THE DOCTRINES AND PRINCIPLES THE Persecution Imprisonment Banishment Excommunicating of the Saints of God By the Priests and Magistrates of SCOTLAND Contrary to the Doctrine of CHRIST and the APOSTLES Here all may see The Priests of Scotland and their Church and their Persecution Imprisonment and Banishment and Excommunicating of the Saints and Lambs Servants and Children of God which the Lord moved to go amongst them to visit the Seed of God in that dark wilderness-country who has been as Sheep among Wolves Also How pure Religion is turned upside-down and vain Religion got in its place And the pure Doctrine of Christ and the Apostles which saith Entertain Strangers Love Enemies is lost amongst you In stead of entertaining strangers and loving of enemies they Imprison and Persecute and have made their Church unsavory And the Teachers fruits declares to be false who are wrestlers against flesh and blood and strikers at creatures which Christ and the Apostles did not George Weare John Hart William Grey William Stockdale William Mitchell Richard Ismead LONDON Printed for Robert Wilson at the Signe of the Black-spread-Eagle and winde-Mill in Martins-lane near Aldersgate 1659. THE DOCTRINES AND PRINCIPLES Of the Priests of Scotland c. FIRST These Presbyterian Priests of Scotland which Excommunicate and puts out of the Synagouges knowes not the Father and the Son John 16. so no true Christians for how can they be true Christians that knows not the Son of God nor the Father Secondly They are no Ministers of Christ for Christ saith When they curse blesse ye so they be out of Christs doctrine and teaching not blessing but cursing and giving forth curses and all the people must say Amen to their Curses Thirdly They be out of the Apostles doctrine who saith Blesse and curse not Rom. 12.14 so are no Ministers of Christ that curseth and gives forth their Curses to the people to say Amen to them and here they are shut out of the Apostles doctrine and Christs all people mark and take notice them they are that curse which the Apostle saith Blesse and curse not these are the Cursers and not Blessers that Excommunicate you out of the Synagogues Hugh Archball Priest of Stravan John Hume priest of Lesmahagow William Hambleton priest of Glasford James Durram priest of Glasgow John Castaires priest of Glagow Francis Ard priest of Discert Matthew Mackel Priest of Bothwel Henry Foreside priest of Lingiah James Nesmith priest of Hambleton Robert Semple priest of Losmahagow Thomas Garony Priest of Edenbrough John Burnet priest of Kilbroid A short Relation of the Vnjust sufferings of the People of God called Quakers by those unreasonable cursing Priests who covet after innocent blood as the Reader may finde in this ensuing Treatise WILL. OSBVRNE was Excommunicated by William Sterling Priest because he gave his testimony against him and the rest of the Priests Margaret Hambleton was Excommunicated by Lewis Semerell Priest of New-monkeland for entertaining the people of God called Quakers and the denying the tyrannicall power of the Presbitery John Hutchison was Excommunicated by James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton and the Priest would not give him any account for what he did it George Weare was Ecommunicated by John Hume Priest of Lesmahagow and the rest of the Presbytery of Lenarick for entertaining the people of God called Quakers William Michel John Michel Robert Todd Mary Inglish Elizabeth Lappy Marian Michel these were Excommunicated by Peter Kid Priest of Douglass and the rest of the Presbytery of Lenarick for denying that Matthew Mark Luke and John was the Gospel they witnessing the Power of God to be the Gospel Thomas Jacke Gabriel Hood James Cooke Gavine Scevenson John Hambleton Alexander Hambleton Jannett Hambleton Barbarah Hambleton Jannett Hambleton Andrew Hambleton Jane Hambleton Katherine Hambleton Katherine Hart John Allene James Hambleton William Hambleton Margaret Hambleton John Hart James Actkine John Hart Alexander Hart Jean Hart Gavine Hart John Lacoke Jannett Brown Jeanet Hambleton Andrew Brown Jean Brown Thomas Craiqqe John Torrens Katherina Hambleton Katherina Weare Jeanet Weare These were Excommunicated by Matthew Mackell Priest of Bothwell and the rest of the Presbitery at Hambleton for saying that Priests that preacheth up Sin for terme of life be Ministers of the man of Sinne. James Finly William Gray and many others have been Excommunicated by those Priests in that manner And after those Priests had Excommunicated these aforesaid persons they caused a general Synode to meet at Glascow and made an Order and published it in all their Masse-houses that none of those people called Quakers should have any entertainment and that no people should have any dealing with them in any Civil affaires not to give cursed men work as they styled our Friends and hindring men to work for them and that under pain of Excommunication the extent of which Order is that they should neither buy nor sell eat nor drink with them in the Nation William Stockdale and John Boweram being moved of the Lord to go to Strahavan in Evandale and declaring the word of truth there one a Market-day to the people was oftentimes knockt down with stones and stoned out of the town with violence by the wicked people William Stockdale John Gill and several others having a Meeting in Strahavan a company of the Priests hearers came and fell upon them with staves and stones broke up their Meeting and stoned them above a quarter of a mile out of the town insomuch that some bloud was spilt and many were sore bruised William Stockdale was knockt down in the Steeple-house yard of Damanoy and the people set their feet upon him and pulled much hair off his head insomuch that some of them cried he is kild for he could not speak nor rise off the ground for along time George Weare and several others had their Bonnets taken away from them at a Meeting and they laid it before William Lowery called Justice but he instead of doing Justice threatned them saying If they went to that place to meet again he would have them whipt or else he would whip them himself Richard Gollon Bayliff of Leanarick took away William Michels Bonnet by order of William Jacke priest of Carlooke and the Priest would not let him have it again neither would he let the said William and some others stay in the Town all night although the night was stormy and the Priest and the Bayliff had his Bonnet Mary Inglish for going to ask Peter Kid priest of Douglass why he warned them to the Sessions and did not appear to accuse them there was shamefully abused and beaten by the Priests wife and others here 's the Priests fruits George Fox the yonger Elexander Parker and others had their letters taken from them and broke up by George Monk and the Council of Scotland and never returned to them again also ten pounds worth of true books taken away from the people of God called Quakers by George Monk and the Councell of
Scotland and never was given back to this day it being two years since Alexander Parker was cast in Prison by order of George Monk and the Councell George Fox the younger banished and sent from Constable to Constable by order of George Monke and the Councell George Wilson George Fox the younger and Richard Ismead was banished from the Isles of Orkney by George Monks Comand and the rest of the Councel of Scotland Alexander Parker and severall others were comanded and sent out of Scotland by George Monke and the order of the Councell of Scotland Francis Howgill Thomas Robbinson and one more were apprehended at Dumfreize by the souldiers and magistrates of the town whereupon the said Souldiers rifled them and their Port-mantles for Letters but when they could not finde any to accuse them withall the Magistrates cast them into prison as Vagrants and did intend to have sent them into England again by Constables but it being proved that they were no Vagabonds the Magistrates and Souldiers was faine to let them go after all the wrong they had done them though it was to their own shame Christopher Fell was put into prison in Parsley for speaking to the Priest after the Priest had done and the people did threaten that if any Quakers did come again to their Church as they called it they would carry knives with them to stab them to which threatning John Dove who was then Lieftenant of a Troop of Horse and quartered in that town said If they did do as they said he would bring the Troop of Horse and be-set them in their house so to preserve the peace Thomas Holmes and Elizabeth his wife was shamefully abused in severall places in Scotland Richard Pinder was put in prison four dayes and in the Stocks five houres and banished out of the Land for speaking to the people in the Steeple-hous-yard of Kilbryde between the Priests Sermon time Richard Ismead for bidding James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton prove himself to be a Minister of Christ was put in prison there and from thence sent prisoner to Glascow there put in the stooks with a gagg in his Mouth and a paper pinnd on his brest and was commanded to depart the Land William Stockdall was put in prison four dayes in a hole where he could scarce get room to lye down for speaking to James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton James Lanchester and others was severall times put in prison for speaking in the streets of Hambleton John Hart Andrew Browne and John Lacoke was imprisoned severall weeks in Glascow for going to the Priests house to speake to him and the priest excommunicated them in the mean while Thomas Jack was put in prison some dayes for going to the priest to aske why he would excommunicate him the said Thomas Jack was put in prison and kept from his Trade he being a poore man and his wife lying in Child-bed James Lanchester and Robert Withers was banished out of Scotland George Were was put in prison twenty three dayes and nothing laid to his charge justly Will. Michell was put in prison above twenty nine days for taking a wife contrary to the Priests will John Robberton called Lord of Ornock publikely refused to enter Andrew Hambleton in Shawton Hill in his prossession under him because he was excommunicated by the Priest wittnesses of this Alexander Hambleton John Strandders William Gray James Finly Robert Gray Robert Smally John Robbins all five were put in prison because they could not break Christs command John Hart and Jeannett Browne was put into prison for entertaining the people of God called Quakers Three taken out of an Inn by force in the night season between the tenth and eleventh houre and stoned out of the Town these and many more whose names are not here written have suffred much by this persecuting generation of Priests whose throates are open sepulchers to swallow down the bloud of the Saints and Servants of the most high God Hugh Archballs Doctrine and Principles Priest of Stravan in Evendale These are his Principles as follow Pr THat Christ hath not enlightened every one that comes into the world Ans Which is contrary to Johns doctrine John 1.9 Pr. That Christ doth enlighten none but those that do receive him Answ Contrary to John 3 speaking of them which hath the light and are enlightened and will not come to it because the light will reprove them so he that hates the light is enlightened and will not receive Christ Pr That it is blasphemy to say that the true light doth enlighten and condemn the world Answ Contrary to John 1 9 and 3 19 that saith This is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world And this is the Condemnation of the world that light is come into the world Pr To say that which reproves for sin is from Heaven is blasphemy Answ Contrary to John 16 8 which saith it is the spirit that reproves which comes from the Father and the Son which is from Heaven Pr. He cryeth up a naturall light as Sun Moon and Stars and the light of Christ was before these was made and saith it is blasphemy to say they that did the things contayned in the Law was blessed in the deed and the Apostle said the doers of the Law was justified and said he would leave the Friends that speake to him to the mercy of the people Answ Upon which they struck bitterly with books fists and stones to destroy but that same moderate people and Souldiers stayed the Persecution John Hume Priests of Lesmahagow His Principles as followes who got into a Steeple-house and shut the door upon him thus he taught the people Pr THat which was to be known of God was manifest by the things that are created Answ Contrary to the Apostles doctrine Rom 1 19 For whatsoever may he known of God is manifest in them for the invisible things of him from the Creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made even his eternal power and God-head so that they are without excuse So with that of God in them they know the invisible things from the foundation of the world and with that they see the God-head Pr That God was to be known by the things that were made as the Sun Moon and Stars Answ But Jesus Christ said Mat 11 27 No man knowes the Father but the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him and the heathens know not God nor the Jewes had not seen his shape And his servants and workmen did throw water stones and lime and persecuted and dirtted and abused the people called Quakers and threw a pan full of water in a Souldiers neck and the said Priest never reproved them and these be the fruits of him and his own Family in stead of gravity well may the whole Parish be out of order when his own Family is thus So he is one that is reproved by the Apostles doctrine
reasonable and sinful be reasonable both then they are one in unity The Lord will take the soul for an offering for sin doth the Lord take that which is sinful for an offerring Isai 53. see how thou and the Prophet agrees here But what is that soul that the wicked is not able to kill is it not that which God hath in his hand and this is a lye to say that which is reasonable is sinful of one that puts light for darknesse God breathed into man the breath of life and he became a living soul who hath all souls in his hand and the soul is immortal and Christ the Bishop of it is immortal and God hath it in his hand which goeth against him that doeth evil whose hand is immortal but man transgressing against the commands of God the soul lies in death so Christ is the Bishop of the souls so they that came to know Christ their souls rejoyce in God their Saviour Luke 1. Pr. That the evil Spirits are both sinfull and reasonable Answ This is a lie for reasonable is not sinful and unreasonable is sinful 2 Thes 3. they have not the faith and if the evil Spirit be reasonable and the good reasonable they are both one who then is unreasonable If the evil Spirit be reasonable thou pots no difference between the precious and the vile thou hast the Mark of a blind guide and a false Prophet in thy so ehead Pr. That one of them Quakers is worse then the Devil A. This is a lie with his strange wonder for there is nothing worse then the Devil whose children you are for when he speaks a lie he speakes of himself and he is the Father of it Henry Foreside Priest of Lingiah in Dunbarton shire His Doctrine and PRINCIPLES Pr. THat God commands all every where to repent to the end that they should not have it to say but they were warned but not that he would give them grace to repent Answ Here thou makes God that he does not intend that he speaks and so thou would make him unrighteous though the Lord commands all men every where to repent Acts 17.30 who hath made all Nations of men of one blood to dwell upon the Earth and all being concluded under sin and unbelief that he might have mercy upon all Rom. 3.9 For both Jewes and Gentiles all were under sin and none of them did good no not one And Gods intent is that when he calls men to repentance they should repent when he calls them and many did repent and you are not fit men to be Ministers of Christ or God Now if God command all men every where to Repent and as thou sayst does not intend they should Repent thou and you go about to make God unjust First the Lord he desireth not the death of a sinner but that he should turn from his wickednesse and live Exod. 33.11 Now in the turning from his wickednesse he lives but in going on in his wickednesse he dies so Repentance was Preached from dead works to serve the living God Heb. 6.1 Christ came to call finners to Repentance not the Righteous for the whole needs not the Physitian but to the sick Mat. 9.12 13. And as for saying God did not intend to give them grace though he calls them to repentance That is a lie unrighteous doctrine for the grace of God hath appeared to all men which brings Salvation Titus 2.11 and so as he calls them to repentance he gives them grace that grace which brings salvation which men are justified by so it is saving grace that brings salvation and teacheth to deny ungodlinesse Now they that live ungodly turnes the grace of God into wantonnesse Jude 4. and these are the wells without water in Cains way Balaams way and Cores way Jude 11. speaks the high words in hypocrisie and these are they that separate themselves from the Apostles sensual having not the Spirit Jude 19. and are of old ordained to condemnation who separated from the light which turnes the grace of God into wantonnesse so these are they that neglect the common salvation it was the charge of the Apostle to Timothy before his decease 1 Tim. 4.2 2 Tim. 4.7 Then told him perillous times should come and Doctrines of Devils and men speaking lies in hypocrisie he said unto them that they should trust in the living God who is the Saviour of all men and especially of them that believe 1 Tim. 4.10 But the Devils Doctrine leads them from their Saviour and from the grace 2 Tim. 4.1 And they that are not in the Doctrine are from the light which Christ hath inlightned them withall John 1.9 And have turned the grace of God into wantonnesse and pernitious wayes and drawes others from it and we do conclude that to be the Doctrine of Devils which sayes God calls all men to repent and intends not to give them grace nor would not have them to repent as thou Henry Foreside doth say for it was the charge of the Apostle to Titus to speak sound words and sound Doctrine and could not be condemned Titus 2. and told him that the grace of God which brings salvation had appeared to all men which taught them to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lust and to live godly soberly and righteously in this present evill world these things speak and exhort with all authority Tit. 1. But as I said before ungodly men that turn the grace of God into wantonnesse are of old ordained to this condemnation and this the is condemnation of the world that light is come into the World and men love darknesse rather then light because their deeds are evill John 3.19 he that loves the light the light is his Saviour but he that hates the light it is his condemnation Pr. That the two parts of the Church must be prophane and godless Ans The Church is the Pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim. 3.15 The Church of the living God for the ungodly are out of its grounds and that which is ungodly the pillar and ground of truth there is no ungodly in it and the Church is without wrinkle or spot holy without blemish Eph. 5.27 and the Church is in God 1 Thes 1.1 That which is in God is in the light and out of the ungodly Pr. That God before the world was had ordained one little part of the people for eternal life that sin or do all the evil they could they could not loose that which was ordained for them Ans Here thou goest about to make Christ a lyar for he that commits sin is the servant of sin 1 Joh 3.8 saith He that commits sin is of the Devil saith the Apostle and thou wouldst make God partial and hast taught a Doctrine contrary to the Scriptures For God is no respecter of persons Rom. 2.11 Who will give to every one a reward according to their works Psal 62.12 And he that works iniquity must depart cursed from Christ
hath done and doth he shall live so Gods wayes are equal Ezek. 18. And thou sayest they thought they had been righteous but it was not so And the Lord by the Prophet saith it was so that they should live in their righteousnesse and dye if they depart from it and transgressed here thou art a diminisher from the Prophets and Apostles words whose name is diminished out of the book of life read Rev. 22.19 Pr. He denyed that Christ dyed for all men but for the Elect. Answ Contrary to Johns Doctrine who saith he is the propitiation for our sins and not for our sins onely but for the the sins of the whole world 1 John 2.2 and so it is the unbeliever that is shut out and not believing in the light that men are enlightened withall with which light they might see the one offering who tasted death for every man Heb. 2.9 and doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world that all through him might believe and they that believe not in the light are condemned Joh. 3.18 but believing in the light shall come out of condemnation and he is the Saviour of all men but especially of them that believe 1 Tim. 4.10 and the grace of God which brings salvation hath appeared to all men which was the saints Teacher Titus 2.11 12. and they that turn it into wantonnesse shall with it be condemned Jude 4. and they that set up a heap of teachers 2 Tim. 4.3 after their own lusts and went out from the Apostles doctrine before the Apostles decease 1 John 2.19 and have turned the grace of God that brings salvation into wantonnesse ever since and saith it hath not appeared unto all men which brings salvation which is saving grace and Christ Jesus doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world that they might believe and walke after him and saith they that follow him shall not abide in darknesse but shall become the children of light and have the light of life John 8.12 Now say they that hate the light it is not sufficient it is not a saving light but they shall find it sufficient to condemme them and their unbeliefe for not believing in it for believing in it they come to have the light of life John 8.12 and John 12.36 Pr. He being asked who were hirelings if they were not that did take hire his answer was they were hirelings that did not take hire and to prove it he brought that scripture in Philipians of them that preached Christ of envy and strife Answ Now all may see what doctrine he brings to pervert or rest the scriptures Philip. 1.15 to prove them hirelings that do not take hire that in the Philipians doth not prove that they were hirelings neither did they take hire so that for his purpose makes nothing though for this purpose he brings that scripture but that his folly and darknesse might appeare and be made manifest by the light for now to it his deeds are come who is unfit to talke of the scripture Pr. He said it was the cleare mark of the Devil to go up and down from place to place to preach as the Quakers doe Answ Now here in this he may charge all the prophets Christ and his Apostles which went up and downe from place to place Heb. 11. that this is the marke of the Devill but this is too manifest to bring to light and discover the Presbyterian Priests of Scotland who lies in Dens and Corners and fat benefits and there stick in the earth and are crept into houses who say it is the Devills marke to go up and downe to preach but this is that they may manifest themselves to be judged by the practice of Christ and his Apostles that their folly might appear unto all men Luke 9.5.8 Heb. 11. likewise the Presbyterian Priest are turned like ranters who saith whatsoever man doth God hath a hand in doing of it whether Good or Evil if a man commit never so much sinne and live never so wickedly he shall go to Heaven if he be ordained there to come how was God greived when David sinned the Lord was angry the Lord was wrath when the children of Israel sinned against him it greived the Lord that he had made man when all flesh had corrupted his way Gen. 6.6 and thou and you go about to make God the author of sin and saith God hath a hand in it whatsoever a man doth here again you and thou be in the doctrines of Devils what shall we say that God is the author of sin God forbid Rom. 6. they that transgresse the commandments of God provoke him to anger and though God created the evil Isa 49.7 yet his commandments was to man that he should not go into it Gen. 2.17 Gen. 4.7 Ezek. 18. but when he did he transgressed the command of God so he who saith if ye murther God is the author of it if ye persecute God is the author of it if ye do unrighteously God is the author of it you that murther persecute and do not righteously are of him that kept not the command of God of whom ye are Joh. 44. that would persecute and murther thou art gone out of the command of God and joyned with the Devil 1 John 3.8 that went out of the truth the Devil he went out of his estate and the woman hearkned to him and went out of her estate and man to the woman Gen. 3. The Jews went out of their state when they persecuted Mat. 27.25 Cain went out of his state when he murthered Gen. 4. The Christians went out of their estate fince the daies of persecution who had the name of Christianity Cain went out of his state when he murthered and Balaam went out of his state when he coveted the wages of unrighteousness and admired mens persons Numb 22. Jude 11. Core went out of his state when he gain-said the truth Num. 16. Jude 11. the false Prophet and the Antichrist which is the Beast and the mother of Harlots went forth from the state of the Apostles 1 John 2.19 which hath been fince the daies of the Apostles and so all wars and fightings and adversaries is because of being out of the truth fallen out of it James 4. there is pride and Lucifer Isai 14. and that is it that is of old ordained to condemnation Jude 4. and to be kept down and to be condemned everlastingly and there the time that shall be witnessed fit for the fire and Death and Hell and the false Prophet and the Dragon and the Serpent cast into it Rev. 20.14 but leaven is known that leavens into the new lump 1 Cor. 5.7 the everlasting fire that burns for ever Mark 9.46 how are the professions formes and religions fallen from the state and lost the state and out of the state that Christ was in the Prophets were in Abraham was in David was in Moses and the Apostles was in and remains in a form of their
was never any since the world began was free from sin nor never shall be write that said he Answ Which is quite contrary to plain Scripture Rom. 6.18 20 22. Being made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousnesse for when ye were the servants of sin ye were free from righteousnesse but now being made free from sin and become servants of God ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end everlasting life for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord And Paul said Rom. 8.2 The Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death A Relation of some of the Sufferings of Friends to the Truth in Scotland JOhn Roberton called Lord of Ornock publickly refused to enter Andrew Hambleton in Shawton-hill in his possession under him because he was excommunicated by the Priests Witnesses of this Elexander Hambleton and John Strudders William Gray James Findly John Gray Robert Smally John Robine was summoned to be upon a Jewry at Dunbarton and when they came there and went within the Barr they puld off their Bonnets and bad them swear unto whom they answered they would not swear But they will tell the Truth and take God to be their Witnesse upon it but this they would not receive for John Callhonne called the Sheriffs deputy bad them swear by God and hold up their hands or go into prison and it was answered we dare not transgresse the Doctrine of Christ who said swear not at all he said it was but the Law of Christ that bad men not swear but the Law of God bad men swear and so would have set the old law over Christ who is the end of it who forbids swearing And because they durst not transgresse the Doctrines of Christ in which the Apostle lived who said Above all things my Bretheren swear not at all they put them all five into Prison The Heads of that which past in Discourse betwixt the People called Quakers and the two Priests of Hambleton in the Priests house The Names of the Priests are Jam. Nesmith and John English in which Discourse they have manifested themselves and all the rest of their Generation to be none of the Ministers of Christ but the Ministers of Anti-christ who preaches another Gospel then the Apostles did as in the Discourse following you may plainly see And also some Reasons why we deny them First JAmes Nesmith said There is no salvation in an ordinarie way for sinners without externall Revelation from the Scriptures Answ Here all may see they hold out another way to salvation then the Prophets and the Apostles did for they said Christ was given for salvation to the ends of the earth Isay 49.6 and there was not salvation in any other nor no other Name given by which any can be saved but by the Name of Jesus Acts. 4.12 But that salvation they tell of which is by external revelation from the Scriptures was never held forth by the Prophets nor the Apostles nor declared of in all the Scriptures of Truth therefore all may see they are such as preach another Gospel then the Apostles did and so are to be holden accursed and turned away from Gal. 1.8 Jam. Nesmith said That Christ doth not excommunicate the knowledge of himself but by the Scriptures and that the Scripture is the means by which the knowledge of God is imparted Answ This is a lye and Scripture contradiction For Christ who doth communicate the knowledge of himself by his own Spirit saith none knows the Son but the Father neither doth any man know the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveal him Mat. 11.27 So it is not by the Scriptures that the true knowledge of God is imparted to any man but by Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 The second Priest John English First Said the Vail that was over people in the time of the Law was the Old Testament and it was taken away by the New Testament Answ Sin was and is the vail by which the mystery was vailed all the time of the Law until now for when Moses is read the same vail remains over their hearts for their minds was and is blinded by the God of this World lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the Image of God should shine unto them 2 Cor. 4.4 nevertheless when their hearts shall be turned to the Lord the vail shall be taken away 2 Cor. 3.16 which vail is done away in Christ 2 Cor. 3.14 and not by the Scripture which they call the New Testament and here John English is proved to be a lyar and of his father the Devil who is a lyar from the beginning 2. John English said That the Gospel that was preached to Abraham was the same for matter but not for substance neither was it a clear Gospel Answ The Gospel that was preached to Abraham was the same for matter and substance which Paul preached for matter and substance is one and it was a clear Gospel for Christ the substance was preached to Abraham and Abraham saw his day and rejoyced John 8.56 Therefore give over deceiving the people with lies and repent 3. John English said The Scripture is the glasse by which we see the Face of God Answ This is a lie and Scripture contradiction for the Apostle saith God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness hath shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 Mark the Priests ignorance or the Scriptures and here all may see that he is one of them that keeps people in darkness from seeing the face of God and erres not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God 4. John English said The foundation of the Prophets and Apostles was meant the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament Answ The Prophets and Apostles meant what they speak and the same foundation which they declared of and builded upon did 〈◊〉 Enoch Noah and others who died in the Faith before the Old and New Testament was written build upon which foundation was Christ the Rock of Ages the foundation of the chief Corner Stone 2 Tim. 2.19 1 Cor. 2.11 But thou art one of them that drawes people from the foundation of the Prophets and the Apostles to build upon thy lies and consequences which building and foundation the Lord will bring to naught for he is risen to sweep away the refuge of lies which thou and thy generation hath been covered with and will make you naked and bare for your covering is too short that your shame cannot be hid any longer 5. John English said That they had their commission from Paul to give Bread and Wine Answ Here hast thou made it plainly manifest that thou and thy generation are none of the Ministers of Christ who say you have your