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A16701 The apologie of the Romane Church deuided into three seuerall tractes whereof 1. The first, concerneth the antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane religion ever since the Apostles time. 2. The second that the Protestantes religion was not so much as in being, at or before Luthers first appearing. 3. The thirde that Catholickes are no lesse loyall and dutifull to their soveraigne, then Protestantes. All which are vndertaken and proued by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues. Anderton, Lawrence.; Anderton, James, fl. 1624, attributed name. 1604 (1604) STC 3604; ESTC S119868 294,461 212

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bullenger_n do_v collect_v from_o the_o scripture_n be_v evermore_o to_o continue_v even_o during_o the_o great_a persecution_n and_o seduce_v by_o antichrist_n luther_n himself_o immediate_o before_o his_o first_o preach_v against_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o a_o profess_a member_n of_o any_o church_n of_o protestant_n they_o know_v to_o be_v in_o be_v but_o be_v a_o know_a catholic_a even_o 180._o even_o simon_n de_fw-fr voyon_n in_o his_o discourse_n upon_o the_o catallog_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 180._o a_o augustine_n friar_n and_o as_o himself_o protest_v 312._o protest_v luther_n say_v hereof_o casu_fw-la non_fw-la voluntate_fw-la in_o illas_fw-la turbas_fw-la incidi_fw-la deum_fw-la ipsum_fw-la testor_fw-la witness_v hereof_o his_o own_o scholar_n timotheus_n kirchmeru●_n in_o his_o thesaurus_fw-la &c._n &c._n in_o epist_n nuncupatoria_fw-la versus_fw-la finem_fw-la and_o jacebus_n andreas_n in_o confut_o disput_fw-la joan._n jacob_n grinaei_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 312._o he_o fall_v into_o the_o trouble_n or_o as_o he_o term_v it_o involueret_fw-la it_o luther_n in_o loc_n commun_n clasi_fw-la 4._o pag._n 58._o paulo_fw-la ante_fw-la med_a say_v initio_fw-la euangelij_fw-la cum_fw-la deus_fw-la in_o hanc_fw-la ut_fw-la sic_fw-la votem_fw-la factionem_fw-la preter_fw-la meam_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la per_fw-la mirabiles_fw-la occasiones_fw-la i_o involueret_fw-la faction_n of_o
and_o want_n of_o their_o church_n pastor_n and_o doctor_n of_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n for_o and_o during_o the_o age_n next_o before_o luther_n whereunto_o we_o further_o add_v that_o the_o protestant_n doctrine_n of_o justification_n by_o only_a faith_n which_o themselves_o affirm_v to_o be_v d●nii_fw-la be_v mr._n charke_n in_o the_o tower_n disputation_n the_o four_o day_n conference_n arg._n 1._o d●nii_fw-la the_o so●l●_n of_o the_o church_n medium_n church_n mr._n fox_n act_n mon._n pag._n 402._o a._n circa_fw-la medium_n the_o only_a principal_a ●●gine_n of_o salvation_n and_o medium_n and_o the_o confession_n of_o bohemia_n in_o the_o harmony_n of_o confession_n pag._n 253._o ante_fw-la medium_n of_o all_o ●h●r_a p●ints_n of_o doctrine_n the_o chief_a and_o weighty_a be_v so_o unknown_a in_o the_o age_n before_o luther_n that_o the_o contrary_a doctrine_n of_o justification_n by_o merit_n and_o work_n which_o protestant_n term_v 30._o term_v mr._n penrie_n in_o the_o book_n entitle_v mr._n some_o lay_v open_a in_o his_o colour_n page_n 29_o 30._o the_o very_a hart_n life_n and_o soul_n of_o popery_n be_v defend_v not_o only_o by_o the_o g._n the_o see_v this_o heretofore_o for_o the_o waldenses_n at_o pag._n 90._o i._n l._n and_o for_o wicliffe_n at_o pag._n 97._o f._n &_o for_o husse_v at_o pag._n 101._o g._n waldenses_n wycl●ffe_n and_o husse_v but_o also_o by_o all_o other_o near_a luther_n time_n in_o so_o much_o that_o mr._n fox_n have_v speak_v of_o the_o t●mes_v next_o before_o lut●er_n and_o of_o the_o learned_a writer_n then_o live_v conclude_v only_o of_o luther_n that_o etc._n that_o act._n mon._n pag._n 402_o a._n circa_fw-la med_a and_o the_o divines_n of_o the_o confession_n of_o augusta_n allege_v by_o luc._n osiander_n in_o epitome_n hist_o ecclesiast_fw-la centur_fw-la 16._o pag._n 157._o paulo_fw-la ante_fw-la med_a confess_v the_o same_o likewise_o say_v cum_fw-la igitur_fw-la doctrina_fw-la de_fw-la fide_fw-la quam_fw-la oportet_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la praecipuam_fw-la esse_fw-la tam_fw-la di●_n tacuerit_fw-la ignota_fw-la quemadmodum_fw-la fateri_fw-la omnes_fw-la necesse_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n he_o give_v the_o str●ak●_n and_o pluck_v down_o the_o foundation_n of_o our_o catholic_a faith_n and_o all_o by_o open_v one_o vain_a l●ng_v hide_v before_o which_o be_v our_o free_a justification_n by_o our_o faith_n only_o in_o christ_n so_o plain_o also_o by_o mr._n fox_n his_o confession_n be_v this_o chief_a article_n of_o the_o protestant_n faith_n unknown_a and_o unheard_a of_o during_o the_o age_n next_o before_o luther_n and_o thus_o much_o brief_o to_o show_v that_o whereas_o it_o be_v evident_a and_o confess_v from_o the_o scripture_n that_o the_o true_a church_n pastor_n her_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n must_v evermore_o continue_v yet_o our_o adversary_n church_n religion_n administration_n of_o of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n be_v not_o know_v so_o much_o as_o but_o to_o have_v be_v in_o be_v during_o the_o xx_o year_n next_o before_o luther_n whereupon_o we_o be_v to_o resist_v and_o say_v to_o they_o as_o do_v the_o ancient_a praenunciavit_fw-la ancient_a tertulian_n in_o libro_fw-la de_fw-fr prescript_n say_v qui_fw-fr est_fw-fr be_v vos_fw-la unde_fw-la est_fw-la quando_fw-la venistis_fw-la ubi_fw-la tam_fw-la diu_fw-la latuistis_fw-la and_o augustine_n l._n 3._o de_fw-la baptismo_fw-la contr_n don._n c._n 2._o say_v under_o ergo_fw-la donatus_fw-la apparuit_fw-la de_fw-fr qua_fw-la terra_fw-la germinavit_fw-la ex_fw-la quo_fw-la mari_fw-fr emersit_fw-la de_fw-la quo_fw-la coelo_fw-la cecidit_fw-la and_o aug._n de_fw-la vtilit_fw-la cred._n c._n 14._o say_v to_o the_o manichee_n vos_fw-fr autem_fw-la &_o tam_fw-la pauci_fw-la &_o tam_fw-la turbulenti_fw-la &_o tam_fw-la novi_fw-la nemini_fw-la dubium_fw-la est_fw-la quoniam_fw-la nihil_fw-la dignum_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la proferetis_fw-la &_o optatus_n l._n 2._o contra_fw-la parmenianum_fw-la say_v vestrae_fw-la cathedrae_fw-la originem_fw-la ostendite_fw-la qui_fw-la vobis_fw-la vultis_fw-la sanctam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la vendicare_fw-la and_o hilary_n l._n 6._o de_fw-la trinitate_fw-la ante_fw-la med_a say_v tardè_fw-la mihi_fw-la hos_fw-la pijssimos_fw-la doctores_fw-la aetas_fw-la nunc_fw-la huius_fw-la seculi_fw-la protulit_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o hierom_n contra_fw-la luciferianos_fw-la in_o fine_a say_v ex_fw-la hoc_fw-la ipso_fw-la quod_fw-la posterius_fw-la instituti_fw-la sunt_fw-la eos_fw-la se_fw-la esse_fw-la indicant_fw-la quos_fw-la futuros_fw-la apostolus_fw-la praenunciavit_fw-la father_n in_o like_a manner_n to_o the_o heretic_n of_o their_o time_n and_o as_o do_v impetum_fw-la do_v luther_n in_o lutheri_n loc._n comun_n class_n 5_o c._n 15._o pag._n 50._o ante_fw-la med_n say_v of_o the_o sacramentary_n sine_fw-la nobis_fw-la &_o ante_fw-la nos_fw-la nihil_fw-la erant_fw-la ne_fw-la hiscere_fw-la quidem_fw-la audebant_fw-la nunc_fw-la nostra_fw-la victoria_fw-la inflati_fw-la in_fw-la nos_fw-la vertunt_fw-la impetum_fw-la luther_n himself_o upon_o this_o like_a ground_n to_o our_o adversary_n the_o sacramentary_n a_o further_a demonstration_n otherwise_o of_o the_o protestant_a church_n defection_n sect_n 12._o but_o forbear_v as_o now_o further_o to_o prosecute_v the_o foresay_a evident_a defection_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n her_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o heretofore_o allege_a disparetie_n or_o rather_o contrariety_n in_o doctrine_n between_o our_o now_o protestant_n and_o the_o foresay_a example_n of_o waldo_n wicliffe_n husse_n luther_n etc._n etc._n &_o all_o those_o other_o who_o our_o adversary_n have_v as_o have_v be_v 7._o be_v see_v heretofore_o for_o waldo_n tract_n 2._o c._n 2._o sect_n 3_o for_o wicliffe_n sect_n 4._o for_o husse_n sect_n 5._o for_o luther_n sect_n 10._o and_o for_o other_o see_v sect_n 7._o heretofore_o particular_o 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who_o follower_n as_o namely_o the_o berengarian_o waldenses_n wy●levistes_n hussi●s_n lutheran_n &_o ●_o be_v in_o their_o forename_a seve_o all_o sectmaster_n from_o who_o they_o be_v know_v to_o have_v descend_v most_o plain_o reduce_v to_o a_o know_a catholic_a begin_a ng_z as_o be_v in_o like_a manner_n the_o adrian_n donatist_o s_o n●st●rians_n &_o know_a to_o have_v have_v their_o like_a first_o begin_n in_o catholic_n as_o in_o a●ius_n d●natus_n n●●torius_n &_o who_o all_o together_o with_o berengarius_fw-la waldo_n why_o life_n husse_n luther_n etc._n etc._n be_v profess_v member_n of_o our_o catholic_a church_n before_o such_o time_n as_o they_o 19_o they_o 1._o joh._n 2_o 19_o go_v forth_o from_o we_o the_o peculiar_a mark_n or_o stigma_n wherewith_o the_o 2._o the_o 1._o joh._n ●_o 19_o it_o be_v say_v of_o heretic_n they_o go_v out_o from_o us._n and_o act._n 15_o 24._o it_o be_v likewise_o say_v of_o they_o certain_a that_o go_v forth_o from_o we_o and_o act._n 20_o 30._o 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