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A54131 A discourse of the general rule of faith and practice and judge of controversie greatly importing all those who desire to take right measures of faith and to determine (at least to themselves) the numerous controversies now on foot in the world / by W. Penn. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1699 (1699) Wing P1277; ESTC R1708 28,457 59

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then Mine it must needs be I consenting thereto 6. How shall I be assured that these Scriptures came from God I am bound to try all things If all things then Them amongst the rest I would fain know what I must try them with with the Scriptures Then the Scriptures must be the Rule of my Examination and Faith concerning themselves which is improper If with the Spirit that gave them forth which searcheth the deep things of God a measure of which is given to me to profit withal Then is it most congruous to call the Spirit by way of Excellency and not the Scriptures The Rule 7. If the Scriptures are the Rule they must be so in the Original or Copies If in the Original that is not extant and so there would be no Rule in being for the last of it that was extant was the Evangelist John's History at Ephesus not seen almost these thousand Years If the Copies must be the Rule it were to be wished we knew which were the nighest to the Original there being above Thirty in Number This is undetermined and for ought we see Indeterminable And that which further confirms what I say is the Variety of Readings which we find among those Copies amounting to several Thousands And if the Copies cannot how can the Translations be the Rule so various if not differing from the true Sense of the Copies in many things and one from another Besides I would fain know of those of our present Age who thus contend for the Scriptures being the General Rule c. in Opposition to the Spirit upon what foot they receive them into this Place and Authority Is it by Tradition or Revelation I mean the Internal Testimony of the Spirit or the External Award and Determination of Men If the former they must unavoidably come over to us for then the Spirit will and must be both Rule and Judge If the Latter I ask how are they assured that they are not miserably Abused by Carelesness or Design since we see that using utmost Diligence both Translation Transcription and Printing are subject to numerous Mistakes and those sometimes very material against which the Scripture of it self can be no Fence But admit there were no Ground for any such Objection I further demand of our Adversaries if they are well assured of those Men that First Collected Embodied and declared them Authentick by a Publick Canon Which we read was in the Council of Laodicea held 360 Years after Christ though not as they are now received During which time They had been tossed and tumbled through many Hands and of many Judgments and Opinions Some were receiv'd and some rejected and doubtless many Thousands of times transcribed and it is not improbable that they were also abused If they miss in their Judgment here they are gone till they come to us I say how do they know that these Men rightly discerned true from spurious Either their Judgment was infallible in the Matter or it was not If it were then there was such a thing as Infallibility since the Apostles Days which is a Contradiction to your selves But be it so that they were infallible how came you to be assured they were so Not by Inspiration for that is dangerous Doctrine with you Which way was it then Not by Tradition Was it by the Scripture That were to say that the Scripture tells you that those Men that collected it for true were Right in their Judgment But we are yet to find any such place and if it were so that would but beg the Question I cannot see any other Ground besides your very great Indulgence to their Choice which you call Popery and believing as the Church believes in other Folks But if these Men were fallible as your Opinion makes them and their own Determinations prove them what then Doubtless your Condition will be very uncertain Now sure it is that some of the Scriptures taken in by one Council for Canonical were rejected by Another as Apocryphal and that which was left out by the Former for Apocriphal was taken in by the Latter for Canonical Now visible it is that they contradicted each other and as true that they both erred respecting the present Belief For your Canon and Catalogue vary from theirs and let me say without Offence from any Catalogue you can produce Behold the Labyrinth of Incertainties you run your selves into who go from that Heavenly Gift is your selves by which the Holy Scriptures are truly Discerned Relished and Distinguished from the Inventions and Abuses of Men 8. Furthermore If the Scriptures were the Rule of Faith and Life c. then because they cannot be the Rule in their Translations supposing the ancient Copies were Exact it cannot be the Rule to far the Greatest Part of Mankind indeed to none but Learned Men Which neither answers the Promise relating to Gospel-times which is universal nor the Necessity of all Mankind for a Rule of Faith and Life 9. That the Scriptures are not the Rule of Faith and Life is proved from those voluminous Discourses of Cases of Conscience that are extant among us For had the Scriptures been as sufficient as the Nature of the Rule of Faith and Life Requireth there had been no need of such Tracts Every Man might have read his own Condition laid down in Scripture without those numerous Supplements Doth not your own Language and Practice prove its Insufficiency to that End at what time you both exhort to and go in secret to seek the Mind of the Lord in this or that important Affair Why do not you turn to Chapter and Verse for Satisfaction if the Scripture be appointed of God for the General Rule Strange That what is so common in the Mouths of all sorts viz. God direct you which implieth Inspiration and Revelation or immediate Council or Guiding from God should not be known much less acknowledged by you in our Writings but disdained with such scaring Epithetes as Enthusiasm Familism Fanaticism Quakerism c. In short there are a * Thousand Cases and not a few occurring almost daily in which the Scripture cannot be our plain and distinct Rule and Guide Yet has not God left himself without a Witness in any Bosom for his Grace that brings Salvation has appeared unto all Men teaching them that believe in it to deny Ungodliness and worldly Lusts and to live soberly righteously and godly in this present World And Christ Jesus the Eternal Word has for that End lighted every Man coming into the Wold viz. to Discover Reprove and Instruct about Faith and Practice But it may be and is objected by some Obj. If this Law and Light in the Conscience had been enough what need had there been of Scripture Answ The same Argument will hold against God Christ his Spirit and Grace all which are sufficient notwithstanding the Use and Benefit of Scripture The Case was this Man's Mind being estranged from the Light and