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A86931	A plea for Christian magistracie: or, An answer to some passages in Mr. Gillespies sermon, against Mr. Coleman. As also to the brotherly examination of some passages of Mr. Colemans late printed sermon, upon Job 11.20. In which the reverend and learned commissioner affirmeth, he hath endeavoured to strike at the root of all church government. VVherein the argumentative part of the controversie is calmely and mildly, without any personall reflections, prosecuted. / By William Hussey, minister of the Gospell, at Chesilhurst in Kent.	Hussey, William, minister of Chiselhurst.	1645 (1645)	Wing H3819; Thomason E313_7; ESTC R200474	46,951	61

Againe God is said to put all things under him whereby it is implied that all things were not under him before they were put under him but as the second Person in Trinity so nothing could be said to be put under him because they were in that respect alwaies under him And lastly nothing is excepted from this subjection 1 Cor. 15.28 the Son also himselfe shall be subject to him that put all things under him so Christ hath dominion over all things they are put under his feet in such a condition in such a consideration as he himselfe is subject to God but in the consideration that Christ is the second person of Trinity so he is not inferiour to God the Father therefore he hath not all things put under his feet as second Person in Trinity Phil. 2.8.9.10 being found in fashion as a man he humbled himselfe and became obedient to death even the death of the crosse wherefore God also hath highly exalted him and given him a name that in the name of Iesus every knee should bow you see he that was in the forme of a servant was exalted under that description and so high that every knee should bow to him but as second Person in Trinity hee was not found in the forme of a servant but as mediator so he was God in the forme of a servant But Mr. Gillespie hath a distinction between dignity power and kingdome but proveth only a posse that such a distinction is conceiveable and may be found in earthly Kings but a posse ad esse in Christ● non valet consequentia but here I further note that Mr. Gillespie in the close of his brotherly examination when hee commeth to apply this his distinction to the mediator he saith as mediator he exerciseth acts of divine power and omnipotencie over all creatures in the behalfe and for the good of his Church and restraineth or diverteth or destroyeth all his Churches enemies notwithstanding in the 43 page he denieth any such working to belong to Christ as mediator but as God whereby yee may see how weake these grounds are and how small a matter it is for a Rhetorician to forget himselfe in the following of an argument There remaineth now that something bee said in vindication of Mr. Coleman from the charge of mis-application of two Scriptures The first is the 1 Cor. 12.28 hee citeth to prove civill governments in the Church unto which Mr. Gillespie saith first if by governments in that plate Civill Magistrates were understood yet that place saith not that Christ hath placed them then à foreiori you disclaime by that means any government in this place as officers under Christ I thought Mr. Gillespie would not have let goe the hold he hath under Christ for his Church governments from this place so easie Mr. Coleman need not trouble him false about proving that they were put in the Church under Christ I hope if in the Church they will be content to be Christs Vicars or else if Mr. Coleman will be ruled by me so as Mr. Gillespie will not urge this for constitution of Church governments hee shall let it goe God hath placed governments in his Church and if they be meant civill governments hee hath gotten thus much that civill governours are in the Church by Gods appointment and then I hope Mr. Gillespie will not deny the roome that God hath given them in the Church upon this ground that God hath nothing to doe to place them there they should have come in by Christ Hee brings an argument out of Calvin because the Apostle spake of such governments as the Church had at that time but the Church had no civill Christian Magistrates at that time only the major of that argument wanteth proofe that the Apostle speaketh of such officers as were in the Church in his time only that cannot be proved I shall urge some few arguments to the contrary the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 will not enforce is seeing that word will signifie proposuit or decre●●● as well as posuit he hath appointed and that may take in not onely such officers the present state of the Church did affoord but also hose as should hear caster by Gods appointment come to the Church and this is plain that in sundry places the word doth so signifie as Joh. 15.16 I have ordained you that you shall goe and bring forth fruit Act. 19.21 Paul purposed both made by 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet both are referred to time to come and then that which you translate placed may be rendred he hath appointed to his Church the execution referred to the providence of God when he shal be pleased to affoord his Church the enjoyment of these severall endowments and gifts for it is plaine there is in that catalogue some such as the Church shall not alwayes have and why not some also which at that time the Church had not This cannot be a catalogue of such officers as are at all times necessary to the Church for then Apostles might not be mentioned because the Church is and long time hath beene without them as workers of miracles 2. At that time there were workers of miracles which did supply the defect of civill Magistrates which is to workt upon naturalls to induce men to attend upon the means Act. 8.6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake hearing and seeing the miracles which he did Thus much a nationall covenant and civill Magistrate may require of the people that they will attend upon the meanes out of naturall principles Deum esse 〈◊〉 in the maner of which worship so farre as concerneth the externall education from youth and tradition instruction of parents and humane lawes are the foundations and the bounds of nationall and publique worship and upon this ground the Israelites were commanded to reach their children the Law of God and God entred into covenant with the father for the child as with Abraham and the same obligation lieth upon Christian parents to instruct their children Eph. 6.4 And you fathers provoke not your children to wrath but bring them up in the ●urture and admonition of the Lord. Which yet they might not if the doctrine of the Gospell might not be received of the father for the son and the father might not require of his son the forme of doctrine Saint Paul calleth the doctrine of the Gospell Rom. 6.7 a forme God be thanked ye have obeyed the forme of doctrine that was delivered unto you 2. Tim. 1.13 Hold fast the so me of sound words which thou hast heard of me this is called fides quō cr●dimus and this may be the obligation of humans society and God and Christ and Scripture may be agreed on by naturall men even as Idolaters set up their worship yet if the Scripture be received for the rule there is a sound forme of words and he that heareth and beleaveth

any to heare in season and out of season this is your Christian liberty that in matters of liberty ye make rules and laws to your selves not crossing the ends that you are tyed to in duty but if Assemblies of Ministers might make Canons and bind men to obedience under penalty of excommunication what were this other then to Lord it over the flocke or what were this if not teaching for doctrines the precepts of men but this is endeavoured to be amended by intermixing of Lay-elders what ground they have for that will I hope appear if the whole matter come into just concertation by dint of argument In the mean time if the State thinke fit to suffer the Assembly to vote what they doe is but humane one good reason is better then many votes in matters of doctrine and matters of government it wholy belongeth to the Civill Magistrate this should be rightly considered on what is Christs cannot bee remitted to you if by him placed in other hands if he hath set up government in the Church it must be far above all government in a Christian Commonwealth and it were sacriledge of the highest nature for you to restraine Christs officers by any power if you put the matter to vote in the Assembly they will hereafter tell you of it in both ears But if ye desire to know the truth by that time Schooles of Divinity be up but halfe the time the Assembly have sat ye shall finde more the present condition of things require your present action You may you ought to covenant for the whole Kingdome for time place and maintenance of Gods worship you have as the great Sanhedrim of the Kingdome power to judge of false worship you may make use of the sword to drive out Idolatry and will worship and accordingly may require all men in the Kingdome to come to the severall Parish Churches of their abode and require such as you receive for the Preachers of truth to send able men to supply the places and that without any regard to the allowance and disallowance of the people I know these be the great questions of the times and high time it is the truth were knowne concerning them It is time some course were taken to bring men to Church which Independent principles make scruple whether the Magistrate ought to doe unlesse they like their Minister but upon this ground let the Minister be who he will the Drunkard will like the Alehouse better then the Church and this liberty that men take to absent themselves from their Parish Churches give men opportunity to meet and rayse tumults plots seditions and how dangerous these things may speedily be if not prevented let wise men judge Oh that this Honourable Court would hasten to set up Classes consisting only of Ministers whose worke should be only to preach the word and weekly meet in Schools of Divinity where they might not spend their times in examining of Whores and Knaves ye may take another course with them but let them dispute and nurse up yong Scholers who being first made artists in the Universities they may be acquainted with and not lay hands rashly upon a testimony and so send them out to places that want and as for government you know sure that to come to Church is a duty neglect a sin and punishable and what else the Ministers know censurable you know as well as they and you ought to punish but having first set down the sin and punishment not at the discretion of the Minister and his two Elders which yet ought to be according to the Presbyterian principles Only for matter of knowledge that of all things principally belongeth to the care of the Minister and I could wish before this Assembly were dissolved a cleere and full Catechisme were agreed on short and pithy that might be required of all communicants in the Kingdome old and yong high and low and all compelled to it by your authority that so the same thing might be taught throughout the whole Kingdome As for Independents and Anabaptists let them be admitted nay condemned to spend their times in Schooles and not permitted to seduce the people that so at last all things may be carried with strength of argument and unanimous consent of the whole Clergy which would soone come amongst them if they did not relie on their parties and drawing disciples and deciding matters by votes Againe votes are of no other use but to gather parties and ought no where to be used but by those that have power of the sword to compell the dissenting parties and therefore are penalties to terrifie and keepe under the dissenting part annexed to such lawes as passe by vote I pray God it be not in the minde of some of our times to get parties and put the carrying on their ends by the determination of the sword A learned and pious Ministery doe not desire to carry all by vote but a lazie ambitious proud Clergie an industrious learned wait with patience on them that are contrary minded for the day of Gods visitation in the meane time use all means the proud man will take no paines to use means but vote him downe away with him to the divell it is fault enough to crosse them such as stand in their waies are fooles and knaves not fit to be heard or consulted with let it be considered whether parties in Generall Councells have not made parties for the sword I am a stranger to the State whether they doe not make parties among Lords and Commons if they doe not I pray God they may not I know it is very farre from the duties of their places that ought to be peace-makers Learning is low and pride is high among the Clergy I speake not this with reference to what any mans particular diligence hath made him yet I dare say every honest man will confesse had all the Kingdome beene exercised in Schooles of Divinity since the Reformation where ipse dixit had been the word of God a great difference would have been in Ministers from what they are I know men use to say Learning is not so needfull as holines I answer it is not an holy thing for a Minister not to use all means to be learned holinesse and learning will doe well together But an holy Minister ought not administer the Sacrament to a wicked person I confesse there was a time in my youth that I thought so and being pressed to doe it did use all means to make them as knowing as I could which I conceive still to bee my duty but not able sufficiently to satisfie my selfe in point of manner I found Vrsine and others say that if I were carefull to present notorious offenders to them that had power I had done my duty yet still me thought I was not clean handed if the duty lay upon me to examine and try the due preparation of the receiver But upon further consideration I found the Minister charged