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A66974 Two discourses concerning the adoration of a B. Saviour in the H. Eucharist the first: Animadversions upon the alterations of the rubrick in the Communion-Service, in the Common-Prayer-Book of the Church of England : the second: The Catholicks defence for their adoration of our Lord, as believed really and substantially present in the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist. R. H., 1609-1678. 1687 (1687) Wing W3459; ESTC R16193 65,860 80

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reviver_n of_o this_o rubric_n change_v here_o the_o word_n of_o the_o former_a no_o adoration_n ought_v to_o be_v do_v to_o the_o real_a and_o essential_a into_o no_o adoration_n ought_v to_o be_v do_v to_o the_o corporal_a presence_n 1._o yet_o methinks_v here_o also_o first_o they_o shall_v have_v more_o clear_o express_v this_o to_o prevent_v such_o a_o misapprehension_n 2._o adoration_n be_v grant_v due_a in_o one_o way_n as_o not_o due_a in_o another_o §_o 54_o and_o christ_n natural_a body_n be_v grant_v present_a one_o way_n as_o not_o present_a in_o another_o methinks_v the_o former_a shall_v have_v be_v express_v as_o much_o or_o more_o than_o the_o latter_a and_o the_o whole_a frame_n of_o the_o declaration_n have_v be_v change_v thus_o according_a to_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o those_o who_o receive_v it_o viz._n that_o adoration_n be_v intend_v and_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v though_o not_o to_o the_o sacramental_a bread_n and_o wine_n there_o bodily_a receive_v because_o 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content_n 1._o protestant-concessions_a §_o 1._o 2._o catholick-assertion_n §_o 1._o presupposition_n §_o 1._o 1._o of_o a_o precept_n of_o give_v divine_a worship_n to_o our_o lord._n §_o 1._o 2._o of_o our_o lord_n whole_a person_n its_o be_v where_o his_o body_n be_v §_o 2._o 3._o of_o this_o divine_a person_n be_v supreme_o adorable_a wherever_o his_o body_n be_v grant_v by_o protestant_n §_o 3._o not_o only_o in_o virtue_n but_o substance_n §_o 5._o 4._o that_o this_o presence_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n be_v by_o protestant_n affirm_v in_o the_o eucharist_n and_o that_o this_o body_n be_v then_o to_o be_v worship_v with_o supreme_a adoration_n §_o 5._o 5._o further_o affirm_v that_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n be_v present_v not_o only_o to_o the_o worthy_a communicant_a but_o to_o the_o symbol_n and_o whilst_o present_a be_v to_o be_v adore_v §_o 7._o 6._o grant_v by_o daille_n that_o though_o he_o and_o he_o believe_v not_o christ_n body_n present_a in_o the_o 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