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A01039 An ansvvere to M. I. Forbes of Corse, his peaceable warning Calderwood, David, 1575-1650. 1638 (1638) STC 11143; ESTC S102458 22,575 36

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negative position but is only a rejection of sundrie popish errours particularly expressed with generall clauses for rejection of the rest as your selfe confesse in the 9 page Neither is it a great volumne How often doe your selfe call it a short Confession You saye it may bee gathered by that speach that hee did utterly disallow and annull that Confession Hee allowed it before both in his none age and majoritie Next it was necessarie for the discoverie of masked Papists and still is for masked Papists and Ministers to use such formes of speach I detest I abhorre c. It is strange that that should bee dislyked now which was thought necessarie then But suppose the forme of the Confession was disallowed by that speach yet could it not annull the former mandat A speach uttered in a conference holden out of the Countrie could not repeale the acts of Counsell made at home and his owne publick Proclamation Next that speach was uttered if uttered in a free discourse to such as were there present and was not delivered by way of precept charge or declaration to us M. Patrick Galloway in a letter dated the tenth of Februar 1604. and directed to the Ptesbyterie of Edinburgh hath these words Sundrie as they favoured gave out copies of things heere concluded Where-upon I my selfe tooke occasion as I was an eye and eare witnes to set them downe and presented them to his Majestie who with his owne hand mended some things and eeked other things which I had omitted Which corrected copie with his owne hand I have and have sent you heerewith the just transsumpt of it word by word But in that transsumpt there is no mention of such a speach nor the least inkling against the Confession of our faith which had beene verie pertinent and requisite if hee had intended either a recalling of his mandat or a declaration of his disallowance of that Confession But suppose hee had yet as I have said that could not bee a recalling of his royall mandat the Confession of faith beeing authorized by acts of Counsell acts of Assembly and Parliament neither could the Confession bee abandoned beeing alreadie received sworne and subscribed by the Subjectes universallie Doctor Andrews in his Tortura torti denyeth that hee might have given libertie of conscience in respect of his oath at his Coronation first in Scotland and then in England For then sayth hee hee should bee twise perjured Non semel perjurus esset quin bis si te andiat You would draw upon him a greater guilt that would have made him to draw others also into perjurie You prove next that the royall mandat was made voyde by his death and expyred with the royall breath and to this effect you cite the sentence following out of the glosse upon the 19 chapter of the first Booke of the Decretalls Morte mandantis expirat mandatum which as you have cited is false But these words of the glosse are received Mortuo mandatore re existente integra expirat mandatum The scope of the text is to determine that the jurisdiction of him that is delegate expyreth not by the death of him who delegated if there bee litiscontestation before his death because then the matter is not whole and untouched So likewise Iustinian sayeth of that mandatum that is contracted betwixt him that giveth and him that undertaketh the charge of anye businesse the Mandator and Mandatarius that the contract is loosed if the death of any of them interveene before entrie to execution Si adhuc integro mandato mors alterius interveniat Such like in authorative mandats if hee to whom commission was given to put it to execution depart before hee put it in execution there can bee no farther proceeding till another bee placed in his rowme But for the receiving the Confession of Faith the Commissions given were put in execution both in the 1580 and 1590 yeares The Confession beeing once received sworne to and subscribed could not bee recalled by the death of the King who was the first beginner and ringleader of the work Doth a house fall with the death of the Master builder Neither was that Confession received for the Kings Mandat or direction alone but for the act of Counsell also Now the Counsell never dyeth For politick bodies are immortall and continue by succession Nor yet for the act of Counsell but most of all and principally for the ordinances and directions of the generall Assembly And last of all this Confession of faith is nothing els but the first Confession enlarged with some generall clauses and rejection of popish erours To the third Chapter YOu thinke it not convenient that the negative Confession bee authorized at this time and subscriptions requyred thereto and that for the reasons expressed in the conference at Hampton Court and because of some ambiguities and no small difficulties therein How valide your reason is alleadged by you out of the conference at Hampton Court let the Reader judge No man complained of ambiguities and difficulties in it till such as you are began to pretend the same because apparently your eyes were dazeled with the light thereof and you saw perhaps that which you desired not to see Howsoever it is already sufficiently authorized and needeth not to bee authorized againe for want of authoriti●e And seeing it is authorized all the members of this Kirk ought to subscribe it and at this time especially when the frame of Religion was like to be altered If there bee any ambiguities they may bee explained to the subscribers Cavillators and tergiversators should be proceeded against as simple refusers We aggree to the words of the 18 article in the Confession of Faith but that maketh nothing against us who are already perswaded that our Confession is grounded upon the holy Scriptures It is true wee ought to bee busie instructing the people in the positive groundes of trueth but that hindereth us not to explaine to them points of heresie which were set downe for masked Papists and now Ministers themselves are leavened with Poperie Arminianisme Should not the true shepheard bee carefull to warne the sheep if they bee in danger of the Wolfe If any of us have given any other interpretation then the Confession of faith it selfe will beare wee shall bee ready to passe from it when wee shall be convinced You are sorie that some of us in printed workes condemne Episcopacie and the five Perth articles What any have writtten I trust they will bee ready to defend For the present I maintaine that by this Confession which you call the negative wee abjure Episcopacie For in this Confession wee protest that wee detest the Romane Antichrist his worldlie Monarchie and wicked Hierarchie The Popish hierarchie doth consist of Bishops Presbyters and Deacons that is baptising and preaching Deacons For it is so determined by the Councell of Trent in the 4. chap. de Sacramento ordinis Can. 6. Si quis dixerit in ecclesia
catholica non esse hierarchiam divina ordinatione institutā quae constat ex Episcopis Presbyteris ministris anathemasit Bellarmine likewise in his booke de clericis cap. 11. answering to Chemnitius alledging Dionysius Areopagita for three orders only to wit of Bishops priests and dea●ons whom hee calls Ministers sayeth that that Dionysius did not set downe the number of the Orders but of the hierarchies For sayth hee there are three hierarchies in the militant Kirke the first of Bishops the second of priests the third of Deacons and that the deacons are also princes if they bee compared with the people but for inferiour orders subdeacons acolythes lectors exorcists and ostiaries or doore keepers they beare no rule or charge over the people but onely serve the Deacons or the priests For hierarchie properly is sacer principatus a sacred preheminence or rule The fore-named counterfeit writer Dionysius calleth the Bishop the Hierarch because hee is the chiefe Hierarch The Pope himselfe is not within the hierarchie primats Metropolitans or Arch-bishops but as they are Bishops Whereas some alledge that in our Confession wee detest and abhorre his hierarchie that is to bee interpret as the rest are to be interpreted to be his as canonization of Saints dedicating of Kirkes dayes altars c. are called his not that there is another lawfull canonization or dedicating of Kirkes dayes altars c. Whereas some alledgde that this hierarchie was before there was a Pope Wee answere that it is called his notwithstanding as dedicating of Kirks dayes altars oyle salt c. are called his Because what ever corruption was in the Kirk either in doctrine worship or government of the Kirk since the mysterie of iniquitie began to work that is Poperie began so much as hee retained and maintained and obtruded by his authoritie upon the Kirke are his Next we must consider the Pope or Roman Antichrist not only in his growth and perfite age but from his conception and first birth Farther this hierarchie is distinguished in the confession from the Popes Monarchie Neither can it bee interpreted of the manifold orders in the Kirke of Rome For that is mentioned before in the Confession of faith where we abjure his manifold orders Next in the Confession of faith we professe that we abhorre and detest all kinde of Papistrie in generall and particulare heads even as they were then damned and confuted by the Word of GOD. and Kirke of Scotland But so it is that the office of a Bishop was condemned by the Kirk of Scotland and confuted in the pulpits by M Lowson M. Arburthnot M. Pont and many other godly and learned men From the yeere 1575 to 1579 when the heads of constant policie and plat-forme of discipline were agitate in Assemblyes it was declared that such as had the Bishoprickes and were called Bishops should bee tyed to particulare flocks that they should be called by their owne names or the name of brethren that they should bee content with reasonable rent and not lift up for the maintenance of their ryotousnesse the emoluments of the Kirk which may sustaine many Pastors the Schooles and the poore that they should not claime the titles of temporall Lords that they should not usurpe criminall jurisdiction that they should not exerce temporall jurisdiction that they must not empire above particulare elderships nor usurpe the power of presbyteries In reforming the corruptions of that estate they abolished Episcopacie after they had agreed on all the heades of the constant policie in Aprile anno 1578 which are extant in the booke of policie or 2 booke of discipline But besides there was a speciall act made in Iulie 1580 at Dundie with full consent of the whole Assembly against the office as followeth For às much as the office of a Bishop as it is now used and commonly taken within this Realme hath no warrant authoritie nor ground in the word of God but is brought in by the folly of mans invention to the great overthrow of the Kirke of God The whole Assembly of the Kirke in one voice after libertie given to all men to reason in the matter non●opponing themselfe in defending the said pretended office finds and declares the said pretended office used and termed as is abovesaid unlawfull in it self as having neither fundament ground nor warrant in the scriptures of God and ordaines that all such persons as brook● or shall brooke heereafter the said office shall bee charged simplie to dimitt quyte and leave off the same as an office whereunto they are not called by God and suchlike to desist and cease from all preaching of the Word ministration of the Sacraments or using any way the office of Pastors till they receive de novo admission from the general Assembly under the paine of excommunication wherein if they bee found disobedient or to contraveene this Act in any point the sentence of excommunication after due admonition is to bee executed against them The Confession of faith was not authorized and subscribed till March and the yeere following It is cleare then that that office is abjured in the Confession of Faith seing it was consuted by the word of God and Kirk of Scotland In the Assembly holden at Glasgow in April 1581 we have this Declaration in the sixth Session Anent the act made in the assembly holden at Dundie against Bishops because some difficultie appeared to some Brethren to arise out of the word Office contained in the said act what should bee meant thereby the Assembly consisting for the most part of such as voted and were present in the assembly at Dundie to take away the said difficultie resolving upon the true meaning and understanding of the said act declareth that they meant wholly to condemce the whole state of Bishops as they are now in Scotland and that the same was the determination and conclusion of the Assembly at this time Thirdly in that Confession we professe that we joyne our selves willingly to this true reformed Kirke in doctrine faith Religion discipline use of the Sacraments as livelie membere of the same in Christ our head promising swearing by the great name of the LORD our GOD that we shall continue in the obedience of the doctrine and discipline of this Kirke shall continue in the same according to our vocation and power all the dayes of our life under the paines contained in the Law and danger both of body and soule in the Daye of Gods fearefull Iudgment But so it is that the Episcopall governement was damned and the presbyteriall rested upon as most consonant to the word of God to be observed in all time comming before the Confession of faith was subscribed And while the generall assemblies wtre about the constitution of presbyteries the King sent with the Laird of Capringtoun to the assemblie holden at Glasgow in Aprile 1581 a plot drawne up for that purpose together with a letter which was to