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them at a Font in the Name of the Father Son and holy Ghost yet how many imitate them therein and how hot the Presbyterians are for this positive necessity and order it is obvious to every eye As for the forme whether in the Name of Jesus Christ or of the Father Son and holy Ghost this hath been a doubt of long standing and this did cause Novatus to disowne the Church of Carthage for that this form of Father Son and holy Ghost and necessary baptizing of Infants were brought in and he and Cyprian were at great oddes about this order Anno. 240. whilest Novatus very earnestly pleads for it as the practise of Christ's Churches in primitive times and all along the Apostles daies to that hour viz. To baptize in the Name of the Lord Jesus the Head of his Church After that in Anno 400. was great contention about it but I leave this to further light and liberty only affirm with all the Protestants who are engaged against the Papists about the form Synops. 12. Controv. Q. 3. that the name is taken for the virtue power and authority Act. 3. and so doubtlesse the Apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ and healed in his name and preached in his name only Beda Act. 10. Jussit eos in nomine Jesu Christi baptizari But I know no necessity of a Font nor of sprinkling more then of dipping nor any positive necessity of baptizing Infants who are soonest drowned but that these be left to light and liberty of conscience as things left either doubtfull or indifferent in Scripture without positive precept and I am perswaded for that purpose that every one may do as he is fully perswaded As for Infants the Papists make it a ground of their Baptisme that they have the habit of faith in themselves and so partly by their own faith and partly by the faith of others they are to be baptized Bellarm. lib. 1. de baptis cap. 11. So say our Ministers they have the habit of faith though not the act and by the faith of the Parents with that they are to be brought to baptisme but we say with the Protestants against the Papists that Infants have not true justifying faith which is alwaies actuall Gal. 5 6. in themselves nor yet are profited by the faith of others for Scripture saith Rom. 1.17 The just shall live by faith i. e. his own particular faith and beleeve and be baptized not let others beleeve for you for then it were as well that others were baptized for you but this will be enter'd at large I hope in the next part 3. lib. of the body organicall Tertul●ian speaking of Infants saies Fiant Christiani cum Christum n●sse potuerint Let them be made Christ●ans and baptized into the faith when they be able to know Christ Et per fidem est cognitio Christi and that is by faith Wherefore we say that children as children have no right to Baptisme and then secondly that parents 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as parents can't give them a right thereto and seeing Baptisme is the ordinance of initiation or entrance into the Church of Christ it is wonderfull to see how sudden some are to null the very nature of that ordinance But lastly they and the Papists are too nigh one another in the effects which they say such a Baptisme produces in children The Papists affirm that Baptisme takes away originall sin in Concil Trident. Sess. 5. Decret de origin Peccat and in Infants newly baptized there is no mortall sin Rhemists 1 Joh. 1. Sect. 5. So have some Ministers hotly pursued this benefit of baptisme viz. that baptisme wipes away sins going before whilest we dissent and deny this Jesuiticall doctrine applying this to be the effect of Christ's baptisme which none but Christ himself can baptize with Joh. 1.33 M●t. 3.11 viz. the holy Ghost in a spirituall washing our hearts and consciences with the warm bloud of Christ whereof baptisme is a sign if not a seal and in this we have declared our judgement before to be different from the Anabaptists that attribute so much to the form and element as makes it an Idoll But to conclude this it is in baptisme as it was in the pool of Bethsaida if the Spirit move on the face of the waters there is a heal●ng else none 3. There is too much alliance between them in that Ordinance of the Lords Supper so called I shall instance briefly for I have been too long in this chapter in some few particulars The Papists make it no more then a preservative against sin Bel. lib. 4. de Sacra cap 17. and would have confession and absolution of sinnes to qualifie for this ordinance Concil Trident. Sess. Can. 11. and that none are prepared but such as are absolved and then that all may come but that they must be sure to come fasting to it and eat nothing before all that day Concil Constant. Sess. 13. Bell. lib. 3. de Eucharist cap. 22. ratian 4. and then they would have every Communicant highly adore even cultu latreiae and worship the Host c. who doth not is to be accursed Trident. Concil Sess. 13. can 6. And they say even reprobates that receive the Sacrament receive the very body and bloud of Christ Rhem. 1 Cor. 11. Sect. 16. Now although our Ministers I speak of the violentest Presbyterians do not altogether agree with them in these particulars yet they are not far from them 1. For preparation how earnestly doe they presse men to Confession of sins sorrowes legall repentance and the like and bid the people to prepare themselves whilest we say the preparations of the heart are of the Lord Prov. 10.1 Psal. 10.17 Et opera sunt secundum principium a quo sunt and they are good as they are of grace our preparation is to be from Christ in us our wisdome righteousnesse sanctification we hold with the Orthodox Protestants against the Hetero-dox Papists Opinionists and Jesuites that we must have a lively faith who come to this Ordinance but it is to be the faith of the Son of God Gal. 2.20 and that we must have true Evangelical repentance which is for sin as sin but this must be in Christ Jesus repent in Christ believe in Christ for Acts 5.31 32. Christ was exalted to give repentance for remission of sins So that there is no preparation or qualification by any act of our own but all by Christ in us and grace teaching us to deny all ungodlinesse and wordly lusts Titus 2.12 14. For as Mr. Rogers sayes in his right way to be saved pag. 54. many mistake and are deceived whilest they dote for a faith and a repentance of their own make and look for something to ground on in themselves they are like one that does not set a young tree but lets it lye on the ground till he see what 't
with them till a positive warrant for it in the word I say let them but consider this latter baptisme of theirs will be found guilty on the same grounds they charge ours viz. unlawfully administred or by an unlawfull administrator or one not lawfully called to it Some doe it as if they had extraordinary warrant for it whilst extraordinary officers had their Call and Commission immediately from heaven which they cannot prove but we can prove they are ceased Others doe it upon their own private motion and meer supposition that any gifted brother or ordinary disciple that by his gifts and instruction hath won any to this opinion hee may baptize him and so make him sure but if so why did Christ ordain officers and set them in his Church for this purpose and no man saith the Apostle taketh this honour to himselfe but he that is called of God Indeed I did much wonder at the boldnesse of one in Dublin to doe this and yet knowne to be a man of a most dissolute carriage and conversation for cursing and swearing and blaspheming saying A pox upon all Ordinances and Formes and he would downe with them and the Devil take prayers in such desperate wayes as would make an honest mans heart ake and a man of a most malicious spirit studying to doe mischiefe as indeed most of that judgement there are to all that are not over head and ears in with them in their opinion thereby they bring a very great scandal upon the Gospel and hereby they make many enemies to the way they are in as if it could not bee of God but these things are their shame the Lord humble them for it for in these things they exceed all others of that practise that ever I met with whilst many of that judgement here in London other places may be set for eminent examples both to them at Dublin and us here of sweetnesse patience humility obedience self-denial and love even to all Saints and indeed such in whom my soule much rejoyces and hath been much refreshed but I do not finde what lawfull call they have that do administer this Ordinance of Baptisme anew to any And it is not the purse of a True-man in the hands of a Thiefe that makes the Thiefe a True-man But In the last place to bring up the Reare and so all judgements into one that is in the Spirit Sure none can deny but those truly spirituallized in Christ Jesus have the efficacy of baptisme though they were baptised in their infancy which is a Spiritu sancto the inward worke with the outward washing the inward grace and baptisme of the Spirit within 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Rom. 3.6 an insition or incorporation into Christ himselfe Now what can we desire but this in any member that is to be admitted so that grant there were many failings in the outward administration as long as we see so good successe and such a blessing with it though much might be omitted in the outward order of it which might make us judge therefore the Ordinance the lesse useful and more uneffectual but I say as long as we finde the fruit and effect of baptisme to follow this Ordinance in a lively manner upon their soules we are satisfied This covers all former failings and the outward is swallowed up in the inward which is that that we account qualifies them and us and fits them and all for orderly admission and not the outward dipping which many make and call their fundamental Ordinance without which they say they must have no communion with us though wee bee ever so holy or godly Oh I fear such set up the Forme too much and make as meer an Idol of that as others doe or did of Infant-baptisme by attributing to that very empty signe nothing in its selfe Circumcision is nothing nor uncircumcision but a new creature in Christ Gal. 5. what is only to be attributed to Christs baptisme of the Spirit and to his power and powring out from on high And lest I should be thought to censure too severely I shall insert a Letter which was sent to some members of the Church at Dublin with whom I walked there to some few members that those of Waterford held private correspondence with on purpose to break us which they both threatned by the Captaine that brought it and endeavoured by instruments which they had a● worke on purpose in private places with those members to whom they writ this Letter which was indeed of dangerous consequence and did much mischief in the body and made a sore rent at first from us by some whose judgement were blinded though blessed be our God that keeps us night and day the little Foxes were catched and could not root us up and all the effect was to draw that party from us a great mercy to us who were so rigid in judgement against us who did lamentably raile upon us and cruelly afflict and wrong us that would not run rashly with them into that way But as Paul said of Jannes and Jambres their madnesse is made to appear to all A Letter from Waterford The Church of Christ in Waterford walking in the faith and order of the Gospel do wish all grace and peace to the Saints in Dublin Beloved Friends WE hearing that there were many of you that do not onely beleeve but have professedly put on the Lord Jesus Christ by * Baptisme did think it our duty in the bowels of love to enquire of your estate and we hear that you doe not walke up orderly together but are joyned in fellowship with such as do fundamentally differ in judgement and practise to wit such as agree not with you about the true state of a visible Church nor the fundamental Ordinances thereof Now the Prophet saith Can two walk together except they are agreed but that we may manifest to you beloved that wee have a ground and occasion of griefe and offence at your so walking as we shall make appeare from cleare sight of Scripture Consider the Commission in that of Mat. 28 19.20.* where Christ layeth down an order that is binding which is this That they should teach all Nations baptising them teaching them to observe whatsoever he had commanded them ye see here is an orderly way commended to teach to the Nations secondly to baptise such as are taught and thirdly to teach such as are baptised to observe whatsoever Christ had commanded that is as we understand all the Laws of Gods house the baptised person is to submit unto and by the Ministers taught the observation of and this Order is binding And secondly It appears the Apostles did so understand the Commission because they taught and practised this Order and this onely to wit first preached to conversion then baptised Thirdly put them in the practical observation of what Christ had commanded in and to his Church Againe else the Ordinance of the Supper would be prophaned
poor man did still doe all hee could to comfort me and to incourage me and told me that God would not break the bruised reed nor quench the smoaking flax and that I was in the way to have Christ a full satisfaction and bid me be of good comfort but I continued in these troubles and temptations as if Sathan had been let loose upon me yet this did something comfort me that other of Gods people were in the like condition with me but yet I was thus till I met with Mr. Bolton by whom I had much comfort and by other means together I became fully satisfied and assured of Gods love to me in Christ. Experience of Dorothy Emett MR. Owen was the first man by whose means and Ministry I became sensible of my condition I was much cast down and could have no rest within me and so I continued till his going away from us and at his going he bid me beleeve in Christ and be fervent in prayer but I said how should I do to beleeve I lay a long time in this trouble of minde untill in my sleep one night came to me a voyce I thought that said I am the Fountain of living water and when I awaked I was much refreshed for I had great thirstings after Christ and yet I was under some doubts untill I heard one at Cork-house upon that subject Rom. 8. The Spirit witnesseth with our spirits that we are the sons of God So that God satisfied me very much and I have had ever since a full assurance of Gods love to me in Christ. Experience of Anne Bishop I Have tasted much of God upon my spirit the first Sermon that I heard here so wrought upon me that for a year or two I was much tormented and could have no comfort at all or confidence to take Christ when he was offered for I had this objection continually that I was not fit to receive Christ but afterward bearing Christ freely offered without any fitnesse or qualification in us before-hand without any such conditions of worthinesse but with hungrings and thirstings and that hee must be taken thus barely as it were as from us and willingly so as to part with Father and Mother and all for him I was at last wrought upon to take him on these termes and yet I had abundance of temptations and trials both inward and outward which I hope to have time to tell hereafter but I durst not do any duty nor so much as pray before any apprehending that I was an hypocrite and once I sate down in great perplexities when it pleased God to come upon my spirit and to reveal to me that I must beleeve in him and cast my self upon him yet I was troubled and bid the Lord do what he would with me so I might but have him All this was before he made himselfe so known to me as he did afterwards for he made me first to see my selfe nothing and although before I rested on my workes and duties and so I did long yet now I could finde no rest there but thought all my former hopes were gone and Christ to be lost and I was destitute and comfortlesse but since I have found Christ to be mine and that I am his and the Lord hath appeared to be my righteousnesse and hath fully satisfied me so that I live barely upon him Experience of Tabitha Kelsall I Was determined once to have life by my owne actings and thus I was a long time in England I was of Paul Hobsons society and ere long all the Ordinances grew dead unto me and I knew not what to do I lay long under a sad condition and so as I could not read nor pray nor hear but found all unprofitable to me many wayes did God shake me sore and I lay under many trials and shakings long till the Lord came in by himselfe and setled that in my minde which is in Heb. 12.26 Yet once more I will shake not the earth onely but also heaven that those things which cannot be shaken may remaine For the Lord by his voice did thus comfort me that although heaven as wel as earth inward and outward man my spirit as well my flesh and all my works and righteousnesses were shaken yet it was to make way for what could never be shaken and yet after this I was lifted up to much by knowledge and withdrew from Ordinances but seeing how some that did so and denied Ordinances did live disorderly and walke wickedly I was much troubled at it and yet left in the Wildernesse a long time after untill God did discover by his word to me and declare clearly that I must not withdraw from the Ordinances nor deny communion with his people and then I made a Covenant with the Lord that I would not and that I would part with all for one smile and was glad at my heart that I was received again and brought under the means of grace and Ordinances of Christ Jesus Experience of Andr. Manwaring Major I Was brought up well by Parents accounted Puritans till about sixteen years of age after that I was Apprentice in London but ill company drew me away and I took but ill courses untill the three and twentieth or four and twentieth year of my age then I came into Ireland in the beginning of the Rebellion in the North of Ireland I passed through great dangers and many deaths as I may say for there my Father was killed my Wife was wounded and I my selfe with much danger escaped from the bloody Rebels after that at Tredah-fight I was when it was delivered and being laid in the field among the dead with fifteen wounds I was given up for one of the dead but after that recovering I went into Engl. and then returned into Ireland again at which time I began to looke about me to follow the Word to hear good men being sensible of my sinnes and former forgetfulnesse of God and goodnesse I heard one Mr. Owen here who did me much good and made me to see my misery in the want of Christ and so I continued till Mr. Rogers was sent over to us by whom I have received great comforts and assurance of Christ and now I doe verily beleeve I have fellowship with the Father and his Sonne Jesus Christ and finde a great change in me and I abhor ill company and courses and desire to walke in all well-pleasing to God and though I meet with temptations and hindrances yet I blesse God he carries me on in goodnesse and I can now pray and that by the Spirit and I love the Word and Ordinances and do earnestly long to have fellowship with the people of God to watch over me for I am yet weake Blessed be God for his free grace in Christ Jesus before I had any knowledge in Christ the Lord spoke to me by the means of an honest
hath been ever since I acknowledge this great mercy to me and doe live upon Christ the true Messias whom I beleeve to have dyed for my sinnes and will save my soul. Experience of Lawrence Swinfield I Have been a Travell●ur for some yeares and wandred about in far Countries beyond Seas till I came backe againe into England and all this while in my natural condition and so I continued a great while but I came hither in a sad condition and very comfortlesse and could not tell what to doe but to fall to prayer and I did that often and found I thanke God much refreshment from that meanes but nothing to satisfie my minde for I have been much troubled in conscience and could not take comfort untill the Lord was pleased to give in some promises to feed upon as Matth. 11.28 29 30. where he promised to ease the heavy oppressed and to make his yoke easie and light and then I began to long for a Reformation and to desire to be under his yoke which was before I thought a burthen to me and so Esa. 55.1 Come buy without price and without money and so I came as freely as I was called and was presently confirmed by the Spirit of God perswading me to give my selfe up into Gods hands upon these his owne termes and so I did to this day and many other sweet promises I had whereby I had a great deale of peace and comfort and can confidently say the Lord is my God and I have ever since found in me a very great change from what I was before As to instance in anger I am now so free from that Passion that I thinke none can anger me and so for many other things and I have a great delight in the Word and Ordinances and have received a great deal of comfort and been much confirmed by Mr. Rogers and some others and I know now that my Redeemer lives Experience of John Chamberlain I Beleeve as you heard before in one God manifested by three Relations and I beleeve this Church-way is Christs and the very minde of God and that the Premises made to the Assemblies of Sion are yours being thus separate from them wihout But to tell you my life it hath been very evill but now the Spirit of God testifies in mee that I am his About fourteen years agone I was a grievous Wretch and was cast out of doors for my disobedience But afterward being bound an Apprentice the example of my Fellow-Prentice who was well-given wrought much upon mee and hee seemed to mee to doe all for Heaven and to minde Heaven altogether which began to incline mee much that way too and one time I went to him and desired him to own me and to let me be with him and partake but hee told mee hee must not cast bread to Dogs which troubled mee much but then I remembred to say But I may have the crummes and thence forward was hee willing to helpe mee all he could so I went with him often and by my selfe to heare good men and the word preached but I was yet puffed up with Spirituall pride and did backslide from my promises and the profession which I made wee were after that about such a way of walking together as this is but wee were not so strict and carefull of admitting so I was admitted without any great Examination or Triall but by reason of a Contract with a Woman which I could not owne I was much troubled and brake out into sinne and God would have one sinne a scourge to another sinne to fetch me home againe which hee did to the purpose and I was after much trouble in minde restored againe to the favour of God Since that being a Souldier I was thereby brought under many Temptations to sin especially that vile lust of Drunkennesse which too much pursued mee and so strongly that sometimes I was ready to yeeld at other times ready to make away my selfe which I oftentimes was tempted to doe and sometimes I was ready to wish all manner of curses upon mee for that sinne yet so I continued till the Lord at last came and delivered mee out of these snares and filled my heart with his promises and presence and assured me of love in Christ and now I long to enjoy more of him and therefore desire to seek him with you in this fellowship Experience of Adrian Strong In short thus FOr my life I was two and twenty yeares a childe of wrath and then by the word preached and read out of good Books and the Bible I was brought in to God for my precisenesse and walking in the wayes of God I have been imprisoned twice Sometimes I have had mony before these troubles and then my heart was set too much on it but afterwards I was taken off of all and then I began to leave swearing and drinking c. which I did too much incline to And ever since as afflictons have growne greater on mee grace hath growne greater in mee I was travelling into England but now I blesse God for this mercy ordained for his Saints that I can have so sweet fellowship with them here in Dublin Experience of Hugh Leeson I Have something to say and I desire that the grace of God may appear more in me every day I am convinced of this way of Christ for believers to walk in and I have nothing to plead but my own unworthiness yet fully assured in Christ I am emboldned to bring my desires here like smoaking flax I cannot deny but my life hath been very bad and I have been exceedingly given to ill company and courses and can complain and do of what I have been more then others viz. A great sinner till grace was given me and mercy shown to me and Christ manifested in me by his Spirit which was begun at first by my Wife a Widdows daughter in this Town a godly Christian and whom God made the first Instrument of my good by her often reading of the Scriptures to me and giving me good councels and admonitions and by the Spirits working within me with it And yet I did even hate the Saints and forbid many of them coming to my house and was yet under many temptations I must needs say but I am now made sure of Christ convinced by the Word and much comforted and established since Mr. Rogers came hither and do now long after nothing so much as Jesus Christ and do desire earnestly to be in one with his people and pray them all to pray for me that I may stand by faith established in the truth Experience of Frances Curtis I Cannot but condemn my self before I speak I am so unworthy of this mercy I have lived wantonly in my youth forgetting God doing no good but all evil till Gods hand was heavy upon me for about eleven years and when in