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A65863	The divinity of Christ and unity of the three that bear record in heaven with the blessed end and effects of Christ's appearance, coming in the flesh, suffering and sacrifice for sinners, confessed and vindicated, by his followers, called Quakers : and the principal matters in controversie, between them, and their present opposers (as Presbyterians, Independants, &c.) considered and resolved, according to the scriptures of truth, and more particularly to remove the aspersions ... cast upon the ... Quakers ... in several books, written by Tho. Vincent, Will. Madox, their railing book, stil'd The foundation, &c, Tho. Danson, his Synopsis, John Owen, his Declaration / which are here examin'd and compared by G.W. ... ; as also, a short review of several passages of Edward Stillingfleet's ... in his discourse of the sufferings of Christ's and sermon preached before the King, wherein he flatly contradicts the said opposers.	Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.	1669 (1669)	Wing W1925; ESTC R19836	166,703	202

was the Word and all things were made by the Word and were all things made by the Scriptures And we say the Scriptures are a better Rule than your Directory for if the Scriptures be the Rule why do you set up a Directory to be your Rule What! will you bore out Peoples eyes that they shall not see how you dissemble And why did you make a Church Faith at Savoy in eleaven dayes time if the Scriptures be your Rule But it seems the Scriptures are not a sufficient Rule for you but your Directory and your Church Faith it seems is your Rule Scriptures are not sufficient to be your Rule And why do you deny Common Prayer and set up a Directory and a Church Faith of your own making And there in your Directory do you not set up your Imaginations and Meanings above Scriptures Come People will not sell their Wits Reason and Understanding Come People you all know that when you come to discourse with these Presbyterians or Independants about Scriptures who say it is their Rule they will presently fall and give it a meaning and say it is their Opinion and Judgement and conceive it to be so And so then the Presbyterians and Independants Meanings and Opinions and Thinkings and Conceivings and Imaginations and Judgements this must be the Rule and not the Scripture then you must not take it as the Scriptures speake The Quakers will take it Literally cry they and these have been the Presbyterian and Independant tricks this long time What think you do we not know your tricks And so you would make People believe what an Esteem you have of Scriptures when it is nothing but Meanings and old Directory and Church Faith Do you think we have forgot your old Malice and Envie when you haled above three thousand of us to Prison in the other Powers dayes and persecuted to Death about thirty three which stands upon Record to this day whose Blood you have drunk and mingled with your Sacrifice and whose innocent Blood lies upon your heads Was the Scripture your Rule to do thus Nay Christ bids you love Enemies let Scripture be your Rule Have you not been like Judas and the Persecuting Jewes and the Heathen that Persecuted the true Christians You have banished the Rule which is to love Enemies and love one another And Christ saith Freely ye have received freely give But you will not give freely for you have not received freely You will have the Club and the Bagg For what havock have you made of them that could not put into your mouths what Imprisoning and spoyling of Goods did you make when you had Power this is not Gospel this is besides the Rule You are worse than the outward Jewes for where did they ever take trebble damages of them that did not hire them It was time for the Lord to bring you down who are judged by your own Rule 10 thly And why do you belye the Quakers with saying That your good Works that is of self are the Meritorious Cause of Justification Answ. Christ Works all our Works in us and for us who is our Justifier S. F. hath sufficiently cleared this matter and answered you 11 thly And where doth the Scripture say The Works of Faith and the Works of Grace and the Fruits of the Spirit are sinful 12 thly And where do the Scriptures hold forth the Sprinkling of Infants and call it an Ordinance and tell of a Sacrament and call it an Ordinance Let us see Scripture for these things and that the Apostles practised them as you do and whether your practises were according to theirs And have you the same Power and Spirit as they had that gave forth Scriptures Answer plainly in plain words of Scripture that you do not err from the Words and Rule which you say is your Rule But do you not remember you Presbyterians and Independants what havock you made of the Goods of the People of God whom in scorn you called Quakers because they would not pay for the Bread and Wine you eat and drunk you drunk it your selves and eat it your selves and made them Pay for it did the Apostles ever do so to spoyl any ones Goods because they would not pay for their Bread and Wine they eat and drunk Come let us see your Scripture your Rule which you boast so much of for these things who make People believe it is your Rule let us see a Rule for this But you grumble because you have not Power to fall upon the Quakers to make them pay for your Bread and Wine you eate and drink as you have done formerly and then when you have done boast that Scripture is your Rule and you say this is Gospel this is Glad Tydings is it and then you spoyl their Goods for your Bread and Wine Where were you in the time of Persecution we could see but few of you then for then you slunk into Holes and Corners had out your Scouts and now when you have a little Liberty what a bawling you make against Quakers You are a little hungry bitten because you have not Tythes and Easter Reckonings and Midsummer Dues and Money of the Quakers for your Bread and Wine will you avenge your self of the Quakers 13 thly And do you not say That your Sanctification and Justification and your Prayers and Graces and Faith all are imperfect as manifest in you Is not Christ Justification and Sanctification And must you not Pray in the Spirit of God And is it not perfect What darkness is this Must not Christ be in you And is not he in you and Faith in you and the Spirit of God in you to Pray by And so if it be imperfect then it is your own Praying and your own Justitication and Sanctification and Faith and Application it 's of your own making and not Christ's for Christ is perfect who Sanctifies and Justifies and his Spirit is perfect Priest Danson Presbyterian how now Dost thou not bring Cardinal Pool and Aquinas and Aristotle to prove thy Assertions and thy Imaginations it seems Scripture is not sufficient Thou wouldst make People believe that the Presbyterians were against the Papists and Heathen both but now they must be the Presbyterians Patrons and yet could make People believe that the Scriptures were their Rule but this must be their Rule the Papists and the Heathen Read Danson's Synopsis of his Quakerism what a bundle of Lyes he hath drawn up together he may take them home to himself 14 thly And why do you Presbyterians cry against the Quakers Light which is Christ as being but an Heathenish light and now to oppose them you are fain to run to the Heathen and to the Papists to find Arguments and then tell People the Scripture is your Rule O Deceipt 15 thly Where doth the Scripture speak of an Humane Nature of Christ in Heaven Is not Christ and his Body Glorified and he the Lord from Heaven for is not

Complacing Love in God Is there any Love in God that is not well pleasing unto himself or that is not of his Good Will or Benevolence which is confest to be saving Or if this Love of Complacency so termed was the Effect of Christs Satisfaction and not the other then was it not in Being in God before But if you say his Love of Benevolence so called or Good Will was only intended for a few or a certain select number and for them only he received Satisfaction or was Pacified doth not your Doctrine herein render him partial and unequal in his wayes whereas he willeth not the Death of sinners but rather their Return that they may Live and God's Love Good Will Patience Long-suffering Forbearance and Goodness is towards all in the first place till men reject it and is manifest in Christ towards Mankind and evidently testified both in his Sufferings Dying for all men and giving himself a Ransom for all to be testified of in due time and that by his Righteousness the free Gift of God came upon all men It 's not said in Scripture that God's Love of Benevolence was to the Elect only or that Christ died for a few only or was given a Ransom for Believers only but for All though All do not accept of the Good Will of God towards them nor of the Offering or Price which would purchase them to God out of their sins and thraldom T. V. Whether is it any absurdity to say that God should be at the Charges of his own Satisfaction Job 33.24 I have found a Ransom Reply In that place cited he should have set down all the verse where it 's said He is gracious unto him and saith Deliver him from going down to the Pit I have found a Ransom or an Attonement So that it 's manifest that this Ransom was all from the Graciousness of God manifest in God's delivering Man from going down to the Pit after that Man is chastened with Pain vers 19 20. and his Flesh consumed under the sence of God's Judgments then a Ransom is found through God's Graciousness to him who delivers his Soul from going into the Pit that his Life shall see the Light v. 28. Lo all these things oftentimes worketh God with Man to bring back his Soul from the Pit to be inlightened with the Light of the Living vers 29 30. Surely Elihu knew more of God's dealing and of his inlightnings thereby than they do who put his Work a far off from them and oppose his Light within being neither willing to wait under his Corrections nor bear his Judgments till they feel his Graciousness and partake of a Ransom thereby from the Power of Sin Death and Hell and to tell of God's being at the Charges of his own Satisfaction how does that agree with the former Doctrine That he never will nor can Pardon without Satisfaction made c. If the Graciousness and Satisfaction was in himself before surely what was performed by Christ for man was an effect of God's Graciousness to bring man to himself and it 's without Controversie that all that is in God and all the Gifts and Benefits proceeding from him to man-wards as also all his Works are acceptable and well pleasing to himself but his Works man ought not to put a far off from himself since that those things which are for man's deliverance and preservations of his Soul out of the Pit God worketh with man and he hath wrought all our works in us Isa. 26. And as for Believing and Obeying his Precepts as a Concurring Cause of Remission T.V. calls this Rank Popery as importing Justification by Works Reply What was said in that case was sufficiently proved from Scriptute and not at all refuted by T. V. when upon man's Return to God forsaking his evil way and believing in Christ the Lord has promised Pardon not to turn away his face but to shew Mercy c. 2 Chron. 30.9 Isa. 55.7 Jer. 31.31 33 34. Joh. 3.16 Acts 10.34 This is no Popery at all to assert Scripture and to confess the receiving of Remission through Repentance and Justification through Faith and that God hath wrought all our works in us and this we confess to and truly own though unjustly we are accused for Popery And if Grace and Justice be very well consistent as is confess'd from Rom. 3.24 25 26. I ask how this consists with your sence of Vindictive Justice else where And the Lord saith I am a just God and a Saviour there is none beside me Isa. 45.21 So he that is a just God is a Saviour and in this was manifest the Love of God towards us because God sent his only begotten Son into the World that we might Live through him herein is Love not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be a Propitiation for our sins 1 Joh. 4.9 10. Now we knowing the Life and Power of Christ and having partaken both of the saving Vertue and blessed Effects of his Sufferings in the fellowship thereof in Spirit as also of the benefit of his Mediation and Intercession we must needs Confess him in all and the Love and Graciousness of God through all And whereas T. V. accuseth W. P. That his enumerating some of the Ends of Christ's mission into the World doth reach no higher then by his setting him forth as a perfect Example Reply Herein he hath wronged and belyed W.P. For in his Book pag. 9.16 17 18 19. W. P. brings several Scriptures both to prove God's Love and Graciousness in giving Christ as also the benefit of Christ to man for his Reconciliation Redemption through his Blood Salvation and Eternal Life through him which is higher or more then being a bare Example for hereby its evident that he was not only a perfect Living Example of Good to Man but a Minister and Giver of it as also the Worker and Author of mans Salvation As also W. P. in his 19. pag. Confesseth That Christ as being Attributed in his Doctrine Life Miracles Death and Sufferings to God as the Gift and Expression of his Eternall Love for the Salvation of men 1. In abolishing that other Covenant which consisted in External and shadowy Ordinances and that made none clean as concerning the Conscience 2dly In promulgating his Message of a most free and universal Tender of Life and Salvation unto all them that believe and follow him the Light in all his Righteousness the very end of his Appearance being to destroy the works of the Devil the which every man comes to experiment as he walks in a holy subjection to that measure of Light and Grace wherewith the Fulness hath enlightened him 3dly In seconding his Doctrines with Signs Miracles and a most innocent self-denying Life 4thly In Ratifying and Confirming all with great Love and holy Resignation by the offering up of his Body to be Crucified by wicked hands who is now ascended far above all

Justification is within and the Mystery of Faith is held in a pure Conscience and the Conscience must be within must it not Reader And so here thou mayst see how these Presbyterians and Independants have erred from the Apostles Doctrine And in Rom. 5. and being Justified by Faith by whom we have access to God by Faith and Justified by Faith in Christ Jesus Gal. 2. And the Apostle saith I live by the Faith of the Son of God and the Just lives by Faith by grace you are saved through Faith Eph. 2.8 Luk. 2.5 thy Faith hath saved thee And do not the Presbyterians and Independants deny Christ's Doctrine who deny Perfection both the Doctrine of God and the Command of Jesus Christ and the Ministry of Christ Jesus and makes void all the Apostles Exhortation For God said to Abraham Walk before me and be thou perfect Gen. 17. And do they not deny the way of God which is perfect Psal. 18.30 And the Law of the Lord is perfect and Christ saith Every one that is perfect shall be as he is And be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect Mat. 5. And Noah was a perfect man Gen. 6. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord He hath made my way perfect 2 Sam. 20. Job was a perfect man and one that feared God and eschewed evil Job 1.1 God will not cast away the perfect man Now do you not say there is no Perfection Do you not give the Scripture the lye God made my way perfect Psal. 18. Mark the perfect man Psal. 37. And the Wicked may shoot at the perfect Psal. 64. And are not you them that shoot at the perfect with your dirty Arrows And Christ prayed That they may be perfect in one Joh. 17. Is not Christ's Prayer to be fulfilled or did he pray in vain Will you deny his Prayer you vain men Is not Christ's Prayers available The Apostle said He spoke wisdom among them that were perfect ye false Ministers say there are none perfect God comforts his People and Ministers and sayes His strength is made perfect in their weakness Herein is encouragement to Perfection by God's Ministers Be perfect be of good comfort but you say none can be perfect and so you are miserable Comforters And the Work of the Ministry Eph. 4. was to bring People to the knowledge of God to a perfect man and to the measure and stature of the fulness of Christ And are not you false Ministers and evil workers who say there is no Perfection you cannot bring them it seems to a perfect man you cannot bring them to the measure of the stature of Christ but runs up and down and fetches all the weaknesses of the Saints and applies them to People to hold up Imperfection to them as Paul Peter John and some others 2 Cor. 13. We wish your Perfection and Heb. 6. let us go on to Perfection And Col. 2. the bond of Perfectness So is it not clear here whose Ministers you are neither according to God nor Christ nor according to the Scriptures nor according to the Prophets nor Apostles By one Offering he hath Perfected for ever them that are Sanctified And what Hee is this but Christ Jesus And now it 's clear That you deny this Faith that Sanctifies and that you deny this one Offering mark for ever them that are Sanctified And so it 's clear That you deny the one Offering of Christ Jesus without the Gates of Jerusalem and sayes That none are perfect and no Perfection here You may as well say there is no Faith here And you that say also there is no Overcoming here you may as well deny Belief here for he that believes is born of God and he that is born of God overcomes the World and greater is he that is in you than he that is in the World So it is manifest That you have not this greater Birth in you to overcome the World and here you stand against all the Believers and all the houshold of Faith which Faith gives Victory And you say there is no Victory here And so what can you cry up but sin and Bawdy-houses And you would rather have your People go into Bawdy-houses then to go to the houshold of Faith which preaches down Sin and Imperfection For God is perfect his Way is perfect and he bids be perfect And the Ministers was to present every man perfect in Christ Jesus see Col. And you Preach up Imperfection for term of Life so Ministers of Satan for the Devil made man imperfect Christ makes them perfect and God made them perfect and said Be perfect So are you not all the blind Guides that leads into the ditch which is a corrupted place that People are corrupted not perfect but the true Ministers presented them perfect in Christ Jesus And so is it not clear That you deny the Blood of Christ and trample it under your feet For Christ Sanctifies his People with his own Blood Heb. 10. The Blood of Christ Jesus cleanseth from all sin 1 Joh. 1. Rev. And he hath washed us from our sins in his Blood And they overcame by the Blood of the Lamb And whose Garments were made white by the Blood of Jesus And do you not give the Apostle and the Scriptures the Lye and makes Christ's Blood of none Effect And sayes They are not made white they are not cleansed from all sin and that they must have a body of sin and death as long as they live and that they are not Redeemed to God Do you not make the Blood of Christ of none effect here which is to wash and to cleanse away that which is brought into Adam by the Serpent and deny Christ's Purchase who purchased his People and Justifies by his Blood and Redeemed through his Blood And what Redemption is this and Purchase is this and Justification is this if they be not Redeemed out of sin and evil and old Adam Christ hath Redeemed us to God through his Blood Rev. 5. Eph. 1. Are not you them that have counted the Blood of the new Covenant of none effect Heb. 10. and troden it under foot wherewith he Sanctifies and so are they that have done despite against the Spirit of Grace for do you not say the Spirit of God is not given to every man to profit withal only some have the Spirit say you Who are they then that vexes it and quenches it and grieves it And were not they wicked People whom the Lord gave his good Spirit to to instruct them Nehem. 9. they were such as rebelled against Nehemiah And here it is clear That you make Sects and denies the Prophets and Apostles Doctrine And you say That Christ doth not enlighten every man that cometh into the World Do you not here deny John's Doctrine and Scriptures and Christ himself who saith He is the Light of the World And deny that which People should believe in believe in the Light that you may become

Heavens and is thereby become a most compleat Captain and perfect Example Obs. Here Christ is confest to as the Gift of God's Eternal Love for the Life and Salvation of men that come to receive him and his Appearance to destroy the works of the Devil which his own Light and Grace maketh manifest as it is believed and waited in and so Christ is the Leader and Captain of such and is made unto us Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption And I ask who are those T.V. saith That the Lord extendeth his special Mercies to And whether is Mercy extended to All in sending his Son into the World and what more special Mercies can there be than the only begotten Son of God who is given for a Light for a Leader for a Covenant for Life and Salvation that whosoever receives and believes in him might receive the blessed End and Priviledge of his Coming and Manifestation to wit Life and Salvation in him from Sin Death and Destruction And whereas T.V. in pag. 65. brings an Instance That the Soul cannot see without the Body for want of an Organ and that therefore tho God separately cannot satisfie because he cannot suffer and man separately cannot satisfie because the satisfaction would not be of infinite value yet as God-Man he satisfied c. Reply Do but mark what an Instance and Comparison he has here brought in Competition with the Infinite Omnipotent God to shew us that God separately cannot satisfie any more then the Soul can see without an Organ And who is it that God cannot satisfie Is it himself Can he not satisfie or please himself Is he ever divided or displeased with himself What gross darkness appears in this Comparison Instance and Assertion to say God cannot satisfie c. and thus to bring the Infinite God and his Infinite Power under the Limitations of finite Creatures Is this any less then Blasphemy let but the indifferent judge in this case Have not these our Oppossers been ready to call us Blasphemers but for bringing an Instance to shew the absurdity of their Doctrine whereas this is an Instance from a finite to an infinite tending to lessen the infinite Power of God And as to his telling That the Soul cannot see without an Organ in one sense that 's not true though he meant outwardly yet it hath a spiritual sight As to his saying That God cannot suffer is in one sense not true though he intended as to Death yet the Spirit of God hath suffered and hath been grieved by man's Transgressions The Rebellious Jews grieved and vexed his Holy Spirit until he became their Enemy and fought against them Isa. 63.10 And did not the Lord say Behold I am pressed under you as a cart is pressed that is full of sheaves Amos 2.13 So did not he suffer in being pressed by them then and did not he say My heart is turned within me my repentings are kindled together I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger I will not return to destroy Ephraim for I am God and not man the Holy One in the midst of thee Hos. 11.8 9. Did not herein his Suffering and Forbearance declare him to be God the Holy One and not man rather then the Execution of the fierceness of his Anger And was not God's being grieved by the rebellious Jews a Suffering when they hardened their hearts and provoked him in the Wilderness for he said Forty years long was I grieved with this generation Psal. 95. therefore to day if ye will hear his voice harden not your heart And did not God suffer long by the old World before he destroyed them seeing when he saw their wickedness it grieved him at his heart Gen. 6.6 Also he said His Spirit should not alwayes strive with them vers 3. So that his Spirit did suffer and was grieved by them before they were destroyed Again How oft did they provoke him and grieve him in the Desart Psal. 78.40 And did not he Complain against the People when they were Rebellious and Polluted saying Your new Moons and your appointed Feasts my Soul hateth they are a trouble to me I am weary to bear them Was not this trouble and being weary with them matter of Suffering and was not this his Suffering for some time before he did ease himself of his Adversaries and avenge him of his Enemies See Isa. 1. And also it 's said Chap. 7.13 Hear ye now ye House of David is it a small thing to weary men but will ye weary my God also And Chap. 43.24 25. Neither hast thou filled me with the Fat of thy Sacrifices but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins thou hast wearied me with thy iniquities I even I am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for my own sake and will not remember thy sins Mark for my own sake So then surely God could satisfie himself seeing it was for his own sake that he blotted out Transgressions and here the infinite Value Ransom and Satisfaction was in himself and what Patience Forbearance Long-Suffering and Forgiveness as was signified by Christ and testified of by his outward Suffering and Death was really in being in God before and in the fullness of time a signal testimony thereof given to man 〈◊〉 induce him to receive the free Love and Grace of God and Life and Salvation in the Son of his Love T.V. Who do ascribe more Grace and Mercy to God than we who do apprehend it in his Son pag. 65. Reply Indeed your apprehensions in that matter are sufficiently manifest before had T.V. added Who do apprehend more Grace and Mercy in God then we that say he cannot Satisfie himself and Christ as man could not satisfie him by finite Suffering and the Grace we ascribe we apprehend it only to extend to a few a select number c. Had T.V. spoke this plainly together People might the more easily have judged whether he has truly ascribed or apprehended concerning the Grace of God and whether many thousands do not ascribe more Grace and Mercy to God that own it in the free and general Extent of it to all men than he hath done Again his confessing That God doth execute his Justice freely as he doth love his Image in his People freely yet both are necessary because Natural and neither forced nor compelled by any External Agent Reply So here 's a better Confession then much of his Work before and it contradict much of it For 1st If his Love be as free as his Justice and neither compelled neither fotced by any External Agent how then is he obliged to take vengeance upon all that have transgressed when upon Repentance he readily pardoneth and passeth by former offences and how then is it impossible for God freely to Pardon 2dly What is that Image in his People he loves freely is it perfect or imperfect if perfect then how do they deny the perfection of any thing within or that 's inherent in the

thereby being to his satisfaction how can men continuing in their sins truly plead they are fully acquitted at once without them and they onely in the implicite belief thereof received from the ridged Presbyters rest satisfied in their sins all their life time And where doth T. D. prove his Doctrine of Christ's being holy by a true inherent righteousness of the humane Nature pag. 25. what Scripture hath he for this or these Expressions was not his Righteousness from the Divine Nature and was it not Everlasting but is not that which is humane Finite And T. D. saying that the Socinians vomit the Quakers have now lickt up pag. 27. herein hath he spoken scornfully and falsly against us which will not at all tend to convince Socinians if they were as bad as rendred but to that they can answer him And his saying the Elect whilst Sinners in state where proves he this that the Elect are Sinners in state seeing the state of the Elect is a sanctified and chosen state out of the World and its wayes chosen in Christ through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth 2 Thes. 2.13 the impossibility of deceiving the Elect is signified Matth. 24.24 where the Calling and Election is made sure they shall never fall 2 Pet. 1.10 And that Christ was made surety of a better Covenant Heb. 7.22 And came to do his Fathers Will Hebr. 10.7 And that his being a Surety is an Act of Grace pag. 28. This we confess and own more then you that contend for Sin for the Will of God is our Sanctification and the better Testament and Covenant which Christ is the Surety Mediator and Establisher of is that of Righteousness Life and Peace wherein Sins and Transgressions are done away and wherein true Believers live to God And as for T. D. his so often comparing God to a Creditor Christ to the Surety and Sinners as the Debtors telling of God being considered as a Creditor and as a private Person pag. 32. But where doth the Scripture so call him Reply He does not speak from a true sence of God or Christ or of Gods Covenant but a Notion he hath learned by Tradition and as to Sinners their case is worse then meerly Debtors they not onely owing obedience to God and Christ but are disobedient and rebellious as the case of Fellons Traytors and other Malefactors is worse then that of Debtors yet Christ is our Surety Mediator and Intercessor to make agreement between God and man and to deliver man from the Punishment and Wrath to come by delivering from Sin the cause of it and destroying the Devil the Author of Sin not for us still to live in Sin and daily both contract more Debt and incur tribulation and anguish upon our Souls Howbeit the Wayes of God extend beyond T. D's comparison his Wayes are not as man wayes nor his Thoughts as mans thoughts for as the Heaven is higher then the Earth so are my Thoughts higher then your thoughts saith the Lord whose graciousness also to poor deceived lost man for his restoration is infinitely beyond mans legality and exactions as the Lord said I will not execute the fierceness of mine Anger I will not return to destroy Ephraim for I am God and not man the Holy One in the midst of thee Hosea 11.9 But is there not perfect obedience now for men to perform must they all live in Sin and Imperfection tearm of life and say all our Debts is paid and if all their Debts be paid why are they not out of Prison Are not all that are in Sin and Bondage of Corruption in Prison and would it be glad Tydings to tell them that though Christ has paid all their Debts and procured their release and ransomed them that they must not expect personal freedom out of Prison nor out of their Chains and Fetters so long as they lived here or if one should tell the Slaves in Turkey that they are ransomed and yet they must not expect personal freedom from their Vassalry and Slavery so long as they live here would this be glad tydings no sure but rather sad news and is just like these Presbyterians and Independants preaching to people and the tendence of their Gospel and pretence of Satisfaction Redemption Ransom c. whilst they hold none of them in Truth nor Righteousness nor in the same Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures of Truth and Testimonies of Christ or his Apostles T. D. pag. 29. He is satisfied and the debt paid too by his Intercession which being grounded upon his Satisfaction supposes it to be what it pretends full and compleat Observ. Here it is to be observed that notwithstanding this his Assertion of the Satisfaction both by payment and punishment being compleatly made and the debt fully paid yet he confesseth to Christ's Intercession but what does he ever live to make Intercession for if all be fully done paid satisfied at once by Christ's personal subjection and obedience must there ever be an intercession for that which is already so fully and dearly paid for as they reckon Christ hath done and God hath granted how will this hold consistent But then it appears it supposes it to be what it pretends full and compleat saith T. D. pag. 30. So here is now supposition and pretence put upon Christ's Intercession and Satisfaction what sorry shallow work is this but it appears But to proceed from one that hath followed his own conceptions notions weak judgement and humane understanding as also one that by his Logick and Traditional borrowed Notions and Doctrines goes about to make People to believe that from him that he hath no Scripture phrase for as that of God being a private person and other things And therefore like a Lawyer is fain to patch up his work as well as he can though in many things it be very inconsistant and repugnant to it self And whereas our confessing Christ both in Life and Suffering to be a perfect and real Example is so much struck at by these Priests and Professors we still withal confessing both to his Power and Living Effects through all and of all his Sufferings Afflictions Death and Life which we reverently esteem touching which I testifie in the Lord that if Christ be not really owned and confessed as he was a real Example both in Life Conversation and in Patient Suffering neither the Fellowship of his Suffering nor the Power thereof is truly known or experienced for they who would partake of the Benefit and blessed Effects of Christ's Death and Sufferings and yet will not own him for their Example shall never enjoy him therein seeing that Christ also hath suffered for us leaving us an Example that we should follow his steps who did not sin neither was guile found in his mouth 1 Pet. 2.21 22. Again Forasmuch then as Christ hath Suffered for us in the Flesh arm your selves likewise with the same mind for he that hath sufferred