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A94720 The female duel, or The ladies looking glass. Representing a Scripture combate about business of religion, fairly carried on, between a Roman Catholick lady, and the wife of a dignified person in the Church of England. Together with their joynt answer to an Anabaptists paper sent in defiance of them both: entitled the Dipper drowned. / Now published by Tho. Toll Gent. Toll, Thomas. 1661 (1661) Wing T1776A; Thomason E1813_2; ESTC R209780 171,193 328

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all that are bitten by the devil As to the breaking of it by Hezekiah I have hinted already that the end for which it was made ceased it was of no use longer then the children of Israel were in the wildernes for there was no more danger of Serpents in the land of promise But the image of Christ Crucified is made to this end to represent to us our bleeding Saviour and to call to minde those benefits that we receive by that his bitter death and passion now this end must last till the end of the world therefore his image is still to be retained and kept with honour for ever 2 King 8 Besides the brazen Serpent after the end of its making ceased began to be as a foresaid an occasion of Idolatry which the image of Christ cannot be amongst us Christians for we know it is set up to no other intent of purpose then to represent our Saviour and his benefits to us Again Levi. 26.1 Josh 24.26 we finde in Leviticus forbidden to make idols or graven images nor to rear up a standing image nor to set up any graven stone in the land and yet we finde that Joshua took a great stone and set it up there under an oak that was by the Sanctuary of the Lord and so the Altar that was built by the children of Reuben and Gad and the half tribe of Manasseh was permitted to them though contrary to their Law so soon as they had satisfied their brethren Iosh 22. that there was no intention of Idolatry in their so doing and in the like maner did Samuel which I have before insisted upon Again if to set up Images in the house of God had been absolutly Idolatry 1 Kings 7 would Solomon have done it Nay it was done by Gods own order so many Lions Oxen and Cherubims and all carrying a divine morall or signification with them had never sure been set up in that glorious Temple the beloved house of God if they had not been as well usefull as lawfull and specious And so let the use remain in the name of God and the abuse be taken away In the last place I beseech you tell me now if that Scripture and the whole Church were filent in this case by what reason you proceed when you endeavour with so much charge and artifice to paint adorne and preserve the statues and Pictures of Princes and great persons the pictures of Parents Children husbands and wives you will not deny but this you do and you think well done too What madness therefore must it needs appear to be in you to contemn the picture of Christ Spit upon his Images or throw durt in the faces of them beat e'm down abolish or exterminate them would not any indifferent person say that sees those actions that you have a greater kindness for a parent kinsman child or freind then you have for your Crucified God I must tell you that a good honest Pagan would blush and be troubled at it a good Jew would no doubt be pleased at the action yet angry with all those that did it and none but the Devil could rejoyce and make sport with it I am sure I pitty it as the action of poor blind men that are led by those that are willfully blind that is blinder than themselves To what you are pleased to alledge against our doctrines of Indulgencies Purgatory and prayer for the dead I answer thus To the first Now first as to the matter of Indulgencies you say you have but one blow to give me but that must be a mortall one and that must be out of S. Paul to the Romans well I shall freely and humbly grant all that the holy Apostle saies that nothing that we suffer heer can be compared to the glory that we are to receive by his favour he●reafter But you must understand that as the works of Jesus Christ upon earth so are those of his saints heer as well satisfactory as mertorious For he merited both for himself us For himself he merited because by the humility of his passion he merited the glory of his Resurrection for so S. Paul tells us Phil. 2.9 10. that being found in fashion as a man he humbled himself and became obedient unto death even the death of the Cross wherefore God hath highly exalted him and given him a name which is above every name c. Then he merited for us Rom. 5.17 18 19. as S. Paul declares to the Romans for if by one mans offence death reigned by one much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by Jesus Christ therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men to justification of life for as by one mans disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous c. For all this his works were meritorious Now they were satisfactory not for his own sins because he had non as S. Peter tells us Who did no sin 1 Pet. 2.22 Esay 5.4.5 6. Ephes 5.2 1 Pet. 2.24 neither was guil found in his mouth but for our sins as is apparent out of scripture he was wounded for our transgression and brused for our iniquities the chastisment of our peace was upon him and with his stripes we are healed All we like sheep have gone astray we have turned every one to his own way and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all c. therefore S. Paul tells us that he hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour and S. Peter saies that his own self bare our sins in his own body on the Tree that we being dead to sin should live unto righteousness by whose stripes we are healed 1 John 2 2. and S. John assures us that he is the propitiation for our sins and not for ours onely but also for the sins of the whole world just so we are to conceive of the works and sufferings of the saints which as they are meritorious are more then enough and infinitly beyond their merit remunerated as the Apostle whom you so urge does diliver to us But as they are satisfactory for punishment we do finde that there are many saints who have satisfyed and suffered more than they ought to have done for their own sins as is plain in holy Job Job 6.2.3 in whose book and divers others of holy writ it is said that he suffered much more than he deserved and S. Paul speakes it most plainly of himself Colos 1.24 thus who now rejoyce in my sufferings for you and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his b●dies sake which is the Church Can any thing be more plain than this for the doctrine
unto Moses in the Cloud and in the Sea Now it is certain that the Infants were as well in the cloud and in the Sea as their Fathers were and were so also figuratively baptised Again S. Heb. 6.4.6 Paul has a remarkable passage in his Epistle to the Hebrews which is this For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the holy Ghost c. If they shall fall away to renew them unto repentance This must be understood of the renewing by baptisme which cannot be reiterated not of repentance which we know may be though you and some other Hereticks deny it and from thence infer a renovation of Baptisme Again to the Romans for if through the offence of one many be dead Rom. 5.15 16 17 18 19. much more by the grace of God and the gift by grace which is by on man Jesus Christ hath abounded unto many and a little after saies as by one mans offence death reigned by one much more shall life by one Jesus Christ and again as by one mans disobedience many were made sinners So by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous from hence we infer that as both men and childeren were capable of death by Adams fall so both men and children are capable of a regeneration by Christ 1 Cor. 15.20 Rom. 6. This the Apostle confirmes again to the Corinthians when he tells them for as in Adam all dye that is children as well as men even so in Christ shall all be made alive that is children too as well as men and that is by baptisme by which we are all incorporated into Christ as the same Apostle saies in another place Then we finde that the Apostles did usually baptise whole families and housholds Ags 16.14 as in the Acts Lydia was baptised and her houshold and St. Paul saies he baptised the houshold of Stephanus c. 1 Cor. 1.16 now in those housholds there were undoubtedly children too and this has been always so universally practised in the Church that no sober Christians can doubt the truth of it And if there be yet any room for a doubt be pleased to take this argument along with you Whoever are capable of justifying grace may by Sanctifying grace be freed from original Sin and so by consequence must be capable of the remedy of originall sin and that is biptisme b●t infants are capable of justifying grace as is plain in the example of S. John Baptist of whom it is said that he was sanctifyed filled with the holy Ghost from his mothers womb Therefore sure children must be thought capable of the remedy against original sin and that is baptisme So now I shall proceed to prove some thing of the character imprinted on our souls by Baptisme which it seems gives your party somuch scandall Now that this character of ours is plainly prefigured and spoken of in the old Testament as first in Exodus Exod. 12 7. where we finde that the blood of the Lamb was to be sprinkled on the two side-posts and on the uper dore-posts of the houses where the passover was to be eaten that so the destroying Angel might pass them by So Christ in Baptisme by the merit of his blood does sign the side posts and uper dore posts of our souls that they may be preserved from the malice of the devil Again we find that this Christian character of ours was perfectly prefigured in the mark which Ezekiel speaks of Ez. 9.4 by Gods command v. 6. And the Lord said unto him go through the midst of Jerusalem and set T. a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh that cry for all the abomination that be done in the midst thereof a little after when the Lord commanded to slay utterly both old young both maids little children but charged them not to come near any one upon whom was the mark you may observe by the way that the mark was to be set upon young as well as old little children too to be preserved from the hands of the destroyer that mark T then spoken of is presumed by all the learned to be the Tipe of our character in Baptisme Then this mark is most clearly prophesied of exprest by the Prophet Isay 66.18 19. where speaking of the conversion of the Gentiles the future glory sanctity of the Christian Church he saith It shall come that I will gather all nations tongues they shal come see my glory I will set a sign among them I will send those that escape of them unto the Nations to Tarshith Pul Lud that draw the bow to Tubal Javan the Isles afar off that have not heard my fame neither have seen my glory they shal declare my glory among the Gentels Hear the Prophet plainly forsees prophesies the sending of the Apostles Disciples into Africa Jndia as well as Europe and that this sign or character which we treat of shall be establisht amongst all Christians But now the new Testament is so plain express in this point that we admire how any knowing Christian can dispute it First St. Paul saies to the Ephesians 1.13 14. in whom also after that ye beleived ye were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise which is the earnest of our inheritance c. by which text it is evident that the faithfull in the regeneration of Baptisme are signed sealed and marked by the holy Ghost that the sheep of Jesus Christ may be known and distinguisht from others Again the same Apostle repeats in the same Epistle Ephes 4.30 Grieve not the holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption that sealing of the holy Ghost is the only character that we speak of and which is seems gives you so much scandall St. Iohn in like manner is very large in his discourse upon this sealing of a Christian in his whose book of his Revelation 7.2 3. but particularly in one place produceth an Angel ascending out of the East and haveing the seal of the living God crying with a loud voice to the four Angells to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the Sea and saying hurt not the earth neither Sea nor the treas till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads what is that seal I pray but our most sacred Christian Character which we receive in Baptisme Thus we weak women have been bold M. R. to shew you some of our little skill in Scripture by offering to your serious consideration these sew Texts not doubting but your better Bible abilities will soon furnish you with more If your own obstanency of Spirit which you call Text-fastness will permi● to you a right understanding For it is impossible that any one who keeps so contant a reading and conversation in Scripture as most of you do should not be satisfyed in what is there declared against all sorts of such Phanatick Spirits unless they be resolved as it is to be feared most of you are to prejudicate nay to violate the sense of the holy Spirit it self You know none are so blinde as they that are so willfully nor so ignorant as they that will not understand from which perversity if not reprobation of sence we do humbly pray Allmighty God to deliver you and all other missed Souls of mistaking Christians and give you all that humility and resignation of Spirit as is requifit for all those that will grow in grace and in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and his holy word So fa●e you well and believe that we are M. R. Your friends in Christ M. N. FINIS
Micah 6.6 by pretended good works in this Pathetical expostulation Wherewith shall I come before the Lord and bow my self before the high God Shall I come before him with burnt offerings with Calves of a year old Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of Rams or with ten thousands of Rivers of oyl Shall I give my first-born for my transgression the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul Then the Prophet concludes immediately He hath shewed thee O man what is good and what doth the Lord require of thee but to do justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with thy God What can be more evident then this to shew that God Almighty requires nothing of a sinner but a faithfull returne to his Duty Where is then your pitifull satisfaction Our Saviour Jesus Christ did most sufficiently satisfie for our sins by his own most bitter passion and death as is abundantly clear in Scripture nor was his precious Passion sufficient only to take away the sins of the whole world which it may be you will willingly grant but also to take away the pains and punishments due to us for them for the Prophet I say affirms it thus surely he hath born our griefs and carried our sorrows Isai 53.4 5. and again he was wounded for our transgressions he was bruised for our iniquities the chastisement of our peace was upon him and with his stripes we are healed Thus it is plain aswell the punishment of sin as sin it self was taken away by him without any piece of our satisfaction required And Jesus Christ the great Physitian he always makes a perfect cure of sin and punishment what need then is there of our satisfaction That the Root and foundation of all these your doctrines is extreamly false and that Man hath no free-will at all is proved most plainly thus The Blessed Baptist assures us that man can receive nothing except it be given hipe from Heaven Saint James likewise tells us John 3.27 that every good gift and every perfect gift Jam. 1.17 is from above and cometh down from the Father of Lights c. Saint Paul yet more plainly 2 Cor. 3.5 that we are not sufficient of our selves to think any thing as of our selves but our sufficiency is of God 1 Cor. 4.7 And to the same Corinthians saith What hast thou that thou didst not receive now if thou didst receive it why dost thou glory as if thou hadst not received it With the truth of all these Texts how can your Doctrines of Free-Will stand 2. Rom. 9.19.16.18 Isa 63.17 Jerem. 10.23 Prov. 16.1 Prov. 30. Again Saint Paul to the Romans quctes the Words of the Lord to Moses I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion from thence draws an Argument himself against your Free-Will to then it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that sheweth mercy Therefore he hath mercy on whom he will have mercy and whom he will be hardneth what now will become of your Free-Will The Phophet Isaiah expostulates somewhat strangly with God about this O Lord why hast thou made us to erre from thy ways and bardned our heart from thy fear What can man do then with his Free-Will 4th The Prophet Jeremy declares it for a truth of his own knowledge O Lord I know that the way of man is not in himself it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps Solomon assures us likewise that the preparation of the heart in man Jerem. 10.23 Prov. 16.1 Prov. 20.24 and the answer of the Tongue is from the Lord and again mans goings are of the Lord how can a man then understand his own way if he cannot understand it he can sure left direct it The Prophet Isay and S. Paul tells us Isay 45.9 Rom. 9.20 that it is an extravagant thing for the thing formed to say to him that formed it why hast thou made me thus and the Apostle in the same Chapter says that God of his free grace and meer election faves some and not for any thing of their works or freewill that is exprelly said in the Text if it were not it would however follow from reason for otherwise grace would not be grace at all and then concludes as a foresaid that it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that giveth mercy what could be said more cleerly against your Churches doctrine Our Saviour tells his Apostles as three Evangelists do joyntly and severally assure us Mat. 10.19 Mark 13.11 Luke 12.11 that they should take no thought how or what they should speak for it should be given them in the same hour what they should speak for said he again it is not ye that speak but the spirit of your father which speaketh in you if then our ability be so short to speak how much less must it be to do his will S. Matthew again tells us in the same Chapter Mat. 14.29 how our Saviour argues the matter with them are not two sparrows sold for a farthing and one of them shall not fall to the ground without your Father if a Sparrow fall not without him how shall a thought word or action of ours Our Saviour very positively concludes this point in S. Johns Gospel thus John 6.44 no man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him and I will raise him up at the last day what can poor we do then with all the strength of our will or works so I beseech the same Father to draw your Ladiship and all erring Christians to himself This paper my Lady had no sooner read but she sent a messenger with a letter back to Mrs. N. to thank her for the favour of her paper and to assure her of the best satisfaction she should be able to give to it but cheifly to defire her for the future to forbear Scholastick questions least by their little skill in those nicities they might before they were a ware engage themselves in Blasphemy or Heresie So Mrs. N. returned thanks to her Ladiship for her kind caution and promised to avoid all speculative disputes and to proceed upon things more morall and practicall with which the Lady was satisfied so fell to work upon the papers thus To what you alledge against our doctrine of goodworks and for your justification by faith alone I answer thus To the first We do humbly believe acknowledge and profess that the just must live by faith for faith is the foundation of the spirituall building Heb. 11. and the substance of all things hoped for as the Apostle tells us But what you do from thence gather of your faith alone is a meer tearing and a falsifying of all those texts out of the Prophets Apostles and Evangelists For it is no where said that the
then for them and in another place tells them that unless they repent Luke 15. they shall all likewise perish as those upon whom the tower of Siloam fell and to conclude all this least I again endanger to bring an obscurity upon this truth by too great a cloud of witnesses appearing for it S. Paul exhorts us all to approve our selves as the Ministers of God in patience 2 Cer. 6.4.5 in watching and in fastings so I presume you will not still deny that satisfaction is very requsite nay necessary to a perfect penitent To what you alledge against the doctrine of our Church in point of the Liberty of the will I answer thus To the first I answer by granting that all good comes from God the donor but some of those good things he gives through the action of our free-will and others he gives cleerly without it So we humbly confess our merits to be the gifts of God and given by God preventing cooperating and following us in all our thoughts words and actions but this does not at all follow that therefore our freewill cannot actively concurre to make a merit To the Second and Third I say in like maner that God of his great mercy prevents our freewills by moving them and mercifully cooperates assisting them and our Church prays Prevent us O Lord in all our actions c. so that when people do sin God Almighty cannot be made to be the Author of the sin or errour and when we read the text you urge thou hast made us to erre it is to be understood thou hast suffered us so to do or that thou hast hardned it is to be understood thou hast permitted our hearts to be hardned and by this the activity of the free-will is so far from being hindred or deprived that is plainly implied and proved To the fourth I must most cleerly acknowledge with the Prophet that the way of a man is not in himself as to the executions of all his elections in which whether he will or no he may be many ways hindred but the elections themselves are in man with the supposition of divine help and therefore mans will is said to be free not of his actions but action which consists in his judgement and his determination to do or not to do To the fifth I confess it to be an extravagant thing for a man to rebell against or expostulate with his Creator as for any thing formed to do the same thing with or against the workman that formed it or an instrument with the Artificer for every creature is an instrument of the divine power but by all this I cannot see how the liberty of mans actions in a concurrence with the Creator is at all infringed but seems to me rather confirmed the Creator making the Creature instrumentally to cooperate with him To the sixth What our Saviour there adviseth not to take thought how or what to speak for it should be given in the same hour c. was only to take away all anixiety and solicitude of fore thniking Now the case of the Apostles knowledge and ours are very different for theirs was altogether infused and their freewill was meerly passive in the execution of divine dictats it is to be understood far otherwise with us who are bound by our good works freely to cooperate with divine grace To the seventh I humbly conceive that text of the falling of sparows not to concern the matter of free will at all but only that our Saviour would have us cleerly to understand and beleive how all things are Subject to the providence of God To the eighth and Last We must grant that there is no man saved but by grace not by his works excluding grace because works signify nothing without grace For as S. Paul tells us Rom. 8. the sufferings of this present world are nothing to the future glory that shall he revealed in us And to that text that none can come to him unless the father draw him we do acknowledge that there must be such a drawing by the divine grace preventing and coopperating but how to acquiesce in and submit to that divine drawing and not to harden our hearts against his divine drawing nor to shut our ears if we mean for to hear his voice calling to us that is the part of our own free-wills So I beseech you good Mirs N. to have a care least you be found resisting to those divine ealls and attractions which his divine grace is always offering to you and consult with those cleer texts of Scripture that I shall here recommend to you We finde the Lord saying to Cain Gen. 4.6 why art thou wroth and why is thy countenance fallen if thou do well shalt thou not be accepted and if thou doest not well sin lieth at the door c. does not our Lord her cleerly convince Cain of his freewill How more plainly yet does God Almighty expostulate with the Isralites and require their obedience to his law Deut. 30.10 11 12 13 14 15. and the freedomes of their wills For this commandment saith he which I command thee this day is not hidden from thee neither is it far off it is not in heaven that thou shouldst say who shall go up for us c. neither is it beyond the Sea c. But that word is very nigh unto thee in thy mouth and in thy heart that thou mayst do it See I have set before thee this day life and good and death and evill c. can any thing be cleerer for the liberty of mans will The Prophet Jeremy tells us Jerm 5. that these which remain of this last and worst generation shall chuse death rather than life There is choice given to the Jews whether they will serve the Lord Josh 24.15.21 2 Sam. 24.13 Num. 30 or no and the people said nay but we will serve the Lord. There was a choyce given to David which of the three plagues he would have There was a choyce given to the husband in the old law concerning the vow of his wife now there can be no choyce at all without liberty of will Job tells us Job 5. Numb Deut. Psal 107 108 118 that the righteous shall be saved but in the cleaness of his own hands How much do we read of the freewill offerings in the old Testament and David declares that he will freely sacrifice to the Lord again my soul O Lord is always in my hands my heart is ready O Lord my heart is ready and nothing more frequent than such expressions clean throughout the Psalmes The Prophet Isay yet more largely speaks to this purpose Isay 1.16 v. 19. wash ye make ye clean put away the evill of your doings from before mine eyes cease to do evill c. and then presently after if ye be willing and obedient ye shall eat the good of the Land but if ye refuse and rebell Isay 46.12 ye
should deny to be Bishops and yet have very conscientiously avoided marriage The Apostle would not therefore that a Bishop should be found guilty of so much carnality as to be husband to two Wives and the Church taught by Saint Paul ha's forbid bigamy ever since and St. Paul only here lays down the Rule of a Bishops continence that h●● should not take a second Wife To the Fifth I grant chastity to be free but necessary after it is vow'd and then commanded nor does that at all oppose the liberty of the Spirit but promote it for God himselfe does freely and yet necessarily produce the holy spirit It is true likewise what the Apostle says that it is better to marry then to burn but the same Apostle tells you likewise that it is good for a man not to touch a Woman St. Paul would not have a man burn that is tempted of the flesh but he is burnt that is overcome with the flames of concupiscense and for such a man saith he it is better to Marry than to bee always wallowing in the mire if you will put any other sence upon St. Pauls words you wil make St. Paul himself to marry because he had a Prick in his flesh c. I do confesse that I believe it to be very difficult to contein but the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it as our Saviour assures us and St. Paul tels us That though we are tempted of the flesh yet God is faithfull who suffers not to be tempted above that we are able and will be always present to support us if we implore his help To the Sixth To what you urge out of the same Apostle to the Cor. That if thou marry thou hast not sinned c. I answer that St. Paul speaks plainly there of one that was free to marry or not to marry not I say of the Virgin that ha's dedicated it self to God already but of that which is free and at it's own dispose To the Seventh Whereas you say that our vows of Virginity are vain and indeed foolish because impossible I do truly grant as to nature an impossibility and so are many other things that are absolutely commanded But if you consider the assisting grace of God nothing is impossible and every man is capable to receive that whom God shal think worthy to bestow it upon and neither the Pope nor any of his do trust in their external mortifications at all but that God will please to assist those their endeavours with his Almighty grace which hee never denies to those that so dutifully and instantly ask it as they do There is something else that you say in your argument which though it be sufficiently answered I must desire you yet to advise better upon and think whether it was so well said of a woman for which very words Luther himself as I am inform'd lost much of his credit with his own Disciplcs To what you alledge against us for multiplying of Sacraments and making them as you say out of meer humane inventions I answer thus To the First Whereas you are pleas'd to begin so briskly with me and as I take it with a syllogism I professe I know not whether it be true or false in the form but one proposition I am sure is false First that we have any supernumerary Sacraments or any Sacrament that was not of Christs own institution as you shall see how I will prove anon To the Second Whereas you say you have sufficiently already convinced the Sacrament of penance to be none by overthrowing the parts of it Confession and Satisfaction I answer that I humbly conceive that I have sufficiently in my reply restor'd that Sacrament both in whole and in it's parts so shall insist upon it no further neither To the Third Whereas you say that our Sacraments of Confirmation and order are but meer constitutions of the Church and not of Christ I have but your bare word for it and so you must give me leave to deny it To the Fourth As you are pleased to give me something like an Argument so I shall give you something like an answer You say there can be no pretence for to make Matrimony a Sacrament but a few mistaken words of Saint Paul who had no power to make a Sacrament neither c. I concurre with you that Saint Paul had no power at all to constitute a Sacrament nor any but our Saviour Jesus Christ and that it was he who constituted it a Sacrament I shall prove ●non As for the mistaken words in which you pretend Sacrament for Mystery I do confesse that Matrimony is a mystery but how dare you therefore inferre that it is no Sacrament when we know that all Sacraments are mysteries and so the Greeks as I am inform'd do generally call all the seven Then that it is a great Sacrament in Christ and his Church as the Apostle tells us does it therefore follow that it is e're the less a Sacrament on the contrary the Apostle here explains how it is a Sacrament that is how it coms to be the sign of a holy thing and that not of grace only as all the others are but of something more that is of the union between Christ and his Church so upon the matter it is so farre from being no Sacrament that it may be well reputed as a double one with Reverence be it spoken To the Fifth Wheras you say we have a less pretence for our extream unction to make it a Sacrament I do in one sence submit to it for it is not so literally constituted a Sacrament by our blessed Saviour as the other was but yet it was of his own institution as we shall shew anon and if it were not I do not find any matter of false faith in it that an Apostle by the commandement of Christ and possest with his ful authority should have the power to institute a Sacrament But it is plain that our Saviour did institute it and Saint James only publish and declare it And though it were at s●me time doubted whether that Epistle were written by any body else besides Saint James yet it is plainly now admitted to be Canonicall and never denied yet by your own Church And truly he that shall refuse to hear the Church in this particular approving the Epistle of this Apostle will presently throw all Scripture into uncertainty and by the same reason may deny the Epistles of St. Paul or any other Apostles Now because you seem to take for granted that our Sacraments are for the most part humane constitutions and it is of faith that they are of divine institution 1 Pet. 3.15 and we ought to be as St. Peter adviseth us Always ready to give answer to every one that asketh us a reason of the saith and hope that is in us I shall take some pains to prove it to you thus As for our Sacrament of Penance as you
inclosed for which I teturn my most humble thanks and instead of another which you seem to require of me I have sent you two herein inclosed the one to shew you the superstition Idolatry and Will-worship of your Church the other to convince you of the Pride Arrogancy Tyranny and Usurp'd power of it which when your Ladyship hath been pleased to peruse and as well as you can to answer I shall summe up all that you have said rogether and make a short rejoynder to the whole of your replies for I am refolved to trouble your Ladyship with no more Papers so praying God for your Ladyships good health both of Body and Soul I take leave to remain Madam Your Ladyships most assured faithfull servant N. My Lady upon the return of her servant opening the Packet that Mistress N. had sent back to her found the Papers inclosed whereof the first was to this effect as followeth That which your Church teacheth concerning the invocation of Saints is a Doctrine very injurious to God and yet not more prophane then superstitious and impertinent and that I will prove thus 1. Jesus Christ our blessed Saviour with God the Father God the Holy Ghost Holy Trinity in Unity three Persons and one God alone is all-sufficient alone is most liberall and alone is most mercifull and who alone loves us more than all the Saints There is not a Christian living that I think dares deny a word of this if there should be such a monster a were easie to prove every word of it by express Scripture who can think it rationall then to invoke any other thing and besides that this all-bountifull all-mercifull all-powerfull most good most gracious and most loving Lord God has not onely enjoin'd us but importun'd us to pray to him and him alone promising to hear and grant our requests and that I prove by most express Scriptures thus 2. First by the Gospells it is most clear our Saviour in Saint John assures it with a Verily verily I say unto you whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name he will give it you John 16.23 24. and then in the next verse Ask and ye shal receive thus it is but asking of God and having and yet you must think fit to go about by the Saints 3. Then in Saint Lukes Gospel we find and I say unto you ask and it shall be given you Luke 11.9.10 11 12 13. seek and ye shall find knock and it shall be opened unto you For every one that asketh receiveth and he that seeketh findeth and to him that knocketh it shall be opened Then by the paralel of God with a good Father granting his childs requests he concludes how much more shall your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask him Again what you ask in prayet believing ye shall receive as Saint Matthews Gospell tells Matth. 2. with an infinity of other places too many to repeat to that purpose wherefore Saint Paul most pithily concludes Heb. 4.16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of Grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need 4 The Apostle tells us 2 Cor. 1.3 that God is the Father of mercies and the Lord of all comforts who comforteth us in all our tribulation that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble by the comfort wherewith we our selvs are comforted of God c. If all our comfort then be from God had we not better make our address to him that we know is the fountain of all Grace than to the Saints who can have nothing but what they derive from him 5. The same Apostle tells Tymothy plainly that there is but one Mediatour between God and men and that is Christ Jesus what an offence then must it needs be to God to make more Mediators that is the Saints Then we finde frequently in Scripture that he alone maketh intercesion for us as in Isaiah that he makes intercession for transgressors 1 Tim. 2.5 Isai 53.12 Rom. 8.26.24 Heb. 7.25 and Saint Paul tells us that he ever liveth to make intercession for us And again who always maketh intercession for us why should we date to make more intercessors that is the Saints 6. In fine to summe up all in short your Doctrine of invocacion of the Saints is highly injurious to God who is a jealous God and will onely be worship'd It is injurious to Jesus Christ who is the onely Mediatour between God and man Thirdly it is injurious to our selves for it is an argument of a diffidence and distrust in God when we fly to the Saints for succour and then lastly it is an impertinent and unprofitable piece of devotion because the Saints in heaven neither do nor can hear our prayets nor know our wants or what is done here amongst us as Job tells us Job 24.21 Eccles 9.5 his sons came to honor and he knoweth it not Ecclesiastes assures us that the living know that they shall dye but the dead know not any thing and the Prophet Isaiah yet more plainly Isai 63.16 doubtlessthou art our Father though Abraham be ignorant of us and Israel do not acknowledge us c. Thus it is plain that the Saintf in heaven are incapable to know our wants or hear our prayers much less to help us That your Doctrine of Veneration of Images is an abominable Idolatrcus Dactrine and prejudicial to divine Worship I prove Thus. First out of the plain words of the Commandement Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven Image Exod. 20.4 5. Deut. 4.5 2● or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the waterunder the earth thou shalt notbow down thy self to them nor serve them c. The same thing is repeated at the latter end of Ex●dus and in severall places of Deuteronomy and in many other places of the Old Testament 2. Again we find how good Hezekiah 2 King 18.4 removed the high places and brake the Images and brake in pieces the beazen Serpent that Moses had made c. Yet your Religion strives to restore to Christians that kind of worship 3 How well our Saviour is pleased with that kinde of Worship Joh. 22 23 24. you may see in Saint John's Gospell where our Saviour says ye worship ye know not what c. But the hour cometh and now is when the true Worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth for the Father seekes such to worship him God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in Truth Now I would feign know what a Spirit hath to do with Images or how can the worship of Images be thought a spiritual worship 4 Over and above the danger of Idolatry and many unclean thoughts that may be occasioned by Images I shall onely add this
latter end of the Text would have answered the begining for we graunt as aforesayd that the Lord of heaven and earth dwelleth not in Temples made with hands neither is worshiped with mens hands as though he needed any thing that you are pleased I say to leave out and we deny as well as you that God is so to be worshipt in our Churches as if he stood in need of any help of ours To the Third What you urge again out of S. Paul we grant that we are to pray in all places that is to be understood sure of all places of convenience and what place can be more convenient than that which is dedicated consecrated and devoted to that onely use Besides S. Paul said that onely to refute a vulgar errour which was that it was not lawfull to pray any where but in the Church To the Fourth We do not deny but the Temple of the Jews was so destroyed as our Saviour prophesied and that so it ought to be but that signifies nothing to our Churches for as the Evangelical Law succeeded the Jewish Law so the Evangelical Priesthood succeeded the Jewish Priesthood and our Churches their Temple and our unbloody Sacrifice their bloody ones To the fifth We freely grant all that our Saviour sayes as you urge and that the true worshippers of him shall do it in spirit and in truth and we pray you what hinders but that we may do that in our Churches and what is in the text more reougnant to our Churches than to your woods caves and nasty conventicles To the Sixth The Prophet Jeremy whom you urge does most expresly testifie there that the Temple was his most choice and beloved place and addes those words and I will dwell with you in that place Notwithstanding he tells them in the Text you quote that they are not to trust in that for the sanctity of the Temple should not be a priviledge to them if they took wicked courses This is all the scope of the Text and the context To the Seventh We grant it to be true that God is in every place and hears sinners every where does it therefore follow that we must have no Churches This was Jaroboaws argument sure to the Israelites to keep them from their going up to the Temple at Jerusalem when he told them how impertinent a piece of worship it was to take so long a journey to so little purpose You Anahaptists therefore may be very properly in this point called Jerohoites going about to disswade Christians from the use of Churches as he did there the Israelites from their Temple but because we perceive you are a Latinist we shall refet you to a learned Jew to teach you a more Christian religion Joseph lib. 8. c. 12. and that is Josephus who will tell you Deus est ubique sed in uno loco vult orari honorari plusquam in alio God is every where but in one place he wil be prayed to and honored more than another and what you seem to fling against tho riches ornaments of our Churches is nothing to the purpose supposing that we must have Churches at all consecrated to divine use sure common reason tells us that they are not then to be like Burnes nor our Priests to go like Beggars who serve in them what you produce out of Persius is little to the purpose and you shew your self to be a true imitater of your grand Patriarch Martin Luther who when he went about to prove that all things in this world came by a fatal absolute and inevitable necessity produceth a Heathen Poet for his Authority certa stant emnia lege so when we bring clear Scriptures and you are pleased to produce Ethnick Poets we conceive our selves not bound to answer to their authority how valid soever you take it to be for we know they knew not God therefore they are not to be received by us as any authority But of this we shall tell you more hereafter To the Eight I say you have done very bravely to make all Christian Princes and Magistrates to be Pilates and Herodes and whereas you say that Christ asserted Pilates power the contrary is plain out of the Text for our Saviour there clearly taxeth him of sin when he sayes that he that betrayed him into his hands had the greater sin Now that Pilate had a power given him from above our Saviour sayes it but in reference to God that is permissively onely that God did permit to him onely that power for we know it was his own will to offer himself if the Text be understood as in reference to Cesar and the supream civil power you then gain nothing by your argument To the Ninth We will grant you that all saithfull Christians are Priests as they are also Kings that is to be understood spiritually because God reigneth in them by his free grace and they by the unction of his holy spirit do play the Kings over and govern the powers and faculties of their souls and senses hut yet besides those Kings which may be beggars there are and were alwaies Kings and external external Governours In like manner all the faithfull who offer to God their faith and faithfull prayers c. may be said to be spiritual Priests and that Priesthood needs no ceremonies but it is plain that besides this internall Priesthood there is and must be an external one in the Church Take for example every faithfull Christian is the Temple of God for so S. Paul sayes to the Corinthians ye are the holy Temple of God but yet besides those Temples there must be external Temples affixt to certain places in which do meet the Congregations of the faithfull Then as to the words of the Text you quote you may as well infer out of another that all the Jewes were Priests too Enod 19.5 6. for we find in Exodus how God tells them Now therefore if ye will obey my vaine indeed and keep my Covenant then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all peoples and ye shall be unto me a Kingdome of Priests and a holy Nation c. This was said to all Israel and yet you will not deny but there were particular Kings and Priests besides In fine you know well enough the difference between a Priest of your making and a Priest of Gods making a Lay-Priest and a Hierarchical one but you are willing to let your selves be cheated by that sophisme of equivocation that you may do again as Jeroboam did set up your Lay-Priests to hinder people from going to Rome as he did to hinder the Israelites from going to Jerusalem So here again you are Jeroboites To the Tenth We say that you torment and turn that Text of the Apostle to the Corinthians to a most heretical sense for though we are all one body in Christ yet sure it is a most sottish inference to say that therefore we are all the hand or