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A61545 A discourse concerning the nature and grounds of the certainty of faith in answer to J.S., his Catholick letters / by Edw. Stillingfleet ... Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. 1688 (1688) Wing S5582; ESTC R14787 74,966 133

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sure_a footing_n p._n 172._o he_o reject_v extrinsical_a medium_n as_o insufficient_a and_o require_v intrinsecal_n faith_n vindicated_n preface_n at_o the_o end_n he_o own_v his_o discourse_n to_o be_v build_v on_o intrinsecal_n medium_n error_n nonplus_v p._n 169._o he_o require_v clear_a evidence_n from_o the_o object_n to_o ground_v a_o firm_a assent_n page_n 170_o 171._o he_o make_v it_o necessary_a to_o true_a certainty_n that_o it_o be_v take_v from_o the_o thing_n or_o object_n and_o true_a certainty_n he_o say_v be_v build_v on_o the_o thing_n be_v as_o it_o be_v and_o nothing_o can_v ever_o be_v true_o know_v to_o be_v otherwise_o than_o it_o be_v in_o his_o subscription_n to_o the_o instruction_n from_o rome_n p._n 12._o he_o deny_v that_o he_o speak_v of_o intrinsecal_n requisite_n to_o faith_n but_o only_o of_o extrinsecal_n and_o this_o he_o go_v about_o to_o prove_v against_o his_o own_o plain_a word_n in_o his_o declaration_n sect._n 3._o pag._n 34_o etc._n etc._n how_o 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