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A44844 A reply to a book set forth by one of the blind guides of England who is a priest at Barwick Hall in Lancashire, who writes his name R. Sherlock, Batcheler of Divinity, but he is proved to be a diviner and deceiver of the people which book is in answer to some queres set forth to him by them whom he calls Quakers ... / Richard Hubberthorne. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1654 (1654) Wing H3231; ESTC R6754 26,134 33

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in the Sinagogues before Sermon and after and whether the Apostles did so In thy Answer to this querie thou bringest the Apostles words which said pray allwaies to justifie standing praying in the Sinagogues and having the cheifest place in the Assemblies which Christ cried woe against and here I charge thee to be a false Prophet who puts no difference betwixt the Apostle and the Pharesies though he said the temple which Solomon built him it was a hous● of Prayer Christ said there should not be one stone of it left upon another when Christ Jesus was witnessed Stephen for witnessing him was stoned to death and here thou hast shewed thou hast no judgment and errs not knowing the Scripture and as for Christs whipping them out of the temple read thy selfe to the light in thy conscience I speake and so all thy praying before thy Sermon and after as thou callest it in the Sinagogues in the chiefest place of the Assemblies the woe which Christ pronounced against thy Fathers hath light upon the Son thou who art found in the same place let Math. 23. judge thee the life which gave forth these words the life of these words is upon thee and so all thy praiers are abomination to the Lord God in the state thou art in and the praying of the Saints which was moved by the Spirits thou hast cleared thy selfe from for thou deniest immediate revelation from heaven and how canst thou pray and not with the Spirit and here let all people judge and see what thy praiers are if thou be not in the st●te of the Pharisees who deny immediate revelation and to be one that is blind and the praying with the Spirit is wittnessed among the Saint● Que. 8. Shew me by the Scripture when the Apostles went into the world and gave the people of the world Davids Psalmes to be sung in meeter the things that you practise answer them by the Scriptures or the Apostles practise without consequence or imagination And in thy answer to this querie thou perverts the Scripture as in the Acts as Paul and Silas sung Psalmes in the prison with them of the world they did not go into the world to give them a Psalme to sing men that were not come to repentance for saith David the dead cannot praise God and there I charge thee to be a lier and puts no difference betwixt the Saints singing with grace and understanding and the world which hath gotten the forme where thou art the Apostle did not speake to such as were in thy condition to be filled with the Spirit which is not come to repentance but he spoke to them which were turned from the world and such sung praises to God but for such as thee to go and give to the world Davids Psalms in a meeter and say O Lord I am not puft in mind I have no scornfull eye O you profane ones and scornfull ones how can you sing th●s but lie who have scornefull ●yes and to sing all your bones quake and you tremble and you water your bed with your teares and you lie roaring all the night and day when as you scorne Quakers and hate them and speake all manner of evill of them how can you speake this but lie But Davids condition and the Saints is witnessed among them which the world scornfully calls Qu●kers which power makes all to tremble though you scorne it a while and have gotten the outside the letter Davids condition in a forme of words scorning his life and the power of God where it is made manifest take warning all you scoff●rs and scorners what came to be the end of all your Fathers that passed before you but destruction your lofty ones feare and tremble before the mighty God for all your songs must be turned into howling but singing with the Spirit we owne the grace which hath appeared to all men teaches us to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and here I charge thee again to be b●ind who puts no diffe●ence betwixt the worlds singing and the Saints Que. 9. Whether a man shall overcome the body of sin while he is upon the earth yea or no Pr. And in thy answer to this 9. querie thou saiest it is not possible to subdue the body of sin altogether whilest we are in this world and thy comparison is a tree while there is life in it will bring forth fruit Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be the corrupt tree for by thy fruit thou art knowne for a good tree cannot bring forth evill fruit and here thou art proved to be that corrupt tree which confesses you doe not attaine to the same knowledge and understanding the Apostles did as thou speakest in thy booke whose harvest is ripe and now is reaping downe Pr. And whereas thou saiest they shall not overcome the body of sin whilest in this world Rep. And here I charge thee againe for say the Saints as he is so are we in this present world and thou saiest nor there is the lying Spirit and the Apostle said they had put off the body of sin and thou saiest it is not possible and there thy Spirit is found contrary to the Scripture and the Apostle saith in the 6. Rom. they were made free from sinne and thou saiest not it cannot be possible and here thy Spirit is tried Let all the children of the light judge thee and that thou speakest to be contrary to the Apostles words in the Romans and all you that cannot wittnesse these things that the body of sin is not put off wait upon God thorow Christ for it Que. 10. Whether the curse be not upon him that preacheth another Gospell then Christ and the Apostles preached yea or no Pr. And in thy answer to this querie thou speakest of receiving the Gospell from Christ and the Apostles Rep. In this I charge thee to be a lier as I said to thee before who denies immediate revelation from Heaven how canst thou be a preacher of the Gospell and deny revelation what a grosse darkenesse people are in that believe thee for under the curse and woe thou art that the Scripture speakes of and he that hath received the end of his prophesie is made free from the curse but this is without thy understanding and knowledge thou confessest in thy answer to the fi●st querie you preach the same Gospell but doe not attaine the same knowledge and understanding Let all people see who are in the light if it be not the same knowledge and understanding it is not the same Gospell but another and there the curse is upon thee Qu● 11. Whether any natural man can preach the Gospell yes or no Pr. In thy answer to this 11. querie thou speakest of understanding and of studying and of the Gospel and of a natural man and saiest he cannot preach the Gospell and thou saiest your understanding and knowledge is not the same as the Apostles was R●p Here
perish with the blind and giddy but if he follow such as thou art he doth follow both and in the ditch both will perish together And thou speaks to him of walking in the paths of the just and righteous and such thou privily slanders and their way hateth thou who walketh in the steps of the wicked and with those that forget God and thou must be cut down with the sword of the almighty God to that in thy Conscience I speak when thou art in the terror remember me for that in thy conscience condemn thee and witness me And friend to the light in thy conscience I speak under whose name this book goes there is thy Teacher if thou love it which is the light of Christ if thou love it it will teach thee as thou goes up and down and shew thee the way of the just for it is just it will condemn thee if thou hate And when the book of conscience is opened thou shalt witnesse what I speak that its truth to thy soul Pr. And whereas thou sayst you do neither pretend to any such sublime and eminent gifts neither do you nor ought you to depend upon any such immediate revelation but do use such ordinary means and helps which God in his merciful providence hath in all ages afforded his people viz. by study and industry in the Schools of the Prophets Schools thou sayest they had at Bethel 2 King 2 3 5. and Elisha's Colledge was so full that they enlarged it 2 Kings 6 1. 1 Sam. 14.20 and upon the hill of God 2 Sam. 10.5.10 Rep. Here let all these Scriptures witnesse against thee that thou art no true Prophet nor Minister of Christ which witnessed the end of the Prophets and were all taught of God which thou denies that denieth immediate revelation from heaven And here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be a lyar and false Prophet and that thou art guided by the father of lyes Where thou tells of Elisha's Colledge and saith that it was so full that it was enlarged and brings in that place of Scripture to colour over thy lyes 2 Kings 6.1 Let that Scripture be a witnesse against thee that thou art a lyar and a perverter of the Scriptures thou full of all subtilties blush for shame thou lyar is there any mention of any Colledge there or is there any mention of the schools of the Prophets where the word of God was studied in those places of Scripture beforementioned as thou sayest let them witness thee All the Prophets where taught of God and there was no studying for what they spoke at Naioth see if they did not receive the Spirit of prophecy and spoke by immediate revelation which thou denies and knows not their maner of teaching and learning 1 Sam. 19.20 to the end of the Chap. and the prophecy came not in the old time by the will of man but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the holy Ghost and the Scripture is of no private interpretation 2 Pet. 1.20 21. Here art thou proved a lyar and a perverter of the Scripture wresting it to thy own destruction 2 Pet. 3.16 and the plagues and wrath is due to thee for so doing Rev. 22 Now call not truth railing thou dissembler and enemy of all righteousness the Scripture turns edge against thee and witnesses against thy deceits and filthiness whereby thou seeks to strangle the truth but thou art found out to be among the Dogs Sorcerers and Lyars spoken of in Scripture and art shut out of the kingdom of God art no Minister of Christ Rev. 22.15 18 19. Thou enemy of God how darest thou say that the Prophets studied the word when no prophecy came by the will of man but by the will of God and no man knoweth the father but the son neither knoweth any man the son but the father and he to whom he is revealed Matth 11.27 And here thou deniest both the Father and the Son and the Prophets and Apostles that denieth immediate revelation for they all bear witnesse against thee and such as thou art for the Apostle said Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ And all the true Prophets witness that which thou denies And here I have proved thee a lyar a false Prophet and a deceiver perverting the Scriptures and they bear witness with me And thou full of all guile and deceit the word of the Lord shall rise up in judgement against thee and such as thou art Something in reply to thy discourse of the Spirit as thou calls it FRiend the Spirit of the living God thou hast not for thou denies immediate revelation from heaven who art discoursing of the Spirit and here thou art made manifest but to be in the pretence of the Spirit and knows nothing that is revealed with the spirit For thou that denies immediate revelation from heaven denies the spirit of the living God The Apostle said Eye hath not seen ear hath not heard neither hath it entred into the heart of man the things that God hath prepared for them that love him but God hath revealed them to us by his spirit 1 Cor. 2.9 10. And here thou that hast denyed immediate revelation from heaven hast denied the Spirit of God and manifested thy self to be in the natu●al state therefore I command thee and charge thee in the presence of the living God to be silent and to give over deceiving of the people 2. Thou that denies immediate revelation from heaven thou denies the grace that was to be brought unto the Saints whose mindes was to be girded up which grace was to be brought unto them at the revelation of Jesus Christ and this thou hast denied again as all people may see 1 Pet. 1.13 and here thou hast denyed Jesus Christ and this grace who denies immediate revelation and art in the fashion of the world and a blasphemer 3. Thou that hast denied immediate revelation from heaven hast denied the Spirit to pray with all and so all thy prayers is hypocrisie 4. Thou that hast denied immediate revellation from heaven hast denied the son of God For none knows the father but ths son and to whom the son reveals him Mat. 11.27 5. And thou that hast denied immediate and miraculous revelation from heaven hast not denied the son of God only but the father also And those that hast not the son of God hath not life Pr. The power is originally from God as the fountain but conveyed through the ministry of man as the conduit p. 90. Rep. Paul an Apostle not of man nor by man but by the will of God and here thou art proved to be a seducer and thy ministry contrary to his here thy spirit is tryed And thou slanders them who hears the voyce of God and art scorning them and in a deriding way calls it a deceitful eccho but we know