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A54213 The skirmisher defeated and truth defended being an answer to a pamphlet, entituled, A skirmish made upon Quakerism / by William Penn. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1676 (1676) Wing P1364; ESTC R21605 31,443 43

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that he requires an Obedience without giving Men the Understanding of their Duty again they are Christ's own Words I will send the Comforter or rather Advocate unto you and when he is come he will convince the World of Sin I demand if the Conviction of the Spirit is not here made the Rule of Judgment and Practice Again If I had not done among them the Works that none other man did they had not had Sin here Conviction goes before Sin and that makes Death follow Sin For the Wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all Vngodliness and Vnrighteousness of men who hold the Truth in Vnrighteousness because that which may be known of God is MANIFEST IN THEM for God hath SHEWED it unto them So the Prophet He hath SHEWED unto thee O Man what is good And upon whom doth not his Light arise In him was Life and the Life the Light of Men that was the true Light which LIGHTETH EVERY Man that cometh into the World For it is a Shame to speak of those Things which are done of them in secret but ALL THINGS THAT ARE REPROVED are made MANIFEST by the Light For the Grace of God that brings Salvation hath APPEARED unto ALL Men teaching us that denying Vngodliness and VVorldly Lusts we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present VVorld For if our HEART condemn us God is greater and knoweth all Things Beloved if our HEART condemn us not then have we Confidence towards God which Passages prove an universal Principle not condemning without requiring nor requiring without manifesting and convincing therefore it is no God-blaspheming nor Soul-damning Error as says J. C. p. 14. to affirm that there is no Obligation without Conviction nor Duty without Knowledge what would this Skirmisher mak Jews of us to act upon Zeal without Knowledge or Athenians to worship and dedicate Temples to an unknown God and lay it down for an Axiom of Divinity That Men stand oblig'd not only without but against Conviction is he not like to give a rare account of his Onset that mannages it at this Rate the poor Man has mist his Blow and is fallen down with striking at me this appears by his manifest Mistakes and gross Contradictions too his Mistakes I have already shown I shall now touch briefly upon his Contradictions wherein he is as kind as he was cruel and gives but all that he plundered from us and so ends the Skirmish His first Contradiction is this I grant you that no man stands bound to obey any Command which it is utterly impossible for him to know be convinced of But doth this assoyl and clear him from yielding the Cause But where nothing hinders a man from knowing his Duty but his own Neglect and wilful Carelesness and where a man shall by Sin debauch and sear his Conscience will you excuse this Man If indeed the Case were so that no Conviction could be or none that I could any Way compass then I were in no Fault but where it is my Fault if I be unconvinced in such Case God may justly charge me with the Omission of Duty and the Commission of Evil and by granting this I assoy● and clear the Justice of God No doubt in the least and a Seasonable Peccavi for what he has done for how wide is this off what I have said of which I. C. has said so very ill I say No Command is obliging without Conviction I. C. saith No Command is obliging without Conviction provided he doth not hinder his own Convincement As if I stated it that Let men shut their Eyes stop their Ears rebel blaspheme give themselves up to all Superfluity of Naughtiness till Conscience is seared as with an hot Iron yet without the Conscience be convinced or that God by Force make it to see hear and be sensible whether it will or no men are not obliged by any of his Commands for this is the very Way he states the Case for me though I do so particularly provide against any such dissolute and infamous Pretences This is so plain that when I say that Conviction only obliges to Obedience I add that what works the Conviction is the Manifesting Light Universal Grace or Quickning Spirit in the Heart of Mankind so that let us now see the real Difference betwixt this Skirmisher's Grant at the End of the Day and what he so furiously flew upon in the Beginning Saith he I am bound to obey no Command but what I am convinced of provided I do not neglect or reject the means of my Convincement p. 11. Say I No Command is further obliging upon me then as I find a Conviction in my Conscience by the Light Grace or Spirit of God unto which all men should have regard for that follows in my same Answer as an Explanation and Guard to that Assertion most unworthily neglected by my Adversary only to make Room for this vain and fruitless Skirmish Now unless my Conviction by the Grace of God be neglecting the means of Conviction as most undoubtedly it is not it being the only Way of true Conviction what Iota of Difference is there between my Assertion and his Concession For Instance no man is bound to answer a Question he doth not hear say I no man is bound to answer a Question he does not hear if he did not stop his Ears or refuse to hear saith he as If I admitted that men might stop their Ears and yet be excusable which is to read my Assertion thus No man is bound to answer a Question that he will not hear and no Command is obliging upon a man that will not be convinced The most contradictory to my Assertion that can well be especially when I neither lay the Obligation upon every Conviction but that only which comes from the Holy Spirit of Truth that is alwayes present to convince all of their Duty nor subject that Conviction to the corrupt wills of Men. I shall here sum up all my Authorities into one and that is W. Perkins a famous man in his time whose Judgment may perhaps sway a little to correct the Etravagancy of this young Skirmisher Such Persons as have not so much as heard of Christ though they are apt and sit to be bound in Conscience by the Gospel in as much as they are the Creatures of God yet are they not indeed actually bound till such time as the Gospel be REVEALED or at the least means of Revelation offered Reason I. VVhatsoever Doctrine or Law doth bind Conscience must in some Part. BE KNOVVN by Nature or by Grace or by both the Vnderstanding must FIRST OF ALL CONCEIVE or at the least have means of conceiving fore Conscience can constrain because it BINDETH BY VIRTUE OF KNOVVN CONCLUSIONS in the Mind therefore things that are ALTOGETHER VNKNOWN AND VNCONCEIVED OF THE VNDERSTANDING DO NOT BIND IN CONSCIENCE Now that the Gospel is unknown of