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A81720 A boundary to the Holy Mount, or a barre against free admission to the Lords Supper. In answer to an humble vindication of free admission to the Lords Supper. Published by Mr. Humphrey minister of Froome in Somersetshire. Which humble vindication, though it profess much of piety and conscience, yet upon due triall and examination, is found worthy of suspension, if not of a greater censure. By Roger Drake minister of Peters Cheap London. R. D. (Roger Drake), 1608-1669. 1653 (1653) Wing D2129; Thomason E1314_2; ESTC R209198 85,461 218

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