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A49123	Mr. Hales's treatise of schism examined and censured by Thomas Long ... ; to which are added, Mr. Baxter's arguments for conformity, wherein the most material passages of the treatise of schism are answered.	Long, Thomas, 1621-1707.; Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. Mr. Baxter's arguments for conformity against separation.	1678 (1678)	Wing L2974; ESTC R10056	119,450	354

lines to be complete Schismaticks first for choosing a Bishop in opposition to the former secondly for erecting new places for the dividing party to meet in publickly I wonder with what confidence he could deny that S. Augustine had done so much in so many writings and disputations But when I consider how palpably this Author contradicts himself I cease to wonder that he should oppose and contemn that Great man For p. 208. he seems with some passion to interrogate Why might it not be lawful to go to Church with the Donatists and p. 215. why may I not go if occasion require to an Arrian Church when p. 229. he says expresly that it is not lawful no not for prayer hearing conference c. to assemble otherwise than by publick order is allowed And if our Author knew not that as well the Schism of the Donatists as the heresie of the Arrians was often condemned and forbidden by the Emperors and Councils of that age he was very ignorant indeed But the reason which our Author gives why S. Augustine said nothing to the question is as strange as any thing else S. Augustine saith our Author brought nothing to prove that the Orthodox were the true Church or the Donatists were Schismaticks For the Church may be in any number in any place country or nation it may be in all and for ought I know it may be in none without prejudice to the definition of a Church or the Truth of the Gospel He might as well have told us of a Church in Utopia which is the same with a Church in no place country or nation What Idea of the Church our Author conceived I cannot imagine but that which he expresseth concerning it is as contrary to the truth of all the Prophecies of the Old Testament as well as the description of it in the New from whence the definition is taken as light is to darkness For Acts 2. 41. ad finem the Church is described to be a number of men not all nor none called out of the world by the preaching of the Apostles and joyning themselves to their Spiritual guides by Baptism and breaking of Bread by publick Prayers and hearing the Word These in verse 47. are expresly called the Church and to this Church the Lord added daily such as should be saved Now such Churches were by Christ's commissions to be planted in all Nations which we believe was really effected and the truth thereof is still apparent that God hath given his Son the heathen for his inheritance and the utmost parts of the earth for hs possession and therefore to say that a Church may be in none either number or place for I suppose the Author intends both because if it may exist in no place it must not consist of any number nor so much as admit of one as contrary to sense and Reason as to the Truth of the Gospel And is such a fancy as that of Mrs. Trask who having shifted from one Conventicle to another in New-England and at last on pretence of impurity in their ordinances and members separated from them all affirmed that she alone was the Church and Spouse of Christ But I think Mr. Hales himself sufficiently refutes this fancy of our Author Page 185 186. of his Golden Remains he tells us that to prove the existence of our Church before Luther all that is necessary to be proved in the case is nothing else but this that there hath been from the Apostles times a perpetual succession of the Ministry to preach and to baptize of which by the providence of God there remains very good evidence to the world and shall remain Having told us that the Church may be in no place that is in effect that there may be no Church he doth with the more confidence affirm p. 213. That Church Authority is none and tradition for the most part but figment Answ As to traditions in general I defend them not nor can any man else but for such as bear the Characters which Vincentius Lirinensis describes quod ubique quod semper quod ab omnibus we have all reason imaginable to inforce the imbracing of such traditions as have been received and delivered to us by all the Churches of Christ in all ages and in all places unless we were of the Authors opinion that Church authority is none and this can never be made good but by proof of our Authors fiction of a Church in Utopia For if our Saviour did out of mankind redeem a Church by his own bloud if he planted it by his Apostles and promised his presence with it to the end of the world if he made it the ground and Pillar of Truth and promised to hear her prayers and to bind in heaven what they bound on earth and that the gates of Hell i.e. neither persecutions nor heresies nor schisms should prevail against it doubtless there is a Church and that Church hath some authority granted to her by her dear Redeemer to defend that peace and unity as well as those truths which he bequeathed to her Did our Saviour take care for the Church of the Jews only or did he not also mind the Christian Church when Matt. 18. 17. he enjoyns us even in private differences among our selves much more in those which concern the publick peace of the Church as in the case of scandals mentioned in the context v. 7. to go tell the Church and if any should neglect to hear the Church that he should be unto us as an heathen man and a Publican i.e. Excommunicate from that holy Society which punishment being spiritual doth clearly evince that the causes submitted to the judgment of the Church were spiritual also But I demand farther did the Apostles usurp more authority than was given them when they assembled together Acts 15. 6. about the case of Circumcision and after the difference had been fully debated by Peter Paul Barnabas and S. James in the presence of the Elders and the multitude they all agreed and that by the approbation of the Holy Ghost v. 28. to impose upon the Churches certain constitutions as necessary to be observed at that time for the peace of the Church If they did not then the Church had some authority And so when S. Paul pleaded the custom of the Churches of God against contentious persons in the Church of Corinth 1 Epist c. 11. v. 16. And doth not the same Apostle tell us that when our Saviour ascended up on high Eph. 4. 11. he placed rulers and governors in his Church whose care it should be to provide that the people should not be thenceforth as children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of Doctrine by the slight of men and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive v. 14. If Church authority be none to what end did S. Paul injoyn Timothy to see that women should keep silence in the Church 1 Tim. 2. 12. not only

points of Faith delivered in the Scriptures be better understood and confirmed than by the joynt consent of such Ancient Doctors who conversed with the Apostles or their immediate Successors and are rightly called Apostolici many of which were Persons of great Learning and Eloquence and so could not be charged with ignorance And doubtless they were very industrious in inquiring into the grounds of the Christian Faith for which they forsook all temporal accommodations and most of them their lives and against all opposition have not only handed down to us the Scriptures themselves pure and incorrupt but the proper and genuine sense of them We do not make them Judices but Indices fidei not the Authors but the witnesses to confirm and give evidence in matters of Faith 4. The Papists do calumniate the Reformed Divines as if they rejected the judgment of the Fathers whereas they do with one consent and none more readily than they of the Church of England appeal to their Authority for confirmation of the Faith which they profess I could easily fill a Volume with the testimonies of our Modern Divines concerning the authority of the Ancients how competent Judges they are of the questions now on foot The naming of some few will resolve us whether our Author's Opinion or theirs deserves the imputation of grosness and folly Calvin in his controversie with Pighius de libero Arbitrio says The controversie between me and Pighius would soon be ended if he would declare the tradition of the Church in the certain and perpetual consent of the Holy and Orthodox Bucer says as much on Matth. 1. concerning the consent of the Church about the perpetual Virginity of the Holy Virgin Mary That to doubt of that consent unless some plain Oracle of Scripture doth inforce it is not the part of them that have learned what the Church of Christ is When Zanchy was 70. Years old and had long studied the point He tells us in these words Hoc ego ingenuè profiteor talem esse meam conscientiam ut à veterum Patrum sive dogmatibus sive scripturarum interpretationibus non facilè nisi manifestis scripturarum testimoniis vel necessariis consequentiis apertisque demonstrationibus convictus atque coactus discedere queam Sic enim acquiescat mea conscientia in hac mentis quiete cupio etiam mori Epistola ad Confess fidei p. 47. Gualter in his Preface to Peter Martyr's common places says From hence come all kinds of evils the pest of disputatiousness the violation of all bonds of Charity and shaking the fundamentals of Faith because we do not reverence the Ancients as much as we ought Nor fear I to affirm that the chief cause of the Contentions of our Age is because most Divines insist on the Opinions of their present Masters and read their Books not enquiring what learned Antiquity did think or what errors and heresies were condemned by it As for the Divines of our own Church it may be sufficient to mention Bishop Jewel's Chalengee and how well he discharged it If any learned man of our adversaries said that learned Bishop or all the learned men that be alive be able to bring any one sufficient sentence out of any old Catholick Doctor or Father or out of any old General Council or out of the Holy Scriptures of God or any one example of the Primitive Church whereby it may be clearly and plainly proved that there was any private Mass in the world for 600 years after Christ or that c. to the number of 27. Articles now in controversie between us and the Church of Rome I am content to yield and to subscribe And in his Apologie for the Church of England he says We came as nigh as possibly we could to the Apostolical Churches and the Ancient Bishops neither did we direct our Doctrine only but our Sacraments and form of Publick Prayers to their rites and institutions And after him the Church provided by her constitutions Imprimis videant Concionatores ne quid unquam pro concione doceant quod à populo religiosè teneri credi volunt nisi quod consentaneum sit Veteri Novo Testamento quódque ex iis docuerint Antiqui Patres veteres Episcopi collegerint I add only that of the Royal Martyr in his discourse with Henderson 3d. paper When you and I differ about the sense of the Scriptures and I appeal to the unanimous consent of the Fathers and the Primitive Church you ought to find a more competent Judge or to rest in him that is proposed by me And this shall serve to assoil that question which our Author saith carryeth fire in the tail of it and brings with it a piece of Doctrine which is seldom pleasing to Superiors p. 200. But the fire proves an Ignis fatuus and our Author himself brings water enough to extinguish it for in p. 65. he saith If Aristotle and Aphrodiseus and Galen and the rest of those excellent men whom God hath endued with extraordinary portions of natural knowledge have with all thankful and ingenious men throughout all generations retained their credit intire notwithstanding it is acknowledged that they have all of them in many things swerved from the Truth Then why should not Christians express the same ingenuity to those who have laboured before us in the exposition of the Christian Faith and highly esteem them for their works sake their many infirmities notwithstanding From this general contempt of the Fathers our Author proceeds p. 206. to cast a slurr on S. Augustine For having mentioned S. Augustines argument which he maintained against the Donatists which was Unitatem Ecclesiae per totum Orbem dispersae propter nonnullorum peccata non esse deserendam i. e. that the Unity of the Church spread over the whole world ought not to be forsaken for the sins of some few that were in its communion he adds that though it were de facto false that Donatus his party shut up in Africa was the only Orthodox party yet it might have been true notwithstanding any thing S. Augustine brings to confute it And contrarily though it were de facto true that the part of Christians dispersed over the face of the Earth were the Orthodox yet it might have been false notwithstanding any thing S. Augustine brings to confirm it As if that learned Father who was as close and exact a disputant as the Church hath enjoyed ever since had wholly mistaken the question or were unable to urge one argument pro or con i.e. either for confutation of that wretched Schism or for defence of the Catholick Church That learned Father wrote a very large Volume against those Schismaticks which contains so much both of wit and Argument that there would not need any thing else to be said for the confutation of Schismaticks to the worlds end if his arguments were well understood and applyed And when our Author proves the Donatists in two

to teach but command 1 Tim. 4. 11. to give charge concerning widows 1 Tim. 5. 1 7. how to receive accusations against Elders 1 Tim. 5. 19. how to ordain 1 Tim. 5. 22. and see that they held fast the form of sound words 2 Tim. 1. 13. to suppress striving about vain words and prophane bablings such as were the discourses of Hymenaeus and Philetus which did eat as a canker and overthrew the faith of some 2 Tim. 2. 14 16. to rebuke authoritatively such as would not endure sound doctrine but agreeably to their own lusts did heap up teachers to themselves having itching ears 2 Tim. 4. 2 3. And in like manner that Titus should suffer no man to despise his authority Titus 2. 15. but diligently discharge the duties for which the Apostle setled him in Crete i. e. to set in order things which were wanting and to ordain Elders in every City Titus 1. 5. and to reject hereticks after a second admonition Titus 3. 10. Besides we find the Spirit of God commending the Angel of the Church of Ephesus for shewing her hatred against the Nicolaitans and blaming the Angel of the Church of Pergamus for tolerating the Doctrines of Balaam and the Nicolaitans and the Angel of Thyatira for permitting the Doctrine and practice of Jezebel Rev. 2. 6. c. Nor did I ever hear yet of any Conventicle that pretended to have the face of a Church that did not exercise some authority over their members for as the Synod of Dort declared No order nor peace can be preserved in the Church if it should not be lawful for it so to judge of its own members as to restrain within bounds wavering and unsetled spirits This hath been the practice of the Churches of all Ages the particulars to which their authority did extend are not now to be reckoned nor the arguments for vindication thereof necessary to be insisted on I shall shut up this with that of Beza de pace Ecclesiae Neque enim Dei gratiâ ignoro Ecclesiam esse veritatis testem extra quam non sit salus Orthodoxorum consensum in Synodis adversùs Haereticos plurimi fieri par est Patrum in interpretandis Scripturis in refutandis erroribus in admonendis populis labores adeò non contemni oportet ut secundo à Scripturis loco meritò habeantur These things do certainly infer that Church-authority is something However our Author p. 224. dares to tell us that They do but abuse themselves and others that would perswade us that Bishops by Christ's institution have any superiority above other Men further than of Reverence And the reason which he gives for it is this For we have believed him that told us that in Jesus Christ there is neither high nor low and that in giving honour every Man should be ready to prefer another before himself Which reasons do as certainly conclude against Magistrates as Bishops viz. that there is no obedience no tribute or homage due to them by Christ's institution nothing further than an airy superiority of reverence which if the other were denyed would be but a mockery Like that wherewith the late Royal Martyr was Reverenced when the Usurpers robbed him of all that God and the Laws invested him withall and gave him only the superiority of reverence in a Noble Death But as to Bishops let our Author's Assertion Answer it self For first It grants that Bishops were by Christ's institution because by his institution they had a superiority of reverence above other Men. 2ly This superiority was grounded on their Office as Bishops that is Overseers of the Flock committed to their charge which Office was assigned to them by the Holy Ghost Acts 20. 28. And now I would have the Reader consider whether those that by the institution of Christ and of the Holy Ghost were made Rulers and Governors of the Church have no other superiority above other Men beside that of reverence There is more expressed Hebr. 13. 17. in these words Obey them that have the rule over you and submit your selves And when St. Paul instructs Timothy in the office of a Bishop he tells him how he should learn to rule the House of God 1 Tim. 3. 4. by ruling well his own house having his children in subjection with all gravity Again when he chargeth Timothy 1 Ep. 5. 17. to provide that those Presbyters that did not only rule well but laboured above others in the Word and Doctrine should be counted worthy of double honour he intended somewhat more than a superiority of Reverence namely an Honorary maintenance such as was the portion of the elder Brother under the Law not a precarious Eleemosynary stipend but that which was as due to them as the hire is to the labourer and I suppose that this is by Christ's institution the Apostle assuring us that as it was setled by a Divine institution under the Law Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel 1. Cor. 9. 14. Besides the Apostle grounds the superiority of Reverence on that of the office of governing labouring and watching for the Souls of the People So 1 Thessal 5. 12 13. We besseech you Brethren to know them which labour among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you and to esteem them very highly in love for their works sake And that the Apostles were superior in office not only to the People but to the 72. Disciples and to the Deacons is clearly evinced by the Scriptures for upon the miscarriage of Judas another being to take his office Acts 1. 20. the Apostles met together and in a solemn assembly after prayer and supplication the lot fell on Matthias who was one of the 72. Disciples and had accompanied the Apostles all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among them And this method was to continue by Saint Paul's advice to Timothy 1. Ep. 3. 13. where such as had used the office of a Deacon well are said to purchase to themselves a good degree i. e. as the Assembly expound it doth deservedly purchase to himself the honour of a higher office in the Church And whereas we read Acts 1. 3. that our Saviour Christ after his Resurrection conversed 40. days with his Apostles speaking of the things pertaining to the Kingdom of God i. e. the teaching and governing of his Church and when he ascended up on high he gave some Apostles some Prophets c. not only for the work of the Ministry but preventing of false Doctrines and Schisms Ephes 4. 11-14 compared with 1 Cor. 12. 25 28 29. it is evident there was a superiority of office as well as of reverence given to the Teachers Governors of the Church For God hath set these several orders in his Church first Apostles secondarily Prophets c. all are not Apostles nor all Prophets nor all Teachers there were some even by God's institution above