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priesthood_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n have_v a_o supreme_a and_o sovereign_a authority_n to_o create_v punish_v and_o depose_v king_n he_o labour_v in_o vain_a from_o the_o number_n 25_o to_o 32._o to_o prove_v that_o the_o like_a authority_n must_v needs_o be_v acknowledge_v in_o the_o priesthood_n of_o the_o new_a law_n not_o for_o that_o he_o think_v the_o that_o we_o be_v now_o bind_v to_o retain_v the_o ceremonial_a or_o judicial_a part_n thereof_o but_o to_o deduce_v as_o he_o say_v 83._o say_v num._n 25._o pag_n 83._o a_o potent_a argument_n from_o thence_o as_o from_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o like_a authority_n must_v needs_o be_v acknowledge_v in_o the_o priesthood_n and_o especial_o in_o the_o chief_a priest_n in_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n and_o for_o proof_n hereof_o he_o set_v down_o two_o position_n as_o the_o only_a ground_n of_o this_o his_o potent_a argument_n 2_o the_o first_o be_v that_o the_o old_a law_n and_o testament_n be_v but_o a_o figure_n 84._o figure_n num._n 26._o pag_n 84._o and_o a_o shadow_n of_o the_o new_a be_v no_o less_o inferior_a there_o to_o in_o authority_n dignity_n and_o perfection_n than_o moses_n to_o christ_n the_o dead_a and_o kill_a letter_n to_o the_o quicken_a spirit_n or_o the_o priesthood_n of_o aaron_n to_o the_o priesthood_n of_o melchisedech_n which_o be_v christ_n priesthood_n he_o shall_v rather_o have_v say_v which_o prefigure_v the_o excellency_n of_o christ_n priesthood_n 6._o priesthood_n see_v s._n thomas_n and_o the_o schoolman_n 3._o part_n q._n 22._o be_v 6._o this_o position_n to_o wit_n 10._o hebr._n 10._o that_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v a_o figure_n and_o shadow_n and_o not_o inferior_a to_o the_o new_a he_o prove_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n augustine_n 119._o augustine_n in_o psal_n 119._o who_o affirm_v that_o vetus_fw-la testamentum_fw-la promissiones_fw-la habet_fw-la terrenas_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o old_a testament_n have_v earthly_a promise_n a_o earthly_a palestine_n a_o earthly_a jerusalem_n a_o earthly_a salvation_n to_o wit_n conquest_n of_o enemy_n abundance_n of_o child_n fertility_n of_o soil_n and_o plenty_n of_o fruit_n all_o these_o thing_n be_v earthly_a promise_n and_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v spiritual_o in_o figure_n how_o the_o earthly_a jerusalem_n be_v a_o shadow_n of_o the_o heavenly_a jerusalem_n and_o the_o earthly_a kingdom_n of_o the_o heavenly_a kingdom_n so_o s._n austin_n and_o thereupon_o conclude_v that_o if_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v a_o shadow_n of_o the_o new_a non_fw-la mirum_fw-la quia_fw-la ibi_fw-la tenebrae_fw-la it_o be_v no_o marvel_n though_o there_o be_v darkness_n there_o pinguiorâ—s_fw-la enim_fw-la umbrae_fw-la sunt_fw-la tenebrae_fw-la for_o thick_a shadow_n be_v darkness_n thus_o argue_v s._n augustine_n prove_v the_o imperfection_n of_o the_o old_a law_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o new_a which_o the_o apostle_n also_o prove_v ample_o in_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o hebrew_n 7._o hebr._n 7._o say_v that_o the_o old_a law_n be_v abolish_v propter_fw-la infirmitatem_fw-la eius_fw-la &_o inutilitatem_fw-la for_o the_o infirmity_n and_o inutilitie_n of_o it_o nihil_fw-la enim_fw-la ad_fw-la perfectum_fw-la adduxit_fw-la lex_fw-la for_o the_o law_n bring_v nothing_o to_o perfection_n 3_o his_o second_o position_n be_v 26.28_o be_v nu_fw-la 26.28_o that_o the_o defect_n of_o the_o old_a law_n and_o synagogue_n of_o the_o jew_n can_v not_o serve_v for_o a_o precedent_n to_o the_o new_a law_n and_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o therefore_o though_o the_o king_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n shall_v have_v have_v authority_n over_o priest_n yet_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o christian_a king_n shall_v have_v the_o like_a for_o that_o the_o defect_n and_o imperfection_n of_o the_o synagogue_n which_o s._n austin_n call_v terrenum_fw-la regnum_fw-la a_o earthly_a kingdom_n be_v not_o to_o be_v transfer_v to_o the_o
so_o good_a sincere_a and_o zealous_a a_o catholic_a and_o yet_o lie_v lurk_v and_o schulk_v under_o another_o man_n name_n of_o purpose_n as_o it_o seem_v to_o lash_v out_o more_o free_o contumelious_a word_n which_o in_o his_o own_o name_n he_o will_v blush_v to_o utter_v for_o otherwise_o he_o need_v not_o to_o disguise_v himself_o for_o fear_n of_o incur_v the_o displeasure_n of_o prince_n for_o the_o doctrine_n he_o teach_v so_o prejudicial_a to_o their_o temporal_a sovereignty_n which_o also_o he_o will_v needs_o have_v to_o be_v forsooth_o a_o undoubted_a point_n of_o catholic_a faith_n both_o for_o that_o he_o be_v a_o man_n of_o so_o high_a a_o rank_n and_o place_n and_o live_v out_o of_o their_o dominion_n and_o subjection_n can_v by_o their_o indignation_n take_v against_o he_o receive_v but_o little_a harm_n and_o also_o for_o that_o he_o teach_v here_o little_a or_o nothing_o in_o prejudice_n of_o their_o sovereign_a authority_n which_o he_o do_v not_o long_o before_o in_o 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because_o otherwise_o wicked_a prince_n may_v without_o punishment_n nourish_v heretic_n and_o overthrow_v religion_n to_o this_o argument_n i_o answer_v in_o my_o apology_n seq_fw-la apolog._n 176._o &_o seq_fw-la grant_v to_o card._n bellarmine_n that_o every_o perfect_a and_o well_o institute_v commonwealth_n ought_v to_o have_v always_o sufficient_a authority_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o authority_n itself_o to_o the_o attain_n of_o her_o end_n although_o she_o have_v not_o always_o sufficient_a power_n force_n mean_n or_o ability_n actual_o to_o obtain_v the_o same_o and_o to_o remove_v all_o impediment_n which_o may_v hinder_v the_o same_o and_o so_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o perfect_a and_o well_o institute_v spiritual_a commonwealth_n have_v all_o sufficient_a spiritual_a authority_n forasmuch_o as_o concern_v the_o authority_n itself_o to_o the_o attain_n of_o her_o spiritual_a and_o which_o be_v the_o save_n of_o soul_n albeit_o she_o have_v not_o 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have_v will_v not_o forsooth_o call_v it_o temporal_a authority_n but_o spiritual_a authority_n in_o temporall_n and_o that_o not_o direct_o but_o indirect_o or_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a whereas_o the_o canonist_n do_v also_o hold_v that_o the_o pope_n temporal_a coercive_v authority_n or_o his_o coercive_v authority_n in_o temporall_n be_v also_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a but_o this_o distinction_n of_o direct_o and_o indirect_o be_v purposely_o invent_v by_o the_o late_a divine_n to_o make_v their_o doctrine_n concern_v the_o pope_n authority_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporall_n and_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n to_o be_v more_o plausible_a to_o the_o vulgar_a sort_n and_o to_o be_v less_o odious_a to_o christian_a prince_n and_o their_o loyal_a subject_n who_o can_v not_o brook_v to_o hear_v any_o man_n say_v that_o absolute_a and_o sovereign_a prince_n be_v not_o supreme_a but_o subject_a in_o temporall_n to_o spiritual_a pastor_n whereas_o 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or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o with_o that_o i_o say_v before_o as_o by_o the_o order_n and_o reference_n to_o spiritual_a good_a that_o be_v to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o the_o health_n of_o soul_n they_o become_v spiritual_a that_o be_v virtuous_a and_o vicious_a action_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o although_o this_o distinction_n of_o direct_o and_o indirect_o may_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o spiriturall_a directiveâ—_n or_o command_a power_n as_o i_o declare_v before_o for_o that_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v no_o power_n to_o command_v temporal_a action_n but_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a and_o by_o that_o reference_n become_v spiritual_a and_o capable_a of_o virtue_n or_o vice_n which_o be_v the_o health_n or_o hurt_n of_o soul_n yet_o it_o can_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v or_o punish_v power_n unless_o it_o be_v first_o prove_v that_o christ_n have_v give_v to_o spiritual_a pastor_n for_o the_o health_n of_o soul_n authority_n to_o inflict_v as_o 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sec_fw-la 1._o for_o thus_o write_v fa._n suarez_n affirm_v it_o to_o be_v the_o more_o common_a opinion_n of_o doctor_n and_o withal_o he_o answer_v all_o the_o authority_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v bring_v here_o out_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n 80_o but_o the_o contrary_a doctrine_n say_v suarez_n may_v seem_v to_o have_v some_o ground_n in_o those_o word_n matth._n 18._o if_o he_o will_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o a_o heathen_a and_o a_o publican_n for_o by_o those_o word_n our_o saviour_n christ_n do_v seem_v to_o have_v sufficient_o show_v and_o institute_v the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n and_o that_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n be_v here_o virtual_o command_v to_o excommunicate_v disobedient_a and_o obstinate_a christian_n because_o by_o no_o other_o reason_n the_o faithful_a can_v be_v bind_v to_o avoid_v such_o kind_n of_o man_n but_o from_o this_o place_n say_v suarez_n nothing_o can_v be_v gather_v for_o otherwise_o one_o may_v also_o gather_v from_o thence_o that_o whosoever_o
father_n a_o wife_n to_o her_o husband_n and_o a_o slave_n to_o his_o lord_n they_o now_o live_v in_o civil_a society_n and_o be_v part_n and_o member_n of_o the_o civil_a commonwealth_n be_v civil_a and_o depend_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o temporal_a prince_n who_o may_v therefore_o extend_v diminish_v or_o quite_o dissolve_v the_o bond_n of_o obedience_n although_o not_o of_o honour_n and_o reverence_n which_o the_o child_n owe_v to_o his_o father_n and_o likewise_o the_o bond_n of_o obedience_n although_o not_o of_o matrimony_n by_o which_o the_o wife_n be_v bind_v to_o her_o husband_n and_o final_o the_o bond_n both_o of_o obedience_n and_o of_o servitude_n by_o which_o a_o slave_n be_v bind_v to_o his_o lord_n but_o the_o bond_n of_o allegiance_n whereby_o subject_n be_v bind_v to_o obey_v the_o civil_a commonwealth_n as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o do_v not_o deny_v be_v natural_a and_o be_v due_a by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n as_o the_o power_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a commonwealth_n over_o every_o part_n and_o member_n thereof_o be_v in_o his_o opinion_n de_fw-fr lege_fw-la natura_fw-la due_a by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o therefore_o i_o do_v not_o well_o understand_v how_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n can_v according_o to_o his_o own_o ground_n affirm_v that_o the_o power_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a commonwealth_n over_o every_o particular_a member_n thereof_o be_v the_o lâ—ge_a natura_fw-la due_a by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o consequent_o the_o obedience_n and_o allegiance_n of_o the_o subject_a answerable_a thereunto_o must_v also_o be_v de_fw-la lege_fw-la natura_fw-la command_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o withal_o maintain_v that_o the_o church_n can_v deprive_v a_o heretical_a commonwealth_n of_o her_o civil_a power_n and_o authority_n and_o absolve_v the_o subject_n from_o their_o natural_a allegiance_n unless_o he_o will_v grant_v that_o the_o church_n may_v absolve_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n 97_o now_o by_o this_o which_o have_v be_v say_v you_o may_v easy_o perceive_v the_o insufficiency_n of_o all_o the_o rest_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n add_v in_o this_o chapter_n now_o then_o say_v he_o 11._o he_o pag._n 107._o nu_fw-la 11._o in_o all_o these_o example_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o church_n dispose_v of_o that_o which_o be_v temporal_a to_o spiritual_a end_n and_o therefore_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n have_v no_o probability_n in_o the_o world_n to_o deny_v that_o a_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v punish_v temporal_o especial_o grant_v as_o he_o do_v that_o he_o may_v command_v corporal_a and_o temporal_a thing_n so_o far_o forth_o as_o they_o serve_v the_o spiritual_a but_o contrariwise_o as_o you_o have_v see_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o by_o none_o of_o all_o those_o example_n he_o have_v prove_v that_o the_o church_n i_o do_v not_o say_v command_v but_o dispose_v of_o that_o which_o be_v temporal_a to_o spiritual_a end_n oâ—_n have_v authority_n to_o inflict_v any_o temporal_a punishment_n or_o to_o deprive_v any_o man_n of_o any_o temporal_a right_n power_n or_o authority_n for_o what_o end_n soever_o and_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherbert_n do_v evident_o discover_v his_o ignorance_n in_o affirm_v that_o i_o have_v no_o probability_n in_o the_o world_n to_o deny_v that_o a_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o may_v punish_v temporal_o and_o to_o grant_v as_o i_o do_v that_o he_o may_v command_v corporal_a and_o temporal_a thing_n so_o far_o forth_o as_o they_o serve_v the_o spiritual_a for_o this_o distinction_n which_o i_o have_v sufficient_o declare_v before_o betwixt_o the_o directive_a or_o command_a and_o the_o coercive_v or_o punish_v power_n both_o of_o the_o spiritual_a and_o also_o of_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n and_o the_o reason_n thereof_o a_o priori_fw-la which_o be_v take_v from_o their_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n from_o which_o according_a to_o the_o know_a principle_n of_o philosophy_n the_o essence_n unity_n and_o distinction_n of_o every_o power_n be_v to_o be_v take_v do_v make_v plain_o the_o whole_a difficulty_n and_o quite_o overthrow_v the_o comparison_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n make_v betwixt_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a and_o the_o coercive_v power_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o betwixt_o the_o power_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n to_o command_v temporal_a punishment_n for_o spiritual_a end_n and_o to_o inflict_v they_o and_o which_o in_o natural_a reason_n be_v so_o clear_a and_o perspicuous_a that_o it_o can_v with_o any_o show_n of_o probability_n be_v impugn_a but_o the_o more_o it_o be_v sift_v and_o impugn_a the_o more_o it_o appear_v plain_a and_o manifest_a as_o all_o true_a doctrine_n do_v as_o contrariwise_o falsehood_n the_o more_o it_o be_v examine_v the_o more_o absurd_a it_o do_v still_o appear_v 98_o beside_o that_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 21._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 107._o nu_fw-la 21._o widdrington_n himself_o teach_v also_o in_o his_o apology_n 15â—_n apology_n nurse_n 153.154_o &_o 15â—_n that_o spiritual_a thing_n may_v come_v to_o have_v the_o nature_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o temporal_a thing_n of_o spiritual_a by_o accident_n that_o be_v to_o say_v as_o he_o himself_o do_v explicate_v ratione_fw-la peccati_fw-la annexi_fw-la by_o reason_n of_o some_o sin_n annex_v whereof_o he_o also_o give_v this_o example_n when_o ecclesiastical_a person_n do_v apply_v their_o spiritual_a power_n to_o the_o hurt_n of_o the_o temporal_a state_n or_o temporal_a man_n abuse_v their_o power_n to_o the_o prejudice_n of_o the_o spiritual_a in_o these_o case_n he_o say_v the_o temporal_a power_n and_o state_n become_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a and_o the_o spiritual_a to_o the_o temporal_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o injury_n do_v and_o offence_n commit_v because_o temporal_a thing_n do_v thereby_o come_v to_o have_v the_o quality_n of_o spiritual_a thing_n and_o the_o spiritual_a also_o of_o temporal_a thus_o teach_v he_o in_o his_o apology_n and_o affirm_v the_o same_o in_o effect_n in_o his_o theological_a disputation_n 19_o disputation_n cap._n 3._o sec_fw-la 1._o nu_fw-la 19_o 99_o that_o doctrine_n which_o i_o teach_v in_o my_o apology_n be_v very_o true_a and_o can_v with_o any_o probability_n in_o the_o world_n be_v deny_v neither_o have_v d._n schulckenius_n bring_v any_o one_o probable_a proof_n to_o impugn_v the_o same_o but_o with_o rail_a speech_n slanderous_a imputation_n and_o fraudulent_a cavil_n seek_v to_o overbeare_v it_o as_o i_o have_v most_o clear_o show_v 10.11.12_o show_v calumnia_fw-la 10.11.12_o in_o the_o discovery_n of_o his_o calumny_n for_o whereas_o i_o affirm_v that_o as_o the_o spiritual_a power_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o temporal_a per_fw-mi se_fw-mi but_o only_a per_fw-la accidens_fw-la by_o reason_n of_o virtue_n or_o vice_n which_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a power_n and_o be_v oftentimes_o find_v in_o temporal_a action_n so_o the_o temporal_a power_n be_v not_o subject_a per_fw-la se_fw-la to_o the_o spiritual_a but_o only_o per_fw-la accidens_fw-la by_o reason_n of_o the_o conserve_n or_o disturb_v of_o temporal_a peace_n which_o be_v the_o act_n and_o object_n of_o the_o temporal_a directive_a power_n and_o be_v sometime_o find_v in_o spiritual_a action_n as_o in_o unjust_a excommunication_n and_o interdict_v when_o by_o they_o great_a tumult_n and_o perturbation_n do_v in_o the_o commonwealth_n arise_v and_o in_o the_o evil_a administration_n of_o sacrament_n whereby_o death_n or_o great_a corporal_a harm_n do_v ensue_v and_o as_o the_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v for_o the_o evil_a administration_n of_o temporal_a thing_n as_o they_o redound_v to_o the_o hurt_n of_o soul_n punish_v all_o his_o subject_n that_o shall_v offend_v therein_o with_o spiritual_a punishment_n which_o only_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n so_o the_o temporal_a superior_a abstract_v from_o the_o privilege_n of_o prince_n and_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n which_o do_v exempt_a clergy_n man_n from_o the_o coercive_v power_n of_o secular_a magistrate_n may_v for_o the_o evil_a administration_n of_o spiritual_a thing_n as_o they_o redound_v to_o the_o perturbation_n of_o temporal_a peace_n punish_v all_o his_o subject_n that_o shall_v offend_v therein_o with_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o only_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o temporal_a coercive_v power_n 100_o now_o d._n schulckenius_n first_o affirm_v 292._o affirm_v pag._n 208._o &_o 292._o that_o this_o doctrine_n be_v altogether_o intolerable_a and_o can_v be_v affirm_v but_o by_o one_o who_o be_v give_v to_o a_o reprobate_a sense_n but_o how_o false_a and_o intolerable_a a_o slander_n this_o be_v unconscionable_a void_a of_o all_o learning_n and_o which_o can_v not_o be_v utter_v but_o by_o one_o who_o be_v whole_o transport_v with_o some_o vehement_a passion_n i_o have_v sufficient_o show_v heretofore_o 11._o heretofore_o in_o append._n calumnia_fw-la 11._o second_o he_o
diocletian_n why_o can_v she_o not_o also_o under_o the_o persecution_n of_o the_o turk_n 37_o second_o neither_o be_v it_o true_a that_o i_o be_o destitute_a of_o patron_n and_o doctor_n who_o maintain_v that_o the_o pope_n by_o his_o spiritual_a power_n can_v dispose_v of_o temporal_n or_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n as_o i_o have_v show_v above_o in_o the_o first_o part_n where_o also_o i_o prove_v that_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la do_v no_o way_n favour_n but_o flat_o contradict_v card._n bellarmine_n doctrine_n and_o also_o the_o very_a ash_n of_o this_o doctor_n book_n if_o they_o can_v speak_v will_v give_v sufficient_a testimony_n against_o he_o that_o this_o my_o doctrine_n be_v not_o altogether_o destitute_a of_o patron_n and_o doctor_n but_o whereas_o this_o doctor_n shall_v have_v prove_v that_o the_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n which_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n affirm_v and_o i_o deny_v he_o fly_v from_o this_o reason_n to_o the_o authority_n of_o doctor_n who_o affirm_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n which_o be_v to_o run_v up_o and_o down_o in_o a_o circle_n from_o intrinsical_a ground_n to_o extrinsecall_v from_o reason_n to_o authority_n and_o contrariwise_o and_o never_o to_o persist_v in_o any_o one_o medium_n or_o argument_n wherefore_o whensoever_o any_o author_n or_o myself_o do_v seem_v to_o affirm_v or_o suppose_v that_o temporal_a thing_n &_o the_o dispose_n of_o they_o be_v in_o some_o case_n necessary_a to_o the_o general_a good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o any_o absolute_a necessity_n but_o only_o of_o some_o great_a convenience_n or_o utility_n for_o which_o in_o common_a speech_n we_o oftentimes_o take_v necessity_n as_o it_o be_v well_o know_v to_o every_o logician_n who_o have_v but_o read_v the_o begin_n of_o porphyry_n introduction_n cùm_fw-la necessarium_fw-la sit_fw-la chysaori_n etc._n etc._n whereas_o it_o be_v necessary_a o_o chysaori_n etc._n etc._n in_o which_o case_n of_o necessity_n or_o great_a utility_n temporal_a thing_n be_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v dispose_v of_o to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n by_o the_o temporal_a and_o civil_a power_n of_o christian_a prince_n and_o not_o by_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o he_o have_v distinguish_v the_o act_n office_n and_o function_n thereof_o from_o civil_a authority_n 38_o but_o thou_o will_v say_v say_v this_o doctor_n 355._o doctor_n pag._n 355._o that_o this_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n be_v not_o proportionate_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o ecclesisticall_a power_n which_o be_v spiritual_a i_o answer_v first_o say_v he_o that_o this_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n in_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o formal_o temporal_a but_o formal_o spiritual_a and_o eminent_o temporal_a and_o therefore_o it_o be_v very_o well_o proportionate_a to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n but_o this_o be_v to_o declare_v the_o self_n same_o thing_n by_o itself_o for_o to_o have_v virtual_o or_o eminent_o a_o temporal_a power_n be_v nothing_o else_o then_o to_o have_v a_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n or_o to_o do_v all_o that_o which_o the_o temporal_a power_n can_v do_v which_o be_v the_o main_a point_n which_o i_o utter_o deny_v and_o consequent_o affirm_v that_o according_a to_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n who_o have_v leave_v distinguish_v the_o act_n function_n and_o property_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n or_o common-weath_a from_o they_o of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n or_o church_n of_o christ_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n which_o be_v temporal_a and_o civil_a act_n and_o punishment_n be_v not_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n proportionate_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n and_o to_o the_o end_n thereof_o as_o it_o be_v by_o he_o distinguish_v from_o the_o civil_a power_n and_o the_o end_n object_n and_o act_n thereof_o for_o as_o christ_n our_o saviour_n have_v institute_v his_o church_n a_o spiritual_a kingdom_n or_o commonwealth_n and_o distinguish_v her_o directive_a and_o coercive_v power_n and_o the_o act_n and_o object_n thereof_o from_o the_o act_n and_o object_n of_o the_o civil_a power_n or_o commonwealth_n so_o also_o have_v he_o assign_v spiritual_a punishment_n as_o mean_n proportionate_a to_o she_o coercive_v or_o punish_a power_n as_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v proportionate_a to_o the_o temporal_a coercive_v power_n 39_o wherefore_o this_o doctor_n know_v right_a well_o that_o i_o have_v always_o deny_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n to_o have_v either_o formal_o or_o eminent_o temporal_a power_n give_v a_o second_o answer_n i_o answer_v second_o say_v he_o 356._o he_o pag._n 356._o that_o temporal_a good_n and_o the_o power_n itself_o over_o temporal_a good_n have_v indeed_o no_o natural_a proportion_n with_o spiritual_a but_o they_o have_v a_o very_a great_a moral_a proportion_n which_o for_o the_o present_n be_v sufficient_a for_o temporal_a good_n be_v spiritual_a instrument_n of_o good_a work_n in_o which_o respect_n s._n peter_n call_v alm_n &_o other_o good_a work_n 2._o 1_o pet._n 2._o although_o corporal_a spirituales_fw-la hostias_fw-la spiritual_a sacrifice_n wherefore_o as_o the_o spirit_n in_o man_n dispose_v of_o corporal_a action_n as_o alm_n fasting_n chastise_v of_o the_o flesh_n and_o such_o like_a as_o they_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o health_n of_o the_o soul_n he_o may_v add_v also_o to_o the_o health_n of_o the_o body_n so_o the_o prince_n of_o the_o church_n may_v in_o order_n to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n and_o if_o his_o similitude_n be_v good_a may_v likewise_o in_o order_n to_o a_o temporal_a end_n dispose_v of_o temporal_a good_n which_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o they_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o obtain_n of_o that_o end_n for_o the_o same_o reason_n they_o be_v say_v 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widdrington_n have_v hitherto_o show_v great_a weakness_n in_o himself_o and_o his_o cause_n by_o his_o answer_n to_o our_o argument_n 52._o widdr._fw-la ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 52._o pretend_v to_o confute_v a_o reply_n which_o he_o suppose_v we_o will_v make_v to_o his_o last_o answer_n divide_v the_o say_a reply_n into_o three_o point_n whereof_o the_o first_o be_v that_o the_o foundation_n and_o ground_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n and_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n do_v belong_v to_o faith_n whereupon_o widdrington_n say_v we_o infer_v that_o see_v the_o father_n in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n ground_v their_o decree_n upon_o this_o doctrine_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n therefore_o the_o say_a doctrine_n must_v needs_o be_v certain_a and_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n 53._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 53._o 14_o the_o second_o point_n be_v that_o see_v no_o catholic_a man_n will_v doubt_v but_o that_o all_o christian_n be_v bind_v to_o believe_v as_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n if_o a_o general_a council_n shall_v express_o define_v it_o therefore_o we_o say_v that_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n do_v suppose_v the_o same_o as_o a_o sure_a foundation_n of_o their_o foresay_a canon_n and_o decree_n all_o christian_n be_v no_o less_o bind_v to_o believe_v it_o then_o if_o they_o have_v express_o determine_v or_o define_v it_o 54._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 54._o 15_o the_o three_o point_n be_v that_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o general_a precept_n or_o decree_n concern_v manner_n it_o follow_v that_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n have_v ordain_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n neither_o have_v err_v nor_o can_v err_v in_o it_o especial_o see_v that_o the_o error_n will_v be_v most_o grievous_a and_o pernicious_a to_o all_o christian_n for_o thereupon_o will_v follow_v tumult_n sedition_n and_o war_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o revolt_n and_o rebellion_n of_o subject_n against_o their_o prince_n and_o the_o breach_n of_o their_o oath_n of_o fidelity_n which_o be_v no_o less_o than_o perjury_n if_o the_o pope_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o discharge_v subject_n of_o their_o allegiance_n and_o fidelity_n to_o their_o prince_n thus_o in_o effect_n though_o somewhat_o more_o ample_o do_v widdrington_n argue_v for_o us._n 16_o but_o first_o whether_o i_o or_o my_o adversary_n have_v show_v great_a weakness_n in_o ourselves_o and_o in_o our_o cause_n neither_o he_o nor_o i_o but_o the_o judicious_a reader_n must_v be_v the_o judge_n for_o with_o the_o same_o facility_n i_o may_v retort_v his_o own_o word_n back_o upon_o himself_o second_o i_o do_v not_o only_o suppose_v that_o they_o will_v make_v those_o three_o argument_n but_o i_o relate_v they_o word_n by_o word_n as_o i_o find_v they_o in_o fa._n lessius_fw-la which_o nevertheless_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v very_o lame_o recite_v 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he_o think_v or_o insinuate_v at_o least_o that_o they_o have_v most_o grievous_o and_o pernicious_o err_v therein_o many_o time_n and_o yet_o one_o of_o the_o pope_n that_o do_v dispense_v in_o the_o case_n here_o mention_v to_o wit_n in_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n be_v the_o famous_a s._n gregory_n the_o great_a who_o grant_v that_o licence_n to_o some_o priest_n in_o sardinia_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o great_a want_n of_o bishop_n in_o that_o island_n 18_o but_o first_o although_o the_o first_o instance_n which_o i_o bring_v be_v partly_o ground_v upon_o this_o practice_n of_o pope_n to_o give_v authority_n to_o priest_n to_o confer_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n yet_o this_o be_v not_o my_o first_o instance_n but_o my_o first_o instance_n be_v this_o that_o doctrine_n do_v appertain_v to_o faith_n which_o be_v propound_v or_o suppose_v by_o pope_n as_o a_o sure_a and_o certain_a foundation_n of_o their_o decree_n and_o sentence_n 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the_o counsel_n as_o some_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o their_o definition_n and_o decree_n therefore_o the_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o ecclesiastical_a definition_n and_o decree_n be_v not_o so_o certain_a and_o infallible_a as_o the_o definition_n &_o decree_n themselves_o now_o what_o absurdity_n or_o impertinency_n trow_v you_o can_v be_v find_v in_o this_o my_o argument_n for_o i_o neither_o apply_v it_o to_o the_o lateran_n council_n or_o to_o any_o other_o decree_n of_o pope_n or_o council_n or_o to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n neither_o do_v i_o say_v that_o because_o the_o reason_n of_o ecclesiastical_a definition_n and_o decree_n be_v sometime_o uncertain_a and_o fallible_a therefore_o they_o may_v be_v deny_v without_o offence_n but_o all_o this_o be_v forge_v by_o my_o adversary_n that_o so_o he_o may_v have_v some_o colour_n to_o charge_v i_o with_o absurdity_n and_o impertinency_n for_o so_o exorbitant_a be_v the_o 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and_o sentence_n must_v be_v certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n be_v not_o so_o general_o true_a but_o that_o it_o be_v needful_a for_o fa._n lessius_fw-la to_o make_v a_o more_o clear_a explication_n thereof_o 6_o and_o albeit_o this_o be_v sufficient_a to_o justify_v this_o my_o argument_n and_o to_o free_v it_o from_o all_o imputation_n of_o absurdity_n and_o impertinency_n yet_o for_o the_o better_a satisfaction_n of_o the_o reader_n i_o will_v examine_v more_o particular_o what_o he_o except_v against_o the_o same_o wherefore_o after_o he_o have_v so_o false_o and_o fraudulent_o as_o you_o have_v see_v set_v down_o the_o aforesaid_a argument_n apply_v it_o to_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n and_o also_o affirm_v i_o to_o say_v that_o because_o the_o reason_n of_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n be_v sometime_o uncertain_a therefore_o they_o may_v be_v deny_v without_o offence_n all_o which_o three_o thing_n be_v forge_v by_o himself_o and_o not_o speak_v by_o i_o and_o therefore_o to_o colour_v his_o fraud_n the_o better_a he_o think_v it_o best_o not_o to_o set_v down_o my_o argument_n verbatim_o as_o there_o he_o find_v it_o he_o write_v thus_o 2._o thus_o pag._n 200._o nu_fw-la 2._o whereunto_o i_o answer_v that_o by_o this_o argument_n widdrington_n impugn_v none_o so_o much_o as_o himself_o grant_v that_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n may_v be_v certain_a though_o the_o reason_n whereupon_o they_o be_v ground_v be_v uncertain_a 7_o but_o as_o i_o do_v not_o grant_v that_o all_o the_o reason_n of_o ecclesiastical_a decree_n be_v uncertain_a and_o not_o of_o faith_n for_o some_o no_o doubt_n be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n so_o also_o i_o do_v not_o grant_v that_o all_o decree_n of_o counsel_n be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n for_o some_o no_o doubt_n be_v not_o of_o faith_n see_v that_o all_o decree_n of_o counsel_n 12._o bell._n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr conc._n cap._n 12._o say_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n do_v not_o belong_v to_o faith_n but_o those_o only_o which_o be_v propound_v as_o of_o faith_n but_o of_o this_o i_o have_v above_o treat_v more_o at_o large_a so_o that_o if_o all_o decree_n of_o counsel_n be_v not_o certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n no_o marvel_n that_o the_o reason_n ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o such_o decree_n as_o they_o be_v reason_n ground_n and_o foundation_n thereof_o may_v be_v uncertain_a fallible_a and_o not_o of_o faith_n i_o say_v as_o they_o be_v reason_n ground_n and_o foundation_n thereof_o for_o if_o otherwise_o they_o be_v decision_n definition_n or_o conclusion_n of_o some_o other_o general_a council_n in_o this_o respect_n they_o may_v be_v certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n and_o this_o do_v evident_o impugn_v the_o two_o first_o argument_n of_o fa._n lessius_fw-la and_o the_o often_o name_v proposition_n whereupon_o they_o be_v ground_v but_o how_o by_o this_o argument_n i_o impugn_v none_o so_o much_o as_o myself_o as_o this_o man_n say_v but_o do_v not_o prove_v or_o any_o way_n impugn_v myself_o i_o can_v comprehend_v 8_o whereupon_o it_o follow_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 2._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 200._o nu_fw-la 2._o that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n ordain_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n may_v be_v certain_a and_o just_a albeit_o the_o reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a and_o so_o prince_n may_v be_v lawful_o depose_v by_o the_o pope_n in_o such_o case_n as_o the_o lateran_n council_n have_v ordain_v though_o the_o say_a council_n may_v be_v move_v thereto_o by_o a_o uncertain_a or_o erroneous_a reason_n so_o that_o albeit_o widdrington_n shall_v prove_v that_o the_o ground_n of_o the_o canon_n in_o question_n be_v uncertain_a or_o erroneous_a yet_o he_o shall_v prove_v nothing_o against_o the_o canon_n itself_o 9_o but_o fie_o mr._n fitzherbert_n that_o you_o shall_v show_v yourself_o to_o be_v so_o gross_o ignorant_a and_o then_o especial_o when_o you_o tax_v your_o adversary_n of_o absurdity_n and_o impertinency_n and_o to_o impugn_v he_o even_o by_o his_o own_o argument_n be_v not_o you_o ashamed_a to_o argue_v so_o childish_o ex_fw-la puris_fw-la particularibus_fw-la from_o pure_a particular_a proposition_n against_o the_o know_a principle_n and_o rule_n of_o logic_n some_o decree_n of_o counsel_n may_v be_v certain_a though_o the_o reason_n &_o doctrine_n whereupon_o they_o be_v ground_v be_v uncertain_a therefore_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n ordain_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n may_v be_v certain_a though_o the_o reason_n doctrine_n and_o foundation_n thereof_o be_v uncertain_a as_o who_o shall_v say_v some_o man_n may_v be_v very_o skilful_a in_o divinity_n although_o they_o never_o study_v it_o to_o wit_n by_o supernatural_a infusion_n and_o divine_a revelation_n as_o adam_n solomon_n and_o our_o saviour_n christ_n according_a to_o his_o humanity_n therefore_o m._n fitzherbert_n may_v be_v very_o skilful_a in_o divinity_n although_o he_o never_o study_v the_o same_o 10_o but_o second_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n ordain_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n but_o only_o of_o inferior_a magistrate_n landlord_n or_o lord_n by_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o temporal_a prince_n and_o therefore_o that_o decree_n or_o rather_o act_n be_v not_o make_v by_o true_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n do_v not_o appertain_v to_o the_o present_a question_n concern_v the_o certainty_n &_o infallibility_n of_o ecclesiastical_a decree_n which_o be_v make_v by_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n as_o they_o have_v spiritual_a and_o not_o temporal_a authority_n three_o my_o adversary_n stand_v in_o his_o own_o principle_n will_v have_v much_o ado_n to_o prove_v as_o i_o say_v before_o that_o those_o word_n of_o the_o council_n ut_fw-la extunc_fw-la ipse_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o then_o the_o pope_n may_v denounce_v the_o vassal_n absolve_v from_o their_o fealty_n do_v contain_v a_o proper_a decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n but_o the_o end_n reason_n and_o cause_n of_o the_o former_a decree_n wherein_o it_o be_v ordain_v that_o the_o pope_n shall_v be_v certify_v if_o the_o temporal_a landlord_n or_o lord_n be_v excommunicate_v shall_v contemn_v to_o give_v satisfaction_n within_o a_o year_n to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o pope_n may_v denounce_v etc._n etc._n unless_o he_o will_v have_v the_o council_n to_o make_v law_n decree_n and_o canon_n to_o bind_v the_o pope_n and_o that_o although_o it_o be_v a_o proper_a decree_n concern_v manner_n yet_o that_o be_v such_o a_o general_a decree_n and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a as_o according_a to_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n be_v require_v to_o make_v ecclesiastical_a decree_n to_o be_v infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n so_o that_o the_o more_o my_o adversary_n strive_v to_o prove_v out_o of_o the_o aforesaid_a word_n of_o the_o
lateran_n council_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n the_o more_o he_o bewray_v his_o own_o ignorance_n and_o the_o weakness_n of_o his_o cause_n and_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o his_o new_a broach_v catholic_a faith_n 11_o and_o true_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 3._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 200._o nu_fw-la 3._o but_o that_o great_a difference_n be_v to_o be_v make_v as_o widdrington_n say_v well_o out_o of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n betwixt_o the_o certainty_n of_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n and_o of_o the_o reason_n which_o be_v allege_v therein_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o all_o reason_n be_v not_o of_o like_a weight_n certainty_n or_o probability_n nevertheless_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v that_o the_o fundamental_a reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v necessary_o include_v and_o suppose_v in_o any_o decree_n of_o a_o ecumenical_a council_n can_v be_v false_a for_o so_o also_o the_o decree_n itself_o shall_v be_v false_a and_o the_o error_n of_o both_o just_o ascribe_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o author_n thereof_o 12_o but_o here_o my_o adversary_n shoot_v his_o bolt_n far_o beyond_o the_o mark_n for_o as_o not_o all_o decree_n of_o ecumenical_a counsel_n be_v certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n but_o only_o those_o which_o be_v make_v by_o true_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n and_o be_v propound_v as_o of_o faith_n and_o which_o be_v general_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o do_v bind_v all_o the_o faithful_a so_o neither_o must_v the_o fundamental_a reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v necessary_o include_v in_o every_o decree_n of_o a_o oecumenial_a council_n be_v of_o necessity_n certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n but_o it_o may_v be_v false_a and_o expose_v to_o error_n as_o the_o decree_n itself_o whereof_o it_o be_v a_o fundamental_a reason_n 13_o and_o this_o i_o say_v of_o decree_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 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