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A14463 A Christian instruction, conteyning the law and the Gospell Also a summarie of the principall poyntes of the Christian fayth and religion, and of the abuses and errors contrary to the same. Done in certayne dialogues in french, by M. Peter Viret, sometime minister of the Word of God at Nymes in Prouince. Translated by I.S. Seene and allowed according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions.; Instruction chrestienne en la doctrine de la loy et de l'Evangile. English. Selections Viret, Pierre, 1511-1571.; Viret, Pierre, 1511-1571. Instruction chrestienne et somme generale de la doctrine comprinse ès sainctes Escritures. aut; Shute, John, fl. 1562-1573. 1573 (1573) STC 24778; ESTC S119199 214,871 552

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these workes were done by diuers workers M. Howe doest thou then vnderstande it P. After that we haue firste confessed that we beléeue in one only GOD we then by and by after declare also howe he is manifested by hys workes suche as we haue saide that we oughte to consider him in hys diuine essence and nature and what it is that we beléeue Of the moderation and measure that ought to be holden in this matter M. IT séemeth to me that this matter is very high and harde for mans vnderstanding to comprehende P. There is none more high nor more incomprehensible M. What is there then to be done in the same P. Without enquiring of more than we may vnderstande and comprehende it oughte to suffise vs that God which in his diuine nature and essence is incomprehensible is euen so declared in his worde vpon the which only we must stay and builde our faith THE SIXTE DIalogue is of the creation and of the Prouidence and predestinatiō of God and of the vocation of man. Of the vvorke of the Creation MATHEVV SEing then we beléeue in one onely God the Father the sonne the holy Ghost What is that that we oughte chiefly to beléeue concerning the worke of the creation P. As concerning that worke that the father hath created all things as well visible as inuisible by his godly eternall word and wisdome which is his sonne in the vertue of his holy spirite which is his infinite power Of other vvorks of God that are conioyned to the vvork of the creation M. IS there not some other worke of God comprehēded in that of the cretion P. We may ioyne therevnto two at the least whiche are in suche sorte ioyned with the same that they cannot be separated M. Which is the first P. The prouidence of God. M. And which is the seconde P. His eternall predestination which is a dependance of his prouidence M. Thinkest thou that we may accompt the prouidence and predestination of God among his works P. I sée not why I should make more difficultie of it than of the others whereof I haue made mention heretofore For as he hath wrought if the worke of the creation euen so doth he continually worke by his prouidence in gouerning by thys same al that which he hath created in putting in executiō his eternall counsell in the whiche he hath predestinate man to that wherein it hath pleased him to be glorified in him And therefore Iesus Christ hath sayde my father worketh euen to this presente and I worke also Of the prouidence of God. M. WHat meanest thou by the prouidence of God P. That euen as he is creatoure of all things he is also the conseruer whiche doth by his eternall power and wisdome guide and gouerne thē and by his soueraine goodnesse in suche sorte that nothing commeth by aduenture neyther in Heauen nor in the earth without his counsell and ordinaunce and his most iust will be it in generall or in particuler Of the eternall predestination of God. M. WHat doest thou also vnderstande by the eternall predestination of God P. I vnderstande hys eternall ordinaunce whereby he hath ordeyned before the creation of the worlde that which he hath determined to doe withall men to be glorified in them as well in his mercie as in his iuste iudgement M. How is he glorified in his mercie according to that eternall ordinance P. In shewing the riches of his glorie in the vessells of mercie whiche are his chosen the whiche he hath prepared to glorie M. Howe is hée also glorified in hys iuste iudgement P. In shewing his wrath giuing to vnderstande his power after that he hath endured in great patience the vessels of wrath prepared to perditiō Of the vocation of the elect and of the degrees whereby God bringeth them to saluation M. IN what sorte is it that GOD sheweth the riches of his glorie in hys elected P. When he calleth them by his Gospell to iustifie them by faith in his sonne Iesus Chryst to the end that afterwarde he maye glorifye them in the Eternall lyfe the whiche he hathe prepared from the beginning Ma. Thy meaning is then that God dothe call iustifie and glorifie al those whome he hath chosen P. Sainct Paule doth yelde vs certaine and euidente testimonie when he sayth That those whome he before did knowe those hath he predestinate to be made like to the image of hys sonne to the ende he shoulde be the firste borne among many brethren and those whome he hath predestinate he hath also called and those whom he hath called he hathe also iustified and those whome he hathe iustified he hath also glorified M. It séemeth to me that thou puttest here foure degrées to wit predestination vocation Iustification and glorification P. Thou séest that S. Paule maketh as many M. Wilt thou conclude by his words that all those whiche are chosen predestinate are also called iustified and glorifyed Peter It followeth necessarily or otherwyse the Election and Predestination of GOD should not bée certayne and should not come to that ende wherevnto God pretendeth thereby Of the outwarde and inwarde vocation M. DOth it followe in lyke sorte that all those whiche are called are also chosen P. Thou haste to note vppon this question that there are two sortes of vocation to wit the one outward and the other inwarde M. What meanest thou by the outward vocation P. I mean a common and generall vocation by the whiche God dothe call by the outwarde preaching all those to whom the gospell is preached be they chosē or reprobates M. And by the inward vocation P. I vnderstand a vocation whereby God doth not only call man by the outwarde preaching of his worde but maketh them to féele the power and efficacie of the same by his holy spirite in such sorte that they doe not only heare it with their outward eares but doe also receyue it into their hearts by faith wherby they ar iustified Of the effectes of the inwarde and outward vocation and vvhervnto they serue M. WIlt thou say that all those whiche are called by suche vocation are chosen and in like sorte that all those which are chosen are so called P. It must be so vnderstoode For such a vocation is an effecte of the election whereby a man may iudge of the cause M. And as concerning those whiche are called of that first calling which thou callest outward maye they bée called without béeing chosen P. Thou mayst iudge by that which Iesus Christ sayde There be many called but fewe are chosen M. Thou meanest then in myne opinion that the very reprobates maye be called by outewarde vocation but that it profiteth them nothing except the inward be there ioyned with it P. As concernyng them it serueth them but to their greater condemnation For it is to their greater condemnation for so muche as the grace of God was offered vnto
the glory of God to be preferred to all creatures And if that al the creatures should perish wherefore should we thinke it straunge if god were glorified in their perdition and that it did so please him T. No man ought to finde that straunge excepte he do more estéeme the creature than the Creator D. Therefore it is playne that this offence whiche many giue vnto themselues in the matter of reprobation of the reprobates procedeth not but from a maruellous greate pride and arrogancie of the flesh whiche estemeth itselfe more than it ought to do for if it had so small an estimation of it selfe as the worthynesse therof requireth and did estéeme God his glory so muche as it ought to do he should not onely not finde it straunge to knowe that god hath ordeyned to be glorified in the damnation of some no although it should be done with his owne person he shoulde glorifie God in his iust iudgement he would not murmure against him to wage the lawe with him and to play the lawyer and to pleade againste him to mainteyne the cause of the reprobates accusing hym as though he should do them wrong but rather he would desire himselfe to be damned as Saincte Paule desired for his bretherne the Israelites if it were possible that it moughte be done and that God mought be the more magnified and glorified therein From whēce then come these cōtrary thoughts but only of the horrible pride that is in our corrupted nature for what are we from whence came we what wrong may God do vnto vs wherin are we able to accuse him or attribute vnto him the faulte of our offences and of oure damnation and to set him in the place of the Deuill author of sinne considering that what determination so euer he haue made of vs we cānot complaine that we haue any other force violence constrainte to do euill but onely of oure owne wicked concupiscence vnlesse that happily we would complayne in that that he hath not made vs suche as coulde not sinne or else hauing sinned that he dothe not bestow vppon all like grace and that he dothe not saue all forsomuche as he moughte if that he woulde otherwise he shoulde not be God nor almightie but it hath pleased him that not without good and iust cause the whiche is continually such albeit that we cannot vnderstand it Therefore we must continually say with the Prophete that oure damnation is of our selues and our saluation of God only and say with S. Paule But o thou mā what arte thou that pleadest against god shall the thing that is fashioned say vnto him that fashioned it why hast thou shaped and made me thus The potter hathe he not power of the clay to make of one very lumpe one vessel to honoure and an other to dishonor And what if God wold to shewe his wrath and to make his power knowne suffer with great pacience the vessells of wrath prepared to perdition and to shewe the riches of his glory vppon the vessells of his mercie which he hath prepared to glorye and agayne O the déepenesse of the riches of the wisedome and knowledge of God his iudgementes are not to be searched out and his wayes are impossible to be found For who is he that hath knowne the Lordes intente or who hath bin his counsellor or who is he that gaue to him firste and he shal be recompenced Hovve that the vvill of man cannot by any meanes be constrayned no not by the deuill himselfe but only of his ovvne vvickednes T. FOr my parte I graunte to all that which thou hast sayde but yet canst thou not denye but that mā is yet oftentimes constrained to sinne by meane of the temptacion and soliciting of the deuill D. This constraint wherof thou speakest is cōstraint without cōstraint for it is not in the power of al the deuils nor of al the creatures that are to constraine the will of one mā Wherfore what temptatiō or solicitatiō so euer happē vnto him if he did not willingly consent therevnto he could not be induced to do any kinde of thyng against his will. But it fareth with hym as it doth with a harlot for if she be solicited by bawdes and whoremasters she will giue ouer hir selfe vnto them which thing an honest woman will not do but will resist all suche temptations and procurements wil ouercome them Therfore albeit that the harlot may impute some parte of the cause of the offēce that she hath committed to those that did entise hir and procure hir therevnto yet notwithstanding she may not say that she hath bin constrayned so to do nor may by that meane excuse hir selfe for if she had not agréed therevnto of hir owne will she had not at all playde the harlot but bycause that she was already naturally thervnto enclyned these procuremēts did serue hir as it were matches oyle wood throwne into the fire which would kindle nor slame neuer the sooner nor the more if it were not naturally enclyned and prompte therevnto In like sorte is man broughte to euill thorough his owne concupiscence the which being wakened and sturred vp by the diuell dothe the more declare it selfe and sheweth more plainely what his nature is wherfore thou séest here howe that man dothe continually sinne of his owne will and if he will saye that he hath bin constrayned to do any kind of worke the which he knoweth manifestly to be against the will of God it must be considered wherein he hath bin enforced and cōstrayned if he haue in any wise bin enforced by the force of others so that he could not be in any wise master of his members although he did resist it by all the meanes that he coulde and dyd declare by his wordes and actes that hys harte and will did in no wise consente thervnto he may be excused as an honest womā may that hath bin takē of force the which notwithstanding hath cried and resisted by all meanes possible against the whoremaster and hath bin as willing to lose hir life as hir chastitie but if thou doest an euill worke either to please men or else for feare that thou shouldest fall into their displeasure or indignation and receyue any dishonor or wordly hindrance thou maist in suche a case alledge none other constrainte but only that of thy wicked wil no more than Pilate might whē he condemned Iesus Christe enforced by the constrainte of the Iewes For if thou didst loue God with al thy harte and better than thy selfe and didst more estéeme his glory than thine owne and thy soule than thy body and the heauen more than thou doest the earth thou moughtest be frée from losing that whiche thou fearest to lose and shouldest not lose it at all but shouldest gaine it double For as Iesus Christ saith he that shall loose his life for my sake the same shall finde it and he that feareth