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A06347 An excellent and plaine discourse of the church, whereby the godlie may knowe and discerne the true Church, from the Romish Church, and all other false and counterfet churches, as well for matters of doctrine, as discipline, &c. Written in Frenche by M. Bartrand de Loque, a godlie minister of Dolphenine. And faithfully translated into English, by M.T.W. Seene and allowed; Traité de l'eglise. English Loque, Bertrand de.; T. W. (Thomas Wilcox), 1549?-1608. 1582 (1582) STC 16813; ESTC S103377 172,896 422

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be_v count_v worthy_a of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n for_o the_o which_o you_o also_o suffer_v for_o it_o be_v a_o righteous_a thing_n with_o god_n to_o recompense_v tribulation_n to_o they_o that_o trouble_v you_o and_o to_o you_o which_o be_v trouble_v deliverance_n and_o rest_n with_o we_o when_o the_o lord_n jesus_n shall_v show_v himself_o from_o heaven_n with_o his_o mighty_a angel_n this_o be_v a_o true_a say_n 11.10_o 2._o tim._n 11.10_o that_o if_o we_o die_v with_o christ_n we_o shall_v also_o live_v with_o he_o and_o if_o we_o suffer_v with_o he_o we_o shall_v also_o reign_v with_o he_o now_o out_o of_o these_o place_n we_o gather_v a_o very_a great_a and_o singular_a comfort_n cross_n a_o exhortation_n to_o the_o faithful_a patient_o &_o courageous_o to_o bear_v their_o cross_n for_o in_o the_o first_o place_n we_o know_v that_o there_o be_v not_o any_o ignominy_n or_o shame_n in_o the_o persecution_n and_o affliction_n which_o we_o suffer_v for_o jesus_n christ_n sake_n but_o that_o they_o be_v a_o good_a and_o sweet_a smell_a savour_n before_o god_n because_o he_o approve_v and_o allow_v our_o obedience_n when_o that_o by_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o ourselves_o we_o do_v most_o willing_o present_v and_o offer_v ourselves_o unto_o he_o moreover_o our_o combat_n and_o fight_v shall_v not_o be_v without_o good_a hire_n for_o rest_n &_o quietness_n be_v set_v out_o unto_o we_o in_o our_o pain_n and_o travel_n and_o eternal_a life_n in_o our_o death_n of_o which_o it_o be_v write_v 116.15_o psal_n 116.15_o precious_a before_o the_o face_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v the_o death_n of_o his_o saint_n and_o we_o be_v well_o assure_v that_o this_o our_o good_a god_n behold_v from_o above_o our_o good_a will_n &_o the_o confession_n of_o his_o holy_a name_n which_o we_o make_v and_o yield_v and_o that_o as_o he_o aid_v our_o strength_n and_o power_n so_o also_o that_o he_o will_v crown_v our_o victory_n and_o reward_v in_o we_o all_o that_o which_o he_o have_v give_v 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be_v able_a to_o destroy_v both_o soul_n and_o body_n in_o hell_n 32.33_o mat._n 10._o 32.33_o whosoever_o shall_v confess_v i_o before_o man_n say_v jesus_n christ_n he_o will_v i_o confess_v also_o before_o my_o father_n which_o be_v in_o heaven_n but_o whosoever_o shall_v deny_v i_o before_o man_n he_o will_v i_o also_o deny_v before_o my_o father_n which_o be_v in_o heaven_n he_o that_o will_v save_v his_o life_n 10.39_o mat._n 10.39_o shall_v loose_v it_o and_o he_o that_o lose_v his_o life_n for_o my_o sake_n shall_v save_v it_o let_v we_o know_v and_o understand_v this_o that_o from_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o world_n it_o have_v be_v thus_o ordain_v and_o determine_v that_o all_o which_o will_v live_v godly_a in_o jesus_n christ_n shall_v suffer_v persecution_n 12_o 2._o tim._n 4._o 12_o and_o that_o by_o many_o tribulation_n we_o must_v enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n for_o at_o the_o beginning_n the_o righteous_a abel_n be_v slay_v and_o put_v to_o death_n and_o after_o he_o all_o the_o righteous_a person_n the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n send_v by_o god_n whereof_o some_o be_v deliver_v and_o cast_v to_o wild_a beast_n other_o dye_v in_o prison_n through_o famine_n other_o be_v hang_v and_o strangle_v other_o dig_v into_o earth_n &_o bury_v quick_a therein_o other_o drown_v burn_a behead_v break_v and_o ground_n as_o it_o be_v to_o piece_n dismember_v roast_a boil_a singe_v and_o saw_v flay_v all_o alive_a stone_v whip_v etc._n etc._n and_o be_v there_o any_o which_o be_v able_a to_o describe_v and_o set_v out_o all_o the_o torment_n which_o the_o tyrant_n as_o well_o under_o the_o old_a as_o under_o the_o new_a testament_n judge_v the_o christian_n worthy_a of_o now_o the_o lord_n jesus_n have_v set_v out_o unto_o we_o a_o example_n in_o himself_o teach_v we_o that_o none_o shall_v come_v to_o his_o kingdom_n but_o they_o which_o have_v follow_v he_o by_o his_o own_o way_n 16.24_o mat._n 16.24_o wherefore_o let_v we_o not_o be_v faint_a 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