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or_o at_o least_o such_o as_o excuse_n from_o sin_n and_o 96_o he_o far_o say_v 3._o that_o it_o be_v the_o common_a opinion_n of_o the_o school_n and_o of_o their_o divine_n that_o layman_n err_v with_o their_o teacher_n be_v excuse_v from_o any_o fault_n and_o as_o long_o as_o it_o be_v out_o of_o obedience_n to_o their_o teacher_n it_o be_v rather_o 97._o a_o meritorious_a act._n let_v we_o now_o lay_v these_o thing_n to_o the_o present_a case_n and_o all_o the_o difficulty_n will_v soon_o disappear_v as_o to_o the_o matter_n of_o salvation_n they_o grant_v that_o god_n will_v not_o suffer_v those_o to_o be_v deceive_v about_o they_o who_o do_v sincere_o seek_v after_o the_o knowledge_n of_o they_o as_o to_o matter_n of_o controversy_n they_o be_v in_o no_o danger_n if_o they_o trust_v their_o spiritual_a guide_n and_o i_o assert_v that_o we_o own_v the_o authority_n of_o guide_n in_o the_o church_n and_o a_o due_a submission_n to_o they_o but_o the_o replier_n be_v not_o satisfy_v 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be_v account_v as_o the_o proponent_n of_o matter_n of_o faith._n 2._o be_v it_o necessary_a in_o order_n to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n that_o the_o person_n believe_v the_o proponent_n to_o be_v infallible_a or_o not_o if_o it_o be_v than_o none_o can_v be_v convince_v of_o heretical_a obstinacy_n but_o such_o as_o reject_v the_o church_n authority_n when_o they_o believe_v it_o infallible_a and_o then_o none_o of_o we_o can_v be_v charge_v with_o it_o for_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v the_o church_n infallibility_n if_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a than_o the_o church_n infallibility_n be_v not_o necessary_a to_o faith_n for_o iâ—_n order_n to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n he_o must_v be_v convince_v of_o resist_v that_o which_o be_v necessary_a in_o order_n to_o faâ—â—h_v from_o whence_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o the_o church_n infallibility_n be_v noâ—_n equire_v as_o the_o ground_n of_o faith._n 3_o suppose_v a_o person_n think_v himself_o bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o believe_v those_o 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