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A47140 An exact narrative of the proceedings at Turners-Hall, the 11th of the month called June, 1696 together with the disputes and speeches there, between G. Keith and other Quakers, differing from him in some religious principles / the whole published and revised by Goerge Keith ; with an appendix containing some new passages to prove his opponents guilty of gross errors and self-contradictions. Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Ellwood, Thomas, 1639-1713. 1696 (1696) Wing K161; ESTC R14328 86,182 64

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William Penn has blamed that in another unjustly which most unjustly he justifies in himself and in his Tyrannical Brethren of his Party who for no other cause did excommunicate me but for not obeying their most unjust and unreasonable demand which was To clear the Body of the People called Quakers and their Ministry from some of the Errors charged upon them in Pensilvania which as I at that very Meeting told them I could prove some of them were guilty of and which I have since effectually done And that William Penn thinks it was such a notable Argumentum ad hominem that Rob. Norwood used to them who did excommunicate him Are none the People of God but your selves Have not I the same Argumentum ad hominem against them that excommunicated me who in their Nameless Bull of Excommunication given out against me at the Yearly Meeting at London 1695. call themselves the Church of Christ from which they say I have separated my self And because I could not obey their most unjust and unreasonable Demand they pass this Judgment against me as if they were the only Church of Christ and in their Yearly Epistle this very year 1696. directed to the Quarterly and Monthly Meetings in England Wales and elsewhere they call themselves to wit those that generally go under the Name Quakors professing Unity with them God's whole Heritage and People this agreeth with Solomon Eccles Paper called The Quakers Challenge p. 2 3. 1668. The Quakers are in Truth and none but they The Tabernacle of God is with you and his Dwelling Place is among you and only among you is God known said Edw. Burrough to the Quakers see his Works page 64. 2. In the same Rejoinder page 310. he hath a Passage that is either perfect Nonsense or Antichristian Doctrine or rather indeed both I shall cite it verbatim Seventhly Because that Flesh of Christ is called a Vail but he himself is within the Vail which is the Holy of Holiest whereinto Christ Jesus our High-Priest hath entred Heb. 10.20 21. And as he descended into and past through a suffering-state in his fleshly appearance and returned into that state of Immortality and Eternal Life and Glory from whence he humbled himself which was and is the Holy of Holiest then obscured or hid by his Flesh or Body the Vail while in the world so must all know a death to their fleshly ways and Religions yea their knowledge of Christ himself after the flesh or they stick in the Vail and never enter into the Holy of Holies nor come to know him in any spiritual relation as their High and Holy Priest that abides therein Annot. I shall make no large Commentary on these words only in short note 1. His saying Christ has entred into the Holy of Holies within the Vail and that Vail is his Flesh and that Holy of Holies is himself What Nonsense is this Was not Christ always in himself 2. His entring in within the Vail of his Flesh is either perfect Nonsense or it hath this sense That he hath put off his Body he had on earth and is separated from it as one Robert Young a Preacher among the Quakers in Pensilvania at a Meeting affirmed and brought these very words of W. Penn's to confirm it That Christ hath entred within the Vail and Christ's flesh is that Vail whereas it is plain and generally understood by all Christians That the Vail within which Christ is entred according to Heb. 6.19 is not his flesh though elsewhere but in another respect his flesh is called a Vail the word Vail having divers significations in Scripture 3. That he saith That all must know a death to their knowledge of Christ after the flesh it is plain from his words that he hath this unsound sense of it That they must know a death to the knowledge of Christ after the flesh as that flesh signifieth the flesh of Christ as he came in the flesh But this is a perversion of Paul's words as if Paul had rejected the knowledge of Christ as he came and suffered in the flesh as inconsistent with the revelation of Christ in himself which are so consistent that as none have the saving knowledge of Christ as he came and suffered in the flesh without the inward revelation of him in their hearts so none have that inward revelation of him sufficient to Eternal Salvation but who by that inward revelation know and believe that he came and suffered in the flesh and that he is now in Heaven in the same Body that suffered the same I say as to Substance though wonderfully changed in Mann●r and Condition 3. W P. in a Book he calleth Truth exalted presented to Princes Priests and People reprinted Anno 1671. he giveth a large description of the Quakers Christ as he calleth him pag. 13 14. without mentioning in the least his Birth in the flesh Death Resurrection Ascension as the Son of Man or the Son of Abraham and David and wholly applying that Isaiah 9.6 7. Unto us a child is born and Deut. ●1 18 A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up to the Inward Principle of the Light in all men and thus he describeth the Quakers Christ pag. 14. This is the second Adam the quickening Spirit the Lord from Heaven the new and spiritual man the Heavenly Bread the true Vine the Flesh and Blood that was given for the Life of the World the second Covenant the Law writ in the Heart and Spirit put in the inward parts the way in which the fool cannot err the Truth before Deceit was the Life that 's hid in God eternal in the Heavens glorified before the world began the Power the Wisdom the Righteousness of God the Plant of Renown the Royal Seed that bruiseth the Serpent's head in short that Grace which hath appeared unto all men teaching them to deny Ungodliness c. Annot. By this it is plain he makes nothing of Christ but an inward Principle in all men which yet falsly he calls the second Covenant the Law written in the heart for the Law writ in the heart that is the second Covenant is not in any Unbelievers but only in the hearts of True Believers Again in his large description of the Christian Quaker filling Three Pages of his Folio called the Christian Quaker he mentions not one word of Christ as he was born of the Virgin suffered death for our sins rose again c. as the Object of Faith Hope or Love or Christian Devotion see his Pages 125 126 127. By which it plainly appears that he and G Whithead and many other Teachers among the Quakers have no other Notion of Christ but an Inward Principle which is manifestly contrary to the Gospel preached by the Holy Prophets Evangelists and Apostles who preached Christ chiefly without men as both God and Man and consequentially his Light and Grace and Spirit within men I shall now point at some of W. Penn's most gross and
thing that rivets Where doth the Scripture say that he is outwardly and bodily glorified at God's right Hand Do these Terms express the Glory that he had with the Father before the World began Now G. Whitehead's way of writing is to question his Adversaries which is the Socratical way of disputing and arguing against his Adversary But let me go on Again see his Book called Christ ascended above the Clouds All that I have yet cited out of G. Whitehead's Book Light and Life and that of the Divinity of Christ and Nature of Christianity W. Penn has own'd them all in his Reasons against Railing pag. 185 186. This Book was printed and also this called Christ ascended above the Clouds Anno 1669. Now for the Page and Matter p. 21 22. John Newman his Opponent's Words were from Rev. 1.7 Those that pierced him in his Body of Flesh shall see that Body visibly come again G. W. answereth These are not the Words of Scripture but added Altho to add or diminish be forbidden under a Penalty Rev. 22.18 19. yet this Man's Presumption leads him to incur that And Christ in the Days of his Flesh when he visibly appeared to the World said Yet a little while and the World seeth me no more Now again I shall read to you John Newman's Words which G. W. doth so much blame From Rev. 1.7 Those that pierced him in his Body of Flesh shall see that Body visibly come again Is there any thing here offensive Nothing but what is the declared Opinion of the Church of Rome the Church of England the Presbyterians Independents Baptists and mine all along tho I have been a Quaker near about 34 Years Quaker Then it is much that in 34 Years thou shouldst not correct them before G. Keith This Assertion that G. Whitehead charges with Heresy see how he answers it These are not the Words of Scripture but added altho to add or diminish be forbidden under a Penalty Why John Newman here only uses the word Body to his coming again and G. Whitehead finds fault with that and G. W. brings a Proof from John 14.19 Yet a little while and the World seeth me no more that those that pierced Christ in his Body shall not see that Body visibly come again Here is a Proof that Christ was evanished The World shall see me no more The Translation will not prove G. Whitehead's Position even as it is But it may be better translated as yet Yet a little while and the World shall not see me As yet the Greek being 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet i. e. nondum or not as yet Does this prove that Christ has no Body at all This is very bad Reasoning Quaker If the Translation be not good why do you make use of it G. Keith I own it a good Translation and Thanks be to God we have such a Translation ●et that in some Places it may be better translated the Quakers themselves as well as all 〈◊〉 Professions do acknowledg such as have a little Hebrew or Greek that is one 〈◊〉 there are two or three Places more I will give you only a few of my Proofs and 〈◊〉 rest to a further Opportunity P. 24. says J. Newman By denying any perso● 〈◊〉 ●●ing of Christ without all Men at the right Hand of God but only a feigned 〈◊〉 within then Remission of Sins must die and Faith also for want of the Object 〈◊〉 This I look on to be good Doctrine And if you deny that G. K. turning 〈◊〉 to his Opponents Henry Goldney and Nathaniel Marke who spoke by turns sometimes one and sometimes another and stood close by him in the Gallery a Favour his Adversaries would scarce have allowed to him in any such Dispute at Grace-Church-street Meeting-place or elsewhere ye may speak to which they not replying G. K. further said I think this is a good Deduction Now to this G. Whitehead answers p. 29. I defend not J. Newman in all he owns but so far as he holds the Truth And if a Papist say the Truth against a Jew I am ingaged to defend him in it This manner of excluding God's right Hand and Christ to a Limitation out of his People in a personal Being which are no Scripture-terms still implies him to be a personal God or Christ like the Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians Conceits of him And again pag. 69. he saith And these Words Christ in Person remote in his Body of Flesh c. and not in any Man are not Scripture but added What strange Conceits would J. N. put upon the unlimited God like the old heretical Monks of Egypt called Anthropomorphites By these Words of G. W. all Papists Church of England-men Presbyterians Independents Baptists who believe that the Man Christ has any bodily Existence in Heaven as he thinks are Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians So you see all of you are Muggletonians as well as I. But mark the Words of John Newman above-mentioned which are sound and I say whoever under a Christian Profession deny Christ to have any personal or bodily Existence without us in Heaven whatever Notion they may have of Christ within it is but a feigned Christ within but who have the true Knowledg and Faith of Christ within to wit of his Spirit Light and Grace within that leads them to own and confess to the Man Christ without as well as to his Spirit within There is no Church-of England-man Presbyterian or Baptist c. that holds that Notion that the Godhead has the Shape of a Man but the Manhood of Christ has the true Nature of Man And what Shape Christ's Body has now that I leave but I believe he has the self-same Body in Heaven that he had on Earth the same I say for Substance and Essence of Body tho wonderfully changed in Manner and Condition Another Quaker Then you reflect on an Act of Parliament which allows the Translation of the Scriptures if they be not truly translated Note This Man's Impertinency and Prejudice as if to say a Place of Scripture may be better translated which all the Learned of all Professions of English Protestants do allow were a Reflection on the Parliament how earnest is this Man with other of his Brethren to make the Innocent an Offender Is this your Christianity G. Keith Here is a Book of G. Whitehead's called The He-goats Horn broken I hope this Meeting will give Satisfaction to many and therefore that it may be profitable I desire you to keep Silence Quaker N. Mark I have a Proposition to make I would not interrupt but I desire to be heard if I may have leave G. Keith Will you speaking to them all four that spoke sometimes one and sometimes another take upon you to vindicate your Friends then you may say what you will Quaker George I desire thy Leave to be heard G. Keith If you will but speak briefly Quaker N. Mark The Proposition is
of all people on the face of the Earth many of the Preachers and Writers among the Quakers that I know of have been most guilty in this thing and doubled this guiltiness in fathering these sinful Words and their sinful Passion on the Spirit of God as W. Penn did when he called me Apostate and Impostor for defending Christian Doctrine common to all Christendom saying He was transported by the Glorious Power of God For my own part wherein I have at any time either in word or Writ exceeded in giving any uncharitable Names to any or in any uncharitable practise or behaviour I declare I am sorry for it and have begged and do beg God's forgiveness for it for his dear Son's sake and also the forgiveness of any whom I have at any time justly offended in Words or behaviour and I bless God who has taught me more patience by the late Exercises I have gone through of the strife of Tongues and I hope I can in measure say that I witness that place of Scripture fulfilled That tribulation worketh patience and patience experience and this I have divers times acknowledged to my late Adversaries who have made ill use of it against me but I never knew they made any such acknowledgment to any I am sure never to me whom they have most unworthily abused both by Word and Pen. And now before I have quite done with William Penn let me put him in mind of his Promise That he would answer me in the face of the Nation for I think I have made good my word that I have put him to prove his Charge against me that I am an Apostate in the face of the Nation and let him not put off this Work that belongs to himself to any Deputy or busy Intruder as Th. Elwood or John Pennington who have already sufficiently shewn their folly in print but let him perform his Promise by himself and also remind his words in his Christian Quaker pag. 1. who saith I was not willing that any should answer for my faults if any there were and if innocent I osteemed my self both sufficient and obliged to my own relief Some of Tho. Elwood his Vile and Gross Errors truly collected out of his Book falsly called Truth Defended I Shall pass by at present his many Forgeries and Perversions and Abuses against me in this his last Book and his two former Books to the first of which I have answered in print having collected out of his two last Abusive Books above an hundred manifest Perversions Forgeries and Falsities he hath heaped up against me which I have in readiness to shew and which I keep by me for a reserve until I find an occasion to publish them either by print or otherwise therefore I shall only now make an Index of some of his Vile and Gross Errors contained in his last Book called Truth Defended 1. The Blood that came out of Christ's Side its shedding was not done to compleat the Offering because before that Christ said Consummatum est it is finished p. 99. Note this is as much against his Death for before his Death he said it is finished 2. He justifies George Whithead's Doctrine and Words denying that the material Blood of the Beasts were Types of Christ's material Blood and yet fallaciously seems to own it p. 106. 3. He justifies W Penn's Doctrine saying The one Seed cannot be an outward thing for one outward thing cannot be the proper sign of another outward thing p. 113. 4. He denieth that the gift of the Divine Grace or Power within is the real Purchase of Christ's Obedience unto death arguing That if so that would not be the free Gift of God p. 121. This is contrary to Rom. 5.15 Eph. 1.14 and 4.7 8 compared with Psal 68.18 5. He blames me for saying Christ's Body is the same in substance it was on Earth p. 129. now if not the same in substance then that Body he had on Earth is not in being or he must hold the Doctrine of Transubstantiation in that case 6. He denieth that Christ came by Generation of and from the Properties of Man in Mary p. 136. and in so doing he must deny him to be the Son of David and Abraham 7. He perverteth the Apostle's Creed in that Clause Conceived of the Holy Ghost p. 138. by which he infers that Christ came not by Generation of and from the Properties of Man in Mary and in so doing he makes the Holy Ghost to be the material Cause of that Generation as if that Holy Thing conceived were of the Substance of the Holy Ghost whereas the Holy Ghost was the efficient Cause thereof but not the material Cause 8. His false way of reasoning against the Man Christ's being created from my reasoning if not created therefore not Man by retorting if created therefore not God and in this he chargeth me to be deeply drenched into Socinianism but this is his ignorance This is as foolish as to argue A. B. is no English Man therefore is no Man whereas it is good arguing A. B. is no Man therefore no English Man the Socinian Error is not that Christ is a Creature but that he is a meer Creature viz. only Man and not both God and Man p. 139. 9. His blaming me to make light of the work of Generation in comparison of Christ's Incarnation therefore according to him Regeneration is greater than Christ's Incarnation Oh great Blasphemy pag. 155. 10. His saying That the Author of Regeneration is Christ chiefly as he is manifested inwardly in the heart p. 152. This is as absurd as to say The Beams of the Sun that descend on the Earth are the chief cause of the Earth's fruitfulness and not the Sun it self that is in the Firmament My answer to John Pennington's Book falsly called An Apostate Exposed In his said Book he brings no matter against me either as to Doctrine or Life but sets down some Citations out of my Books and the Doctrine in all these Citations I own But that I thought it had been the Doctrine of the Quakers in general and of George Whithead and William Penn in particular in that I own my mistake but this is no contradiction or proof of my Apostacy for I did not positively say they had no Errors but according to the best of my knowledge they had no Errors this is no contradiction for Contradictions according to that true Maxim are secundum idem ad idem eodem loco tempore ratione But he hath not so much either Logick or common Sense to understand that this is no contradiction or what a true Contradiction is as neither his quondam Tutor Tho. Elwood hath As concerning Caleb Pusey his Book falsly called His Modest Account I have a full Answer to it in readiness but there is no present need of its publication But let it be noticed that my Adversaries have owned it as having unity with it and no doubt it was approved by