there may be made an excellent wine out of them and also Aquavitae of those that are sweete fat Plum● as Musle plums Damson● c. And though the juyce be too thi●k of it selfe for that purpose yet water Cider or some other Liquor may be mixed therewi●h which being put up into the Ves●ell some Honey Yest or the like must be mixed to cause it to wo●ke It hath beene noted that m●st Trees and specially those that beare Mast are ●●ui●full but once in two yea●es The Cause no doubt is the expence of s●p For many Orchard Trees well cul●ured will be●re divers y●ares together Some Fruit-trees beare store of fruits but once in two yeares and I conceive it to be as naturall so to do as to beare such or such a k●●d of Fruit And others are observed to beare store of F●uits e●●●y yeare constantly unlesse perhaps in some extreame blast●●g spring which spoyles in a manner all But for many ye●●es t●gether eve●y yea●e s●me are knowne to beare Frui●s exceeding full in the same ground and with the same culture as those that beare but each other yeare so that we see the expence of sa● in the ●●aring yeare is not the only Cause that Trees bea●e not the next yeare ●●ter fo● some that expend as much sap do yet beare the next yeare after as full as before So then let care be taken to ●h●se Graf●s from those trees that we see by Experience are the best and m●st const●n● b●arers and b●st fruits The g●●at●r part of T●ees beare most and best on the lower Boughes but some beare b●st on the t●p b●ughes Those that beare b●st below are ●u●h as shade doth more good to then hurt for g●n●rally all fruits bea●e b●st l●west b●cau●e the sap tireth not having but a short way and the●efore in F●uits spread upon walls the low●st are the greatest To my Observation Apple-trees Peare trees Cherry-trees c. that are good bearers they beare all over alike And generally all Fruit●t●ees in these par●s h●ve need enough of the sunne and beare better in the ●unne then in the sh●d● But indeed as to Wall-t●ees most commonly we see most fruits upon the lower boughes and * side●boughes And the reason I apprehend to be this Not the tiring of the sap in its going to the top branches for the sap is too vigorous and too plentifull in the top boughes and thence it is we alwaies see the fairest and greatest shoots towards the top of all w●ll-trees and commonly of all other trees But the cause why the lower boughes and side branches have usually more fruit then the top branches I conceive to be for that the sap naturally presseth upwards in greatest plenty and runneth forth into shoots and branches N●w nat●re being so intent and vigorously active in one work viz. increase of the tree in those branches it doth not put forth it selfe at the same time in that other effect of bearing fruit upon the same branches But now as to the lower boughes and side-branches there na●ure is at work but in a r●misse and weaker d●gree as to the increase of the branches such grow but little because the sap is somewhat obstructed and curbed by bowing the branches downewards and so does attend to the other work also viz. the bearing of Fruits And the truth of this is made more evident if we consider the same thing in all young trees We know young Apple-trees Peare-trees and the like when and while they grow and increase exceedingly in all the parts shooting forth great large strong shoots and branches they beare but littl● fruit or none at all But af●er certaine yeares when they grow not so much when they shoute l●ss● then they fall to bearing fruits more abundantly There be Trees that bear● best when th●y begin to be old As Almonds Peares Vines and all trees that give Mast. The Cause is for that all trees that beare Mast have an oylie Fruit and young trees have a more watry juyce and lesse concocted But the most part of Trees Amongst which are Apples Plums c. bear● best when they are young Pear●-trees Apple-trees Plum● and Cherry trees if they be good ●earing kinds naturally after they are three or foure yeares grow●h and some sooner do all beare store of fruits untill they be extreame old and in a decaying dying condi●ion And there●ore in planting of Fruit-trees be sure to procure those kinds that are knowne by Experience to be good bearers and good fruits and such will beare well both when they are young and when they are old untill extreame age Were I to plant an Orchard or Garden of Fruit-trees and might have Trees at hand freely for nothing of indifferent common kinds a●d but ind●fferent beare●s I would ra●her ch●●e to fetch ●hose tha● are choice kinds and speciall bearers one hundred or two hundred miles if they could not be had neerer and there pay deare for them too besides all other Charges then take those at hand for when men plant Fruit-●r●es It is not for a f●w ye●●es but fo●sev●rall generations therefore take speciall care to have the b●st kinds for bearing and for R●lish or tast that is the foundation of the work the principall thing in planting Now when fruit-trees are growen to extreame old age and therefore be●re but little this m●y be done which will make them as it were young againe for certaine yeares and to beare exc●eding much fruit year●ly That is Cut off their Head● or big bough●s not straight over but a slope that so Raine and moisture may not rest ●pon the top to rot it These great Boughes will the next sommer put forth many young shoots which may be Inoculated the same sommer or Grafted the spring after with speciall bearing kinds And these old Bodies h●ving young heads which draw sap vigorously will be much refreshed thereby and such trees will beare store of fruits many yeares after the Ro●ts of Trees do some of them put down●-wards deep into the ground As the Oake Pine Fi●re c● some spread more towards the surface of the earth As the Ash cypress-Cypresse-tree Olive c. The Ca●se of this l●●●r may be for that such Trees as lov● the sunne do not willi●gly d●scend farre into the Earth It is true The Roots of Oak● Trees and some other kinds shoot d●wne deeper into the Earth then Ash-trees and some other ●●ees May
a Fathome of the water Wine and Beere in these Bottles have kept better then in a Cell●r but those above water were apparently the best The Cause why Beere wine Cider or the like will keepe better thus and in Earth sand c. as before then in V●ssells or Bottles above ground I apprehen● as was said for that the Aire is excluded and the spirits shut in also the Aire above ground is subject to variation● some●imes more hot and sometimes more cold which som●what stirrs and affects the spirits of the Liquor in the Vess●ll whe●●by they become weaker I have heard i● repor●ed for a truth That Bottles of Wine or some other Liquor were found in a deepe draw-well which had been many yeares f●●d up and afterwards opened and cle●sed againe for use and the Liquor was found to be very fresh and good notwithstanding it had l●en there many yeare whereby it is manifest th●t this way of keeping Liquors will preserve it good a long time The IX CENTURY WE have partly touched before the meanes of producing fruits without Cores or stones And this we adde further that the Cause must be abundance of moisture for that the Core and stone are made of a dry sap● And we see that it is possible to mak● a Tr●e put forth o●ly in Blossome without fruit as in Cherries with double flowers much more in fruit without stone or Cores This hath beene spoken to sufficiently before See Experiment 514. It is neither the taking out of the Pi●h as is there prescribed nor the abundance of moisture as here that will work this effect some Trees have a greate deale too much moisture and yet the fruits of such have neverthelesse cores or stones As for the Cherry-tree that puts forth Bloss●ms without Fruits that is not made to do so by any mans Art or Skill but it is naturall I know the kind well it is as naturall for it to beare double blossoms without Fruit as for any other Tree to beare such or such a kind of fruit Trees set upon the back● of Chimneys do ripen fruits sooner Vines that have been drawen in at the window of a Kitchen have sent forth Grapes ripe a mo●th at l●ast before others Thi● is certaine as the Author saie●● such a kind of heate as is upon the back of Chimneys where fire is continually or most commonly kept will much hasten the ripening of fruits I have seene a thin Brick wall whe●e fire hath been kept on the one side and Fruit-trees have been plan●●d on the other side which have brought forth ripe f●uits very early much sooner then the same ●inds without such artificiall heate But as I remember such trees dye soone after bearing they last but one yeare being so much forced with heate it destroyes nature And Branches of Vines being drawen in at the window of a Kitchen or room where fire is kept the fruits will be ripe sooner then those without dores but let it not be too neere the fire lest it wither or over much dry the branch THE END I desire the Reader to amend these faults escaped in Printing PAg. 2. line 1●● for forming● reade forcing of nature p. 30. l. 6. put a full poynt af●er the w●●d Flower p. 30. ● 7. for is read with p. 32. l. the last for vari●ty ●ead 〈◊〉 p. 40. l. the fir●t for winds read wines A Table shewing the Principall things contained in the ensuing Experiments and Observations ACceleration of Germination by s●wing seede upon a hot-bed pag. 1. Steeping of seeds kernells stones c. in Liquors before sowing to make them spring up the sooner p. 2. Watring of Strawberries to hasten their ripening p● 3. Blood and other things applyed to the Roots of trees helps towards th●iving of the Trees and bearing of Fruits moderately and seasonably observed p. 3. Fruits upon the south and East sun ripen soonest p. 3. Digging about the Roots of some Trees is profitable p. 4. Rose-trees bud forth in the house p. 4. Flowers with bulbous Roots grow a time in water p. 4. Pease Radish c. Early p 4. Water nec●ssary to fruit-trees but not overmuch p. 5. Plants housed seas●●ably bud soonest p. 5. To make Roses come late severall meanes p. 5 6 7. Stones weeds muck c. laid about the Roots of new set trees makes them prosper b●tter p. 7. Keepe Trees st●dy at first se●ting p 8. Cut away suckers and side branches as need is p. 8. Branches of some Trees laid in the ground take Roote p● 8. How to take ●ff the Boughes of some trees with Roots p. 8. No descention of sap in Trees divers Arguments against it p. 9. How to make barren Trees fruitfull p. 9 10. Trees against a South-wall beare fruits ripe soonest 10. Pull not off leaves too so●ne p. 10. Fruits on low boughes ripe soon●st p. 11. Graft trees that beare not or beare not good fruits with Grafts of good bearing kinds p. 11. Digging ●bout the Roots of trees profitable to some p. 12. Opening the Roots of old trees and putting in good mould is nec●ssary in barren ground p. 12. Tra●splant trees from bad ground to better p. 12. Cu●ting or scoring the bark of trees● sometimes profitable p. 13. Shade good for some trees p 13. Pull off Blossoms in some Cases p. 13 14. Grafting helpeth not trees exc●pt the Grafts are of good kinds p. 14. G●afts do governe yet partake somewhat of the stock p. 14 15. Fruit-trees of some kernells beare good fruits p. 15 16. Remove Flowers into fresh ●arth p. 16. Regrafting the same Graft mak●s not fruits greater p 16. Cut not off the ●ops of young fig-trees p. 17. Blacke Mulberry-trees great bearers p. 17. Lees of Wine● Blood c. good especially to old trees p. 17. Terebration of trees good for some trees 17. Pricking or scoring some trees profitable p. 18. Swines dung good for trees if moderately used p. 18. Simply grafting doth not meliorat● fruits p. 18. Chuse the b●st Grafts and Stocks p. 18. Rot●en dung b●st for trees p. 19. Fruit growing in Pots p. 19. Set not any Trees below the soyle p. 20. Fruits upon warme walles ripen soonest p. 20. Graft upon the b●st sto●k● p. 20. The Causes of Barrenn●sse of Trees 21 Of Compounding fruits making of s●ve●all kinds one n●w kind 22. Sym●athy● and Antipathy of Plant 23. Severall kinds drawing ●he ●●me ●uyce or sap convert it into their own● Natures p. 24 Of making herbs and Fruits Medicinable p. 25. Curiosities about F●uits and Plants p. 26. Fruits of severall shapes 26. Fruits and trees wi●h insc●iptions● or ingravings upon them p. 26. Set Letters on Fruit-trees to know the kinds p. 27. Trees appa●elled with Flow●rs p. ●7 R●move Flowers into fr●sh mould p. 27 28. Lay Fl●wers to multiply them see how p● 28. Cl●ve-Gilly● Flowers the most u●●full p. 29. White colours more inodorate p 29● White fruits c●mmonly b●st p. 30.
from which they are cut do bring ●orth the same fruits so also do Buds though they be much smaller then grafts when Inoculated upon wild stocks As concerning the choice of stocks in grafting in order to the advancement of fruits it is certaine the goodnesse of the stocks in respect of nature and kind is very considerable The sweeter and better the stock is the better will the fruit be that is engrafted thereon Though it be true that grafts governe and bring forth the same fruits according to their owne kinds yet the stock hath some considerable influence upon the fruit of the graft and thence it is that Peares upon a Quince as the Authour speaks of are better then the ●ame kind upon a wild Peare stock as Experience shewes because a Quince is a more excellent fruit then a wild Peare so the nourishment of the stock● is answerable It is set downe as try'd that a mixture of Brane and Swines dung or Chaffe and Swines-dung rotten is a great nourisher and comforter to a Fruit-tree There is no doubt but Swines dung or any other dung with other Composts laid together till they be rotten will nourish and comfort fruit-trees and better when they are throughly rotten turned to mould then before because new dung may be too hot It is delivered by some that if one take the bough of a low tree newly budded and draw it gently into an earthen Pot perforated at the bottome to let in the Plant and then cover the Pot with earth it will yeild a very large fruit within ground the like will be effected by an empty pot with some few pertusions made in the Pot hang'd in the Tree Concerning the first of these waies I suppose the fruit growing upon the bough so bowed downe into a Pot will not be so large as the fruit upon the other boughes because we see by Experience it is against the nature of sap to runne vigorously or in any great plenty into boughe● bended downewards so neere the earth as this must needs be for sap presseth upwards in greatest plenty and consequently those fruits will be greatest which have most sap I meane such as are of one kind upon one tree And concerning the second m●anes by the perforated Pot hang'd in the tree that is more likely to worke the effect as to the greatnesse of fruit not so much I suppose because of the pertusions or holes in the Pot as by the shade that the fruit has by the Pot for although fruit that growes in the sunn● be much better and more pleasant then that which growes in the shade as being better co●cocted yet that in the shade of the same kind is commonly the g●eater but more flat dull and inconcoct as we see in Apr●cots Cherries c. unde●●he leaves All trees in high and sandy grounds are to be s●t d●ep and in watry ground● more sh●llow And all tr●es when th●y be remov●d ●specially Fruit-tr●●s care ought to be taken that the sides of the Trees be coasted North and South as they stood before It is true that trees on higher grounds are to be set somewhat d●●per then in moist grounds yet bewa●e of setting below the good scyl● in any ground● As for coasting of trees that is seti●g the same side to the South when tran●planted as was before the Rule is good but not necessary for many thousands are transplan●ed w●●h g●od successe not observing which side grew No●th or South howsoever some reasons migh be shew'd why t is best to observe it if it may conveniently be done F●uit-trees set upon a wall against the sunne betweene ●lb●wes or But●eress●s of stone ripen m●re then upon a plaine wall Fruit-trees soset have their fruits ripe sooner then tho●e upon a plaine wall no so much because they are d●fended better from winds but chi●●l● because the● have a double or ●reble d●gree of heate to w●at those upon a plaine wall have the he●te being pent in by the E●b●wes or Bu●ter●sses of the wall and so r●●l●cts the stronger upon the fruits and trees there is a double reflection of heate upon such Grafting Elms or other unfruitfull trees will make their Leaves larg●r as in Fruit-trees the Graft maketh the greater fruit Grafting barely considered as Grafting will not do this it will neither make Leaves nor Fruits fairer but as stocks are chosen for the purpose for though it be true as hath been elsewhere said that Grafts governe and overrule the stocks bringing forth the same leaves and fruits when grafted as before according to their owne Natures yet it is true also that the stocks have some small influence upon them in making the fruits better or worse in tast and bign●sse and so of the leaves in fairenesse according to the goodnesse or badnesse of the stocks yet notwithstanding Graf●s and Buds inoculated may be said to rule and bring forth the same fruits else it were in vaine to Graft Barr●nnesse of trees commeth of their overgrowing with Mosse or their being Hide bound or planting too d●●pe or by issuing of the sap too much into the Leaves There are severall Causes of the barrenn●sse of trees I conceive Mossinesse as Mossinesse is not the cause of barrenn●ss● but the Causes of Mossinesse are the Cau●es of barrennesse which are Coldnesse overmoistnesse and barrennesse of the soyle where the trees grow Therefore such soyles must be amended See how Treatise of Fruit-trees pag. 114. Also barrennesse is often by reason of the excessive sap and moisture of trees which is m●nifest by their strong and vigorou● shoots branches and broad greene leaves as in many young full-fed trees for while nature is vigorous and active spending it selfe that w●y in the excessive growth of the Tree it is then weake and feeble in bearing of fruits Now as to some kinds of trees it is not best for some time to go about to remove the Cause that is as to standard Apple-trees Peare-trees and other kinds which g●ow in the O●chards and fields at large but let them alone let them go on in ●heir large and vigorous growthes for certaine yeares though they beare b●t little provided that we know they a●e naturally of good bearing kinds otherwise it is in vaine to wai●e for store of fruits from such trees After that such trees have growen exceedingly some yeares and attained a faire large growth they will then by degrees grow lesse in the branches and fall to bearing of fruits But in case the trees are Wall-trees and shoo●e excessively and beare not then it will be best to take away the Cause as much as we can that is First abate their overfull and rank nou●ishment by putting in sand gravell Buck-ashes or any thing that is barren insteed of the ●at soyle Secondly also cut off and part one or two of the biggest Roots from the body that so it may have lesse
convert it and assimilate it into their severall natures accord●ng to the inna●e and intrins●call Forme●hat every one hath as was said before of severall kinds of grafts upon one tree The altering of the Sent Colour or Tast of Fruit by infusing mixing or letting into the Bark or Root● of the tree Herb or Flower any coloured ar●maticall or Medicinall substance are but Fancies All alteration of vegetables in those qu●lities must be by somewhat that is apt to go into the nourishment of the Plant. Divers Authours in their Books of planting Fruit-trees have given severall directions for the altering of the Sent Colour and Tast of Fruits but none of them from any well grounded Experience Many particulers are mentioned and set downe at large with reasons and Experience against them that men may not be deceived by them and loose their t●me cost and labour about such Fancies See pag. 91 92. c. of the Treatise of Fruit-trees But as this Authour sa●es well The l●keliest way to make herbs and fruits Medicinable and to give them a good relish is the often watring of the Tree or Plant with that substance which we desire they should pert●ke of for this is certaine and we see it by manifest experience that Plants and fruits of Trees do somewhat tast and partake of the nature and virtues of that kind of nourishment which they continually draw As if Trees grow upon a low m●ist watrish ground the fruits will be more spongy and watrish then the same kinds of fruits where the trees g●ow upon a dry sandy soyle So if Cabbages Turneps Carr●ts and such like grow in a Rancke Soyle full of Fil●h and Dung they have a virtue and relish accordingly not halfe so swee●e and pleasant as the same kinds growing upon pure mo●ld or sweet sandy soyle so here If men think it worth the while if they judge it will answer their labour cost and time to water Fruit-trees herbs plants and flowers with Aromaticall and Medicinall substances Infusions of Cinamon Ginger Cloves Mace and such like spices to give a pleasant relish or for physicall respects with Hell●bore Opium Scammony c. If they can afford to give them enough from time to time of these things wa●ring their Roots abundantly therewith why then its probable such Plants will somewhat pert●ke of their virtues but as for slitting of their Roots or perforating the body of the Tree and infusing the medicine or ste●ping the s●ede or kernell in s●me Liquor wherein the m●dicine is infus●d these I account a● good as nothing not only for that the virtues cannot be commun●ca●ed or trans●used by this meanes but also because though they we●e carried to all the par●s of tree● and plants yet su●h ●mall quantities would be indiscernable the effect would be as nothing at all The VI CENTURY IT is a curiosity to have severall fruits upon one tree some early and s●m● late ripe fruits all s●mm●r This is done by Grafting s●verall ●ruits upon one tree But I conceive the diversity of fruits must be such as w●ll graf● upon the same stocke not contrary kinds It is true as the Authour saies that severall fruits may be graf●ed or Inoculated upon one tree some early and some late but yet as he also observes they must be of such as will take and grow together as many ●inds of Appl●s upon one tree so of Peares and of Ch●rries among thems●lves and the l●ke And it is not true which some Authours have written that Cherries and Plums Figgs Nuts Peaches and such like will grow together upon one tree Yet a Book intituled the Country farme composed by some Doctors of Physicke and other inexperienced men is full of such odde conceits pag. 360 361 c. It is a curi●sity to have fruits of divers shapes and figures● This is easily performed by moulding them when the fruit is young with moulds of earth or wood ●f severall shapes on the inner side as it is in mould workes of Liquid thing●● let the moulds be made partible in the middle that they may be opened Also Trees or Fruits may be with Inscriptions and engravings upon them by writing with a N●edle or Bodkin or Knife when the Trees and Fruits are young and as they grow greater so the Letters or figures will be more plaine If men be not content with the Naturall forme of Fruits they may if they have so much leasure to sp●re put them into moulds as is said to make them of an artificiall forme As for Inscriptions figures● and shapes upon Fruit trees that is as the Authour saies performed by scoring through the Ba●ke with the poynt of a knife in the spring or summer what Letters● or Words or Figures a man pleaseth which as the tree growes will become more plaine and discernable and that for many yeares after I use to make a Letter or two or three or more upon all young trees that I graft whereby to know the severall kinds of Fruits or if any be stolen and found againe they may thereby be knowne And I have perceived the Letters plainely Nine or Ten yeares after or more But as for the prescriptions of some Authours about these things they are vaine and ridiculous who direct to write upon the kernell● of seeds that we sow and set and upon the Buds that we inoculate what letters or shape we please and the fruits coming thereof will have the sam● upon them See hereof Treatise of Fruit-trees pag. 97. You may have Trees apparelled with Flowers or herbs by boring holes in the bodies of them and putting into them good mould and setting slips or ●owing seeds therein those Roots of a more Ligneous nature will perhaps inco●porate with the tree it selfe This is a Curiosity indeed which may be done as the Authour saies by m●king h●les in Trees and putting in good mould care must be taken to make them slopewaies with the bottome downewards that so both mould and moisture may keepe in them about the Roots of things that are set But yet I should be loath to spoyle a good tree thus for it must needs make it rot and perish in a certaine time howsoever for one or two of indifferent kinds it may ra●her be admitted for satis●action in this Curiosity Beauty in Flowers is their preheminence It is observed that Gilly-flowers Violets c. that are coloured if they be negl●cted and not watred nor n●w moulded nor tra●splanted will turne white And its probable that the white with much cultur● may turne colour●d I doubt not but that the Flowers aforementioned and diver● o●her ●inds will not only l●o●e the beauty of their Colo●rs if they be not sometimes removed into new and b●tter mould but also that they will in time change from double to single or else be much ●mal●r then they will be in fr●sh● strong mould Therefore every o●her yeare at least let
Authour s●ies by the coldnesse and scantn●sse of the nour●shment And therefore there is neede besides the scraping off of the Mosse to lay the Roots of fruit-Fruit-trees as dry as may be in such moist grounds by tre●ching or otherwise and also to bring in some soyles to make the g●ound b●tter and warmer as much as may be It is to be noted● that commonly trees that ripen their fruits latest do blossome soonest S●me fruit-Fruit-trees indeed which bring forth their fruits to perfect●on and ripenesse late in the yeare do blossome early as having neede of the heate of the sunne to ripen them all the sommer But some other kinds blossome early and ripen the●r Fruits also ea●ly As May Cherry trees the Premorden●plum also the Mirabilon plum-tree blossomes exceeding early and the tree brings forth his Fruit early I have got ripe plums from this tree about the beginning of Iuly which is early for Plums There be fruits but rar●ly that come twice a yeare As some Peares strawberries c. Roses beare twice but it is not wit●out cutting The Winsor Peare-tree does blossome and beare fruits twice in the year● some yeares but the second bearing I cou●d never see worth the ga●hering for they are poore small hard fruits not worth any thing I have seen Cherries twice in the yeare upon one and the same tree An early Flanders which I set upon a very warme southwall bore ripe Cherries about the twenteth of May And the same tree bore a couple of ripe Cherries afterwards the one about the sixth of Octob●r the other a fortnight after Strawberries ordinarily beare twice a y●are though but few the second time As for Rose-trees some damask Roses and some Provosts beare a second time the same yeare though but few if cut soone after the first bearing in the full Moone But besides there is a Rose-tree called the Monthly Ro●e which beares Roses untill the coldnesse of the winter stop it about November Nothing procureth the lasting of Tr●es Bushes and He●bs so much as oft●n cutting For every cutting causeth a Renovation of the juyce of the Plant that is neither go●th so farre nor riseth so faintly as when the plant is not cut This is to be considered in cutting of trees else insteed of making them last longer we shorten their lives That i● that we so cut them that the wet and moisture get not into their bodies which in certaine yeares will ●ot and spoyle them as we see in many pollard trees which are hollow all along their bodies And many Fruit-trees having had their heads cut off when they were great Trees and grafted againe we see the wet and moisture gets in at the top before the Grafts can cover the head and rots the tree which can never grow great after nor last long but rot● and decayes in few ye●res Whereas Trees that are sound Fruit-trees and all other kinds must needs last much longer yet as to cutting of side branches and all supe●fluous branches which are not great that conduceth to the lasting of Trees as giving the more plentifull and vig●rous nourishment to those that are left and to the whole body The VII CENTURY QVinces or Apples if you will keepe them long drowne them in Honey but because Honey perhaps will give them a tast overlushious it were good to make tryall in powder of sugar or in ●yrrup of wine only boyled to height As for keeping of Apples keeping them in honey or sugar would be too costly some Pippins and Iohn Apples will of themselves last till new come againe its good then to get such kinds that we may have for use all the yeare long● without charge in keeping And for keeping Quinces they are kept long in pickle made of the Pa●ings and Cores● of those that are used for Marmalade well boyled in water with Salt and Ginger Or a better way as some account is to ●eepe them in small Ale a penny a Gallon and to draw i● off once in ten or twelve da●es and put in f●esh thus it s said they will last two yeares Take Grapes and hang them in an empty V●ss●ll well stopped and s●t the V●ss●ll not in a Cellar but in some dry place and its said th●y will last lo●g Grapes will keepe for some short time in this manner as hath been said but when cold moist Aire towards winter comes on they will begin to mould and ●ot I have kept some in Glasse as close stop● with Cork● and wax as I could supposing the exclusion of Aire had been best but though they were good certaine weekes yet afterwards they began to perish I account it better to hang the Bunches in a Kitchin or some warme Roome where fire is much kept that so some of their supe●fl●ous moisture may be a little dryed up I have kept them thus many weekes For though the Aire be much shut out from them in any V●ss●ll yet that A●re that is shut in with them and their owne naturall moisture will cause putrefaction therefore there is neede of some degree of warmth with dryn●sse Cut off some of the wood with the Bunches and cover them with Paper from dust and hang them up Also a Vine Branch full of ripe Grapes may be drawne in at a window and Nailed up upon the w●ll or ●eeling letting the br●nch grow still to the Vine thus they will keepe long The juyces of Fruits are either watry or oylie I reckon amongst the watry all the fruits out of which drinke is expressed as the Grape the Apple the Peare the Cherry the Pome-granate c. And th●re are some others which though they be not in use for drinke yet they appeare to be of the same nature As Plums Mulberries Services Rasps c. And for those juyces that are so fleshy as they cannot make drinke by expression yet perhaps they may make drinke by mixture of water And some of the watry juyces after they have gathered spirit will burn● and inflame as wine Concerning the juyces of Apples Peares and Cherries these are well knowne and much in use and esteeme the two former with us in England and all of them in other parts And we might have wine of Cherries as plentifull in England as it is beyond-sea if men would but plant store of Cherry trees of the best kinds such as are fittest for this purpose As the Morello-Cherry the Charoone the Black-hart and other k●nds which have a pleasant tast the j●yce of which is of a deepe red colour These would make a delicate wine especially for sommer time And which will last also all the yeare as I have heard it credibly spoken by a worthy gentleman who dranke good Cherry wine of a Twelve month old A● for Cider and Perry these Liquors especially Cider begin to be better knowne to us in some parts where they have scarce beene heretofore And doubtlesse when men are better
TO make Roses come late First cut them after bearing This may be a meanes as to some Rose-trees that is such as are old I have knowne some of long standing perhaps a dozen sixteene or twenty yeares of age and some of seaven or eight yea●es cut newly after bearing have borne Roses againe a sec●nd time late in the yeare being cut the next full moone after they have done bearing but there is a kind I have amongst many other k●nds which naturally beares a second time although the tree be but small and young besides the Rose called the Monthly Rose Secondly Pulling off the buds of the Roses that first spring forth I have try'd this second way which succeeded not it may be because the trees were young but one affirmed he pluckt off some Buds in the spring and the tree bore Roses in November Thirdly Cutting top Boughes in the spring This hath b●en tryed also but was ineffectuall but the tryall was upon young trees as for the Report that followes in this Experim●nt of Cyons perishing if the old top boughes be cut off● it is otherw●se for it is a common Experiment to cut off all the boughs of a tree and to graft them and the Grafts will not only not perish but grow the better therefore as having all the s●p to themselves which naturally riseth the sunne also drawing it up without the help of any top bough left as continuall Experience sh●wes Fourthly Laying the Roots bare about the end of December M●ny hundred● of trees are thus bared yet I find no difference at all in the late budding or bearing of such trees from others Fifthly Removing the tree some Months before it buddeth This hath been done but the Trees being removed so unseasonably too late they grew poorely so the end was not attained Sixthly Grafting Roses in May I know an ingenious Ge●tleman that tryed this Experiment● Inoculating Buds in the spring which budded for Roses at the same time that others of the same kind did which buds being cut off they bore Roses afterwards the same yeare when others were gone Seaventhly Girding the body of the tree with some Packthread This will not do it neither we see commonly that grafts tyed straight with strong flaggs and some branches of wall-trees nailed straight to the wall so that I have seene the bark dinted in with the straitnesse of the Lether yet for all that sap riseth plentifully through the place so girded up into the branch Eightly Planting them in the shade I have knowne Rose-trees in a shady place which have not bore at all it s a tree that loves the sunne So that I suppose this Experiment will not hold I have try'd it in one or too and it succeeds not Experiments touching the Melioration of Fruits Trees and Plants AN heape of Flint or stone laid about the bottome of a Tree upon the fi●st Planting mak●s it prosper much Stones laid to the Roots of Fruit-trees when newly set is a good Experiment in some grounds but not in all its true stones so laid keep the Roote of the Tree somewhat more moist and warme and stedy that winds shake it not and so are profitable but there is danger in some grounds le●t they harbor●Ants or Pismires about the Tree Root under the stones which I have seen to the hurt and destruction of divers young trees But it is a s●fer and better way to lay a good quantity of rotten dung or litter straw c. round about the Roots of new set Trees upon the top of the mould this keeps them warme in winter and coole and moist in sommer and Stedy and the moisture and fatnesse of the muck sokes downe to the Roots and refreshes the tree very much or for want thereof lay a heap of weeds round about the new set t●ee Root● and so all the next sommer af●er these things are speciall advantages to new set t●ees A Tr●e at fi●st setting should not be shaken but a●ter a yeares ro●ti●g th●n s●aking is good When y●ung Trees are first planted it s very convenient to set a st●ke to each of them and tye them together with a hay band or some ●o●t band that winds shake them not and this not for a yeare only but divers yeares untill the young trees be we●l rooted in the earth and also be growne strong that the winds ●ow not their bodie● and cause them to grow crooked which fault I have seene in very many trees Cutting away suckers and side boughes make trees grow high All su●k●rs must be cut away from the Roots of Trees And as for side branches those may be cut as men are minded to have their Trees to spread neerer or high●r from the ground but cu● not the side branches too soone b●fore the body be growne stro●g enough to beare the head else it will be top heavy and g●ow crooked To have many new Roots of fruit-Fruit-trees lay the Branches in the g●ound c. The branch●s of all kinds of trees will not take Roote thus Thi● way of P●opagation is only for some kinds As Mulberries Fig● Vine● Q●o●li●gs Nurs-gardens and some other kinds of T●ee● whose branc●●s are sof● and porous As for Aprecots P●aches and such like they will not take Roote thus I have try'd but not one Roote could be got neither will they take w●●h graft●ng I have try'd many The way to propagate these kind● is by Inocula●ing bu●s upon young stocks full of ●ap From May to Iuly you may take off the barke of any bough c. and set it and it will grow to be a faire tree in one yeare the cause may be for that the baring from the barke keepeth the sap from descending towards winter It is true that the Boughes of some kinds of trees will take Roote in this manner as is here exprest that is such kinds as will take roote with laying downe in the ground mentioned in the last Experiment which being cut off and set may grow to be a f●ire tree in certaine yeares not in one yeare as is said for the Roots got in this manner are but small and very disproportionable to the bough so that it can come on but very poorely and slowly for divers yeares As for the baring from the barke which is supposed to keepe sap from descending towards Winter I say the sap is as farre from descending when the barke is on as when t is off there 's no such thing in nature as descention of sap in any trees whatsoever This worthy Authour took this upon trust according to the generall opinion of men for had he but stayed a little to consider it he would have found it groundlesse and a meere conceit For all the sap that asscends into the body and bran●hes of a tree is changed into wood barke buds blossomes leaves
and fruits it is turned into that body and substance which we see above ground and none at all descends at any time for there is no Cause and therefore no such effect sap is continually asscending all the yeare long more or lesse either for the growth of the tree or for the conservation of it in life and in all its dimension● for there is a continuall extraction of sap out of the body boughes and branches by the sunne and aire as this Au●hour elsewhere asserts and which Experience proves Now if there were at any time a descention also what then would become of the tree it would q●ickly wither be cont●acted and shrinke apparently whosoever is unsatisfied with what is here said against descention of sap in trees may see hereof more largely many Arguments against it in my Treatise of Fruit-trees● pag. 100.101.102 c. If Trees beare not bore a hole through the heart of the tree and it will beare Perhaps this course may do some good in letting out superfluous sap if too much repletion be the cause But there are divers other Causes of barrennesse of Fruit-trees As too deepe setting the Roots running downe into gravell Clay water c. which must have answerable remedies And sometimes it is in the nature of the trees that all the culture in the world used to the Roots and body will not help without engrafting the branches with Grafts of some good bearing kinds which is the best way I know to have store of good fruits and speedily too from barren trees To make Trees beare cleave the chiefe Roots and put in a small pebble This may be profitable not only for that the Roote may be bark-bound as well as the body and branches which must be scored downe and cut to the wood but also it will cause the Roots to shoote forth many young small Roots at the place opened which will afford more vigour life and sap to the branches and so make the tree stronger and more in heart and able to bring forth more and fairer fruits Trees against a south-wall have more of the heate of the sunne then when they grow round Aprecots Peaches and such like cold fruits will scarce ripen but against a south-wall they have need both of the direct and reflex beames of the sunne And if it were more practised to set some other choice kinds of fruits upon a south-wall as the great Burgaim●t sommer Boncriteu Greene-field Peare and other speciall kinds this would advantage them greatly not only in bignesse but also in their early ripening and goodnesse of tast thus one or a few would be worth many ordinary ones Some pull off the leaves from wall-trees that the sunne may come the better upon the boughs and fruit This may hasten ripening but I conceive it hinders the bignesse of the fruits the sunne ripening them before they have attained their naturall greatnesse in case it prove then very hot weather so that if leaves be pulled off it should not be till fruits are at biggest The lownesse of the bough maketh the fruit greater and to ripen b●tter c. Graft a tree low and maintaine only the lower bough● Low trees and the lower boughs of high trees have their fruit ripe somewhat sooner then the higher because they have some benefit by the reflection of the sunne from the Earth as well as from the wall if they grow against a wall but that the fruits are greater on lower then on higher boughs I perceive not I am sure I have seene sometimes faire fruit on the higher boughes and but small on the lower in case the branches of a wall-tree have beene permitted to grow straight upwards without bowing downe along the wall as most commonly they be and the reason is plaine because the most and greatest quantity of sap presseth upwards and leaveth the side branches indigent of sap whereby they grow poorely and some even dye for want of sap now according to the quantity of sap in branches so are the fruits smaller or greater It is true indeed many little and low trees if they be vigorous and shoote well beare very large fruits it may be larger then high trees of the same kinds but this is not because low but because they are more lively and vigorous then the other And if we should graft a Tree low and maintaine only the low●r branches by continually cutting off the higher this would much enfeeble the tree by deg●ees by obstructing of the s●p and the fruit would be accordingly But the b●st way to order a wall-tree that shoots upwards strongly is to bow those strong branches along the wall both waies and then there will be as large fruits on the lower as on the higher boughes and sooner ripe To have fruit in greater plenty the way is to graft not only upon young st●cks but upon divers boughs of an old tree c. It is an excellent Experiment to graft the boughes of an old tree that is a bad bearer or bears bad fruits with grafts of some speciall good bearing kinds for this will have large branches and beare fruits even in a yeare or two so that it is a very unwise course of many who when some of their trees beare not as they would have them cut them downe and set young ones in their Roome which cannot possibly attaine the bignesse of the former in many yeares Digging yearely about the Roots of Trees is a great meanes both to the acc●leration and melioration of fruits c. Old trees that grow in stiffe cold clay grounds have most neede to be dug about yearely that thereby the gound may be more open and mellow but for young trees of few yeares standing especially if in sandy● mell●w grounds these have little or no neede at all of digging about To dig about Roses and such like which g●ow nee●e the top of the ground● I conceive it is needlesse for this w●rk is chi●fly to open the earth about old fruit-fruit-trees whose Roo●s are growne great and deepe that the Rain● Snow and Sunne in win●er may reach the bottome Roots A Fruit-tree almost blowne up by the Roots and set up againe the n●xt yeare bore exceedingly loosing the earth comforteth any Tree I was not long since at the raising up of a couple of faire App●e-trees blowne downe the one Rooted and bore well afterwards the other died Though digging about the Roots sometimes be good yet overmuch digging and loosening the earth about the Roots of trees will cause many to be blowne downe by great winds which will not fasten againe to abide a strong wind in many yeares if ever To revive an old tree the digging of it about the Roots and applying new mould to the Roots is the way and change of mould to the better is pr●fitable D●gg●ng as hath beene said with caution is good and change of
nourishment and that left will turne to fruits Thirdly Bend downewards the branches and fasten them to the wall with their tops as low as may be this obstructs and restraines the excessive ●●sing of sap which rising moder●tely turnes to frui●● But if the Trees are Naturally bad bearers if barren upon that account then there is no remedy for such but grafting them ag●in with Grafts taken from some good bearing kinds which are knowne by yearely experience to beare fruits well It hath be●ne set downe by one of the Ancients that two twiggs of severall Fruit-trees flatted on the sides and bound together and set th●y will come up in one stock And that Vines of red and white grapes slatted and bound tog●ther will beare Grapes of severall colours upon one branch Al●o the shoots of divers seeds will incorporate And that young trees of severall kinds set contiguous will incorporate These and such like are prescribed in order to the compounding of Fruits Concerning compounding or mixing of divers kinds of fruits whereof to make one new kind these things before mentioned and many such like have beene prescribed by Ancient Authours which are of the number of those things (a) Sr Francis Bacon accounts meere imaginations and conceits without any ground or light f●om Experi●nce He saies (b) elsewhere That many things have beene rashly and with little ch●ice or judgment receiv●d and registred as app●ares in the writings of divers Authours which a●e eve●y where fra●ght and forged with fabulous reports and those not only uncerta●●e and untry●d but notoriously untrue to the great derogation of Naturall Philosophy with grave and sober men As for those things before mentioned they can never effect what is promised to produce compound fruits For we see by continuall Experienc● that Grafts and Buds though never so small set up●n st●cks of different kinds do hold their owne and k●epe their kinds and so it would be if two long shoots were united or three or many if it were possible to make them incorporate and become one body yet they would retaine every one their owne nature and bring forth each its owne kind of fruit without commixture If any man desire to be set on work about these things he may have p●escriptions eno●gh out of a certaine Book entituled the Country Farme pag. 360 361 362 363 364 365 c. For more full satisfaction about which and all of that nature see my Treatise of Fruit-trees pag. 91 92 93 c. where these things are spoken to largely But if the thing be possible in Nature to mix and compound fruits the likeliest way that I apprehend is this which I h●ve upon tryall but is not yet come to an issue viz To graft one fruit upon another many times over every yeare a d●fferent kind● so that we keepe still to those kinds that will grow together As first to gra●t a Crab tree neere the ground with some good kind of Apple graft and the next yeare to graft that ag●ine a handfull or two above where the first was grafted and the next yeare to graft that second graft and the fourth yeare to graft that third graft a handfull or two above where it was grafted and thus every yeare to set graft upon graft for divers yeares together this probably may make some alteration and commixture in the top branch and its fruit although it be true that every graft keep● his owne nature yet so as that it receives some small alteration from the sto●k as hath beene said Now the sap arising and passing th●ough so many kinds of stocks as before up into the top branches this if any thing I conceive will have an influence into the fruit of the last graft to cause some comm●xture more o● lesse in the fruit the sap passing through so many kinds of stocks Thus as of many kinds of Apples together so also of Peares among themselves and of Cherries and Plums among themselves but as for mixing contrary kinds Apples Peares Cherries Plum● c. all together as some prescribe there is no hope nor possibility of any advantage thereby All Plants that draw much nourishment from the earth and exhaust it hurt all things that grow by them as Ash-trees Coleworts c. And where Plants of severall natures which draw severall juyces are set together there the neerenesse doth good As Rue by a Fig-tree Garlicke by a Rose-tree c. It is true indeed That all Trees and Plants that draw much nourishment from the earth are no good neighbours to any thing that growes neere them because such make the earth barren in which plants must needs grow poorely But that severall kinds of Plants draw severall kinds of juyces out of one and the same soyle I much question as that bitter plants Rue Wormwood and the like draw the bitter juyce of the earth and the sweeter kinds as Roses Flowers c. draw the sweeter juyce For can it be immagined that there are so many kinds of juyces in the earth as there are severall kinds of Trees and Plants so that every one should draw only its proper and peculiar nourishment May it not upon better grounds be said that many Trees and Plants growing neere together in a piece of ground though they draw all of them one and the same juyce yet they convert assimilate the same every one into its owne specifique nature We see that in a little Garden where there are it may be divers hundreds or thousands of distinct Plants Trees Flowers Herbs and Simples they growing all upon one and the same soyle do convert the juyce and fatnesse of it into their severall natures by the same Law in Nature as severall kinds of Grafts upon one Tree drawing one and the same Sap do turne that one kind of nourishment into their severall natures whereby they bring forth as we see by experience distinct and severall kinds of Fruits made of the same single juyce or sap of the Tree whereon they all grow this they would do if there were all or many kinds of Apples grafted upon one great Crab-tree and so of Peare-trees Cherry-trees and the like upon their owne kinds though multitudes of distinct kinds of grafts draw one and the same sap yet every one changes it into its owne nature and why should it not be so also with severall plants drawing one and the same juyce out of the earth So that I cannot conceive that those things mentioned or the like if try'd would succeed to the purpose viz That Rue set by a Fig-tree will make the Figs tast sweeter or Garlike set by Rose-trees will make Roses smell sweeter or sorrell set by Rasps will make the Rasps sweeter and the like because severall or contrary kinds of Plants meete not with severall kinds of juyces in the same Soyle sh●ll we think there are hundreds or thousands of severall juyces in one Garden though they draw the same juyce they
of Culture degenerate to be baser in the same kind and sometim●s to change into another kind 1. By standing long unremoved 2. By drought and drynesse of the Earth 3. By the Barrennesse of the earth removing Plants into worse mould or forbearing to renew and help the ground with dung or fresh mould It hath been (a) said That Violets and some other Flowers will change from double to single or change in colour when the mould wherein they grow becomes barren and hartl●sse through neglect which is the same in substance with all the three particulars mentioned in the Experiment Therefore there is need of some fresh mould from yeare to yeare for the preserving of Flowers in their perfection See hereof at large Experiment 506. and 510. Whatsoever Fruit useth to be set upon a Roote or slip if it be sowen will d●generate And most of those Fruits that use to be Grafted if th●y be set of kernells or stones degenerate It is true that Peaches do better upon stones set then upon Grafting And the Rule of exception should seeme to be this That whatsoever Plant requireth much moisture prospereth better upon the stone or kernell then upon the Graft For the stock though it giveth a finer nourishment yet it giveth a scanter than the Earth at large The reason why Fruits that come of Seede or stones do degenerate for the most part and become worse then the Fruits out of which the seede was taken I conceive to be this Fruits that come of seede or stones do partake both of the Graft and of the stock of that tree from which they were taken so that although the graft was of a speciall good and choice kind yet the stock whereon it was engrafted being a Crabtree or some other wild kind of Fruit-tree the seede participates of both Graft and stock and so brings forth a mungrell fruit between them both For although Grafts governe as hath beene said and may be said to bring forth the same kinds yet so as that the stock hath some influence into the Fruits according to the goodn●sse or badnesse of the stock But now In case the Tree from which seeds or stones are taken be an ungrafted tree one that came of seede it selfe then I doubt not but that the seede of that Tree will bring forth the very same kinds againe without any alteration As to that the Authour saies concerning Peaches that they come better of stones then grafting I suppose there is a mistake in this for although it be true that some Peaches will come good of seede yet doubtlesse not better then by Inoculating they take not with Grafting for we see by constant Experience that Peach Buds set upon good stocks will bring forth the very sam● as the trees from which they were cut if the rest of their culture and ordering be the same or as good And as for some that have come of stones I have observ'd they have beene none of the best many that have come of stones have beene starke nought though some have beene good And why Peaches or any other kind of fruit should be thought to come better of stones or s●eds then by Grafting or Inoculating I apprehend not any reason as for that which is given That the stock giveth a scanter nourishment then the earth at large let it be considered The Twigs and Branches of a Peach tree or any other tree that came of seede or stones they receive sap and nourishment from a stem or body and Roote as w●ll as if the Tree were engrafted the twigs and branches of an ingrafted tree have as free and full nourishment without any obstruction as the branches of a●ungrafted tree the branches of a grafted tree have no finer nourishment no●scanter then the branches of an ungrafted tr●● for we know the Roote and Body of a Graf●ed tree and of an ungrafted tree are alike and the earth is as free to the one as to the other It is reported● That a good strong Canvas spread over a tree grafted low soone after it putteth forth will dwarfe it and make it spread The Cause is plaine for that all things grow as they find roome It is true as is said That Cloth sometimes spread over a tree grafted low and suffered to lye on for a time will cause it to spread much And that this may be improved for our use and benifit this may be done To plant some few Cherry trees Plum trees or other kinds grafted low and caused to spread much and kept from rising up by this meanes keep the earth bare cleane from weeds grasse or any thing growing under or about them such trees if they be good kinds will beare much and fairer fruits then high trees the reflection of heate from the earth will be almost as strong as from a wall And the fruits may be kept long growing upon the Trees even till after September or October For if a Cloth be sometimes in hot weather spread over them and moistned it will keep the fruits from ripening too soone yet shade them not too much lest they come not to full ripenesse Afterwards the fruits being ripe some old Canvas haire-cloth or such like may be spread over them to preserve the fruits from Birds and may be so kept long look that snailes eate them not Or else a Net may be spread over such trees to preserve the Fruits I have knowne faire Cherries upon Trees towards the middle of October I conceive the great bearing Cherry or other late ripe tart Cherries to be the best to keepe long in this manner such are more hardy then other kinds Cherries very late are as great Rarities as those that are early Trees are generally set of Roots or kernells but if you set them of slips as the Mulberry c. they will grow and those as is reported will be dwarfe trees the Cause is for that the slip draweth nourishment more weakly then either a Roote or kernell Mulberry-tree slips and some other kinds of trees that will grow of slips may be made dwarfe trees if we will order them accordingly that is if we suffer all the side branches to grow or such slips taking Roote may be made high trees in time if we cut off all the side branches and preserve only the middle straight shoote But indeed at first for certaine yeares they must needs be dwarfe trees untill they can rise higher which in time they will do if they take Roote well and the ground be good In Clay grounds all fruit-Fruit-trees grow full of Mosse both upon body and Boughes which is caused partly by the coldnesse of the ground whereby the Plants nourish lesse And partly by the Toughnesse of the earth whereby the sap is shut in c. We see by Experience that trees growing upon cold and moist grounds or Clay grav●ll barr●n grounds do generally breed Moss● which is caused as the
not the R●ason be why some put their Roots de●per then others b●c●●se those Trees have gr●ater and larger bodies then others a●d Nature layes the foundation answerable to what is to be set upon it Now O●kes being the greatest Trees Nature is wise enough acco●ding to a Law God ha●h put into it to make the Roote or foundation Answerable O●he●wise I conceive the Roots of all trees would be as neere the top of the groun● as may be as loving the sun as having an absolute need of it in order to their growth And I am perswaded that the appetite of the spirit in all ●●ees whatsoever one as well as another is upwards and not downewards and never exerts it selfe down●-wards but upon necessity and in order or in subordination to the growth of the body of the tree above ground It hath been Observed that a Branch of a Tree being unbarked some space at the bo●tome and so set into the ground even of such trees as if the barke were set on they would not grow yet contrariwise we see that a Tree ●ared round in the body above gr●und will dye The cause may be for that the unbarkt part draweth the nourishment best but the barke continueth it only It is true●some branches that are unbark't at the bottome and set in the ground will grow of some kinds of Apple-trees As the Quodling Nursgarden Moyse and some other kinds that have soft barks● Not because not I suppose the sooner for that the branch is unbark't for such will grow of cutting● or slips though they be not at all unbark't And those that be unbark't and grow it is not the unbark't par● that draweth nourish ne●t best nor th●t draweth it at all but the Roots put forth from the barke even at the very edge of the cut part and also some breake out of the Bark where it is not cut As we see in those branches of Trees from which we get Roots while they grow upon the tree by disb●●king of them an inch round and tying mould about See how at large Treatis● of Fruit-trees p. 136. The grafting of Vines upon Vines as I take it is not now in use the Ancients had it and that th●ee waies The first was insition which is the ordinary manner of grafting The second was Terebra●ion through the middle of the stocke● and putting in the Cions there And the third was p●ring of two Vines that grow together to the marrow and binding them close I have tryed severall waies to graft Vines by cleving or insition as the Author calls it and also by pari●g two Vines the stock and Graft on two sides which is my usuall and best way of grafting other Fruit-trees but neither took effect so that I am perswaded those Fruit-trees that are so easily propagated by other meanes as by laying downe the Branches into the earth and by cuttings that these will not take with Grafting or Inoculating as Vines Mulberries c. I have tryed many Experiments about Mu●berries both for grafting and Inoculating ●pon severall kinds of stock● and yet none succeeded but Mulberries are increased by laying downe the Branches and by cutting as Vines are so that I conceive this grafting mentioned by some Ancient Authors is but a conceit of theirs a grafting in the braine insteed of a reall Exp●riment like multitudes of other things recorded by some who its probable by what they say had no Experimentall knowledge in the things they spake As for Ma●uration of fruits it is effected by heate motion attract●on and by a rudiment of putrefaction for the inception of putrefaction hath in it a maturation Concerning the maturation or speedy ripe●ing or concocting of Fruits all kinds of Heate as the Author saies hastneth it faster or slower according to the degree of heate As we see by Experience Apples or Peares laid upon a heape together being newly gathered they m●llow and rip●n faster then if they lay single at distance one f●om another Al●o Apples covered in Lime hay● straw c. will be m●ll●w in a short time But the most speedy way to ripen hard fruits and to abate the grosse tartnesse of them is the common Experiment by a gentle heate before the fire or in an Oven after bread is drawen So we see as the A●thor obse●ves If fruits are eate with Wasps Hornets Bird● c. some part of them the rest sweeten and rip●n sooner putrefaction beg●nning and hastning by reason of solution of continuity in that part We see that Beere or Wine in Bottles close stopped lasts long And that Fruits closed in Wax k●epe fresh And lik●wise bodies put in Hony and Flower keepe more fresh It is true th●t Liquors when they are well setled in the V●ss●ll after a certaine time and after drawen ou● into B●ttles and stopped very close with Corke and set in a C●ll●r or buried in sand such will be much more fresh and quick th●● th●●●me Liquor in a gre●t Vessell especially if any part of it be drawen off And therefore this is a good way to keep Cider Perry White-wine or the like and that for a long time ●ogether As for Fruits closed in wax or put in honey I find that even Cherries which are more subject to corruption ●hen many other k●nds of fruits will keep fresh many weekes toge●her more then they will do of themselves in the open Aire exclusion of Aire preserve● them for a time but yet putre●ac●ion at length will worke within because of the superfluous moisture which h●d need of drying up I have tryed Fruits in Hon●y Aprecots Plums Cherries and they held good two or three Monthes a●terwards pu●re●action began A Bottle of Beere buried foure foote d●epe in the ground became more liv●ly better tasted and clear●r then it was● and a Bottle of Wine in like manner A Bottle of Vineger so buried came forth more lively and more ●doriferous smelling almost like a Vi●l●t after a Month buriall all the three came forth● as fresh and lively if not better then before This is certaine That Beere Ale Cider and Wine when well setled and cleared in the Vessell and drawen off into Bottles and well stopt with Corke and wax will continue fr●sh and good much longer then in the Vessell If the Bottles are buried in sand as was said before or buried a yard or more in the ground The reason I conceive is for that as no Aire can possibly penetrate so deepe and through the Bottle to the Liquor nor can the spirits of the Liquor in the least get out so neither can the Liquor suffer any prejudice by alteration of the Aire from heate to cold as it does in vessells above ground Tryall hath beene made with earthen Bottles well stopped hanged in a well of Twenty Fathome deepe at the least and some of the Bottles have been let downe into the water some others have hanged above w●th●in about