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be_v abjure_v alike_o for_o that_o to_o make_v the_o whole_a conditional_a disiunctive_a proposition_n to_o be_v heretical_a or_o to_o be_v abjure_v as_o heretical_a it_o suffice_v that_o one_o only_a part_n of_o the_o disjunction_n be_v heretical_a as_o i_o may_v true_o and_o lawful_o abjure_v this_o proposition_n as_o heretical_a god_n may_v be_v honour_v or_o blaspheme_v by_o his_o creature_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o it_o be_v in_o the_o free_a choice_n of_o creature_n to_o honour_n or_o to_o blaspheme_v god_n wherein_o one_o only_a part_n of_o the_o disjunction_n be_v heretical_a and_o the_o other_o of_o faith_n and_o so_o both_o part_n of_o the_o disjunction_n be_v not_o abjure_v as_o heretical_a although_o the_o whole_a and_o entire_a proposition_n be_v heretical_a and_o may_v therefore_o be_v true_o abjure_v as_o heretical_a 63._o what_o any_o learned_a man_n but_o especial_o the_o vulgar_a sort_n of_o catholic_n consider_v the_o different_a ground_n of_o catholic_n and_o protestant_n in_o point_n of_o religion_n and_o that_o the_o oath_n be_v make_v by_o a_o protestant_a parliament_n and_o that_o the_o title_n of_o the_o act_n wherein_o the_o take_n thereof_o be_v command_v be_v for_o the_o better_a discover_v and_o repress_v of_o popish_a recusant_n and_o such_o like_a reason_n may_v at_o the_o first_o sight_n conceive_v of_o the_o lawfulness_n thereof_o as_o also_o what_o they_o may_v at_o the_o first_o sight_n conceive_v of_o the_o sense_n of_o this_o clause_n which_o be_v now_o in_o question_n consider_v that_o the_o conjunction_n disiunctive_a or_o do_v more_o usual_o make_v a_o absolute_a disiunctive_a than_o a_o conditional_a disiunctive_a proposition_n for_o that_o where_o once_o it_o follow_v the_o verb_n may_n and_o consequent_o make_v a_o conditional_a disiunctive_a proposition_n which_o be_v equivalent_a to_o a_o copulative_a above_o a_o hundred_o time_n at_o least_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v the_o verb_n may_n but_o make_v a_o absolute_a disiunctive_a proposition_n and_o withal_o not_o examine_v the_o difference_n betwixt_o a_o absolute_a and_o a_o conditional_a disiunctive_a proposition_n may_v i_o say_v at_o the_o first_o sight_n conceive_v of_o the_o esen_n and_o meaning_n of_o this_o clause_n of_o the_o oath_n be_v no_o sufficient_a argument_n to_o prove_v that_o this_o clause_n or_o any_o other_o of_o the_o oath_n be_v according_a to_o the_o true_a proper_a and_o usual_a understanding_n of_o the_o word_n in_o very_a deed_n unlawful_a for_o many_o thing_n may_v seem_v to_o be_v so_o at_o the_o first_o sight_n which_o after_o a_o second_o review_v and_o a_o more_o diligent_a examination_n of_o the_o matter_n do_v seem_v to_o be_v far_o otherwise_o 64_o my_o adversary_n follow_v therein_o card_n bellarmine_n gretzer_n lessius_fw-la &_o suarez_n do_v at_o the_o first_o sight_n conceive_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o excommunicate_v the_o king_n be_v deny_v in_o this_o oath_n but_o at_o the_o second_o sight_n and_o upon_o better_a consideration_n he_o have_v as_o it_o seem_v perceive_v his_o error_n and_o over_o sight_n for_o that_o be_v charge_v therewith_o by_o i_o he_o have_v pass_v it_o over_o altogether_o with_o silence_n many_o also_o of_o our_o english_a catholic_n do_v at_o the_o first_o sight_n conceive_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o absolve_v from_o sin_n to_o grant_v pardon_n and_o indulgence_n and_o to_o dispense_v in_o oath_n be_v deny_v in_o this_o oath_n take_v some_o colour_n or_o pretence_n from_o those_o word_n absolve_v pardon_n and_o dispensation_n but_o after_o the_o second_o sight_n they_o see_v that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o at_o the_o first_o sight_n they_o conceive_v many_o such_o like_a exception_n i_o can_v allege_v which_o at_o the_o first_o sight_n some_o conceive_v against_o the_o oath_n which_o upon_o the_o second_o review_n and_o after_o a_o more_o diligent_a consideration_n appear_v to_o have_v no_o firm_a ground_n to_o rely_v upon_o 65_o but_o 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