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A36095
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A Discourse of infant-baptism by way of a dialogue between Pædobaptista, a minister for infant-baptism, Antipædobaptista, his friend, against it, Aporeticus, an ingenuous doubter
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1698
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Wing D1599; ESTC R27860
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wash_v it_o from_o horrid_a uncharitableness_n aporet_n if_o you_o please_v sir_n we_o will_v dismiss_v this_o part_n of_o the_o controversy_n and_o pass_v on_o to_o that_o which_o be_v historical_a antipaedobaptista_n disow_v the_o consequence_n of_o the_o opinion_n and_o his_o practice_n be_v otherwise_o paed._n i_o know_v he_o do_v but_o the_o most_o of_o his_o fellow_n in_o this_o controversy_n will_v have_v no_o fellowship_n with_o we_o in_o the_o lord_n supper_n because_o we_o be_v unbaptise_v and_o lest_o some_o man_n christianity_n get_v the_o ascendant_n of_o their_o opinion_n they_o be_v pronounce_v by_o these_o zealot_v worse_a than_o we_o and_o we_o in_o their_o language_n set_v our_o threshold_n beside_o god_n threshold_n that_o be_v if_o i_o take_v they_o we_o be_v idolater_n antipae_fw-la i_o hearty_o wish_v a_o better_a understanding_n among_o christian_n but_o if_o you_o please_v we_o will_v according_a to_o aporeticus_n his_o motion_n now_o proceed_v to_o what_o be_v allege_v out_o of_o antiquity_n and_o here_o i_o must_v be_v free_a with_o you_o i_o know_v little_a of_o antiquity_n but_o what_o i_o see_v collect_v by_o writer_n of_o our_o way_n paed._n i_o wish_v all_o unskilful_a man_n will_v express_v themselves_o with_o the_o like_a modesty_n they_o will_v not_o so_o ready_o have_v be_v impose_v upon_o nor_o deceive_v other_o that_o trust_v to_o they_o i_o shall_v give_v you_o a_o honest_a and_o short_a account_n of_o what_o be_v considerable_a in_o this_o matter_n if_o you_o desire_v a_o answer_n to_o mr._n tomb_n the_o learn_a champion_n for_o your_o way_n which_o must_v that_o have_v write_v after_o he_o have_v copy_v from_o you_o have_v it_o perform_v by_o dr._n homes_n mr._n baxter_n mr._n danvers_n that_o take_v the_o magdeburgensian_a centurist_n and_o give_v you_o a_o account_n out_o of_o they_o of_o the_o practice_n of_o antiquity_n neither_o do_v they_o nor_o we_o justice_n and_o have_v bring_v but_o small_a credit_n to_o his_o 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answer_n he_o make_v it_o satisfy_v not_o the_o objection_n our_o saviour_n bid_v let_v the_o child_n come_v and_o he_o answer_v let_v they_o come_v when_o they_o grow_v up_o then_o they_o cease_v to_o be_v child_n such_o as_o our_o saviour_n speak_v of_o if_o this_o answer_n will_v have_v serve_v our_o saviour_n little_a child_n have_v never_o be_v bring_v to_o he_o 2._o from_o this_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o child_n be_v then_o baptise_a or_o what_o need_v the_o objection_n or_o his_o answer_n 3._o that_o christian_n in_o that_o time_n think_v there_o be_v ground_n in_o that_o scripture_n for_o child_n admittance_n into_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o their_o baptism_n compare_v what_o he_o here_o say_v with_o what_o he_o write_v in_o another_o place_n where_o he_o make_v a_o descant_n upon_o these_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n now_o your_o child_n be_v holy_a you_o will_v see_v he_o use_v a_o exposition_n of_o that_o text_n 39.40_o de_fw-fr anima_fw-la cap._n 39.40_o and_o 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