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A93431 Some queries propounded to this professing generation the people called Baptists, or any of the professors upon the earth for them to answer, and heedfully to weigh and consider Smith, William, d. 1673. 1659 (1659) Wing S4331; ESTC R229335 9,565 10

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of him when he bids do one thing and you to do another ARE such leaders then to be followed that lead people out of Christs doctrine or are they not rather to follow him who was given for a leader unto the people to see what he will lead them into then to receive things by tradition to doe this or the other thing because others have done it before IS there any coming to the Power but by the light and receiving it wherewith Christ hath enlightened every man that cometh into the world which John bare testimony off and said to as many as received him to them he gave power to become the Sons of God AND whether it be bodily exercise that profiteth or can profit or what have you more then bodily exercise in your outward observation is that any longer then to be followed that profits not but perisheth with the using AND doth not Christ say the flesh profiteth nothing and yet your eyes are abroad after a fleshly Christ when as the Apostle saith though I have known Christ after the flesh henceforth know I him so no more IS not all your knowledge then unprefitable and brutish that you know naturally and fleshly and what would it profit you if you did know more of that which is naturall and fleshly what would it tend unto unlesse to puffe you up more and to feed your curious minds and so feed upon that which is carnall and that dyes of it selfe and is it not hence that you call the light carnall BVT if you would be knowing then come to that which must give you the knowledge the light that shines in your hearts which convinceth of sin and evill or is there any other thing can give the knowledge of God and of his glory but the light that shines in the heart is that then carnall or is Christ spirituall and his light carnall or is Christ divided IF that light be a carnall or a naturall light which convinceth of sin and evill which then is the spirituall Is that carnall or naturall that must open the understanding in the things of God or doth the natural man perceive the things of God or are they not foolishnesse unto him or can man discerne the things of God with the carnall eye the evill eye or with that which is at enmity with him AND do not you shew your selves to be the naturall man that perceives not the things of God that can see no farther then with a carnall eye and so think Christ to be such a one as your selves and call the light carnall and naturall that comes from him But that which quickens or awakens man sleeping in the dust of the earth is that carnall or naturall that comes from the quickening spirit the Lord from heaven WHen Christ was made manifest in the flesh did the world know him then was he not hid from the carnall and naturall men from the disputers and wise ones then as he is now for were not they the persecuting and carnall Preists and professors that rise up against him then OR doth it not shew you to be carnally minded that dare call the light carnall that must give again the knowledge of God and is not the only true God a spirit and is there any knowing of him but in that which is spirituall CAN you call that carnall or naturall which convinceth of sin and evill in the secrets of the heart and conscience and bears witness against the carnall inclinations of fallen man and against his fleshly desires OR is that a carnall Christ that condemneth sin in the flesh and testifieth against that which is fleshly and carnall the lusts of the eye the lusts of the flesh and pride of life which is in the world whose works are evill AND what doe you judge of the water that purifieth the heart and washeth it and purgeth the conscience from dead works and the pure water that cleanseth the body is that outward and carnall that sprinkles the heart from an evill conscience seeing the Saints who were washed and cleansed did not say they came through it by outward water or that which was carnall and naturall but in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and through the spirit of our God and the true Church gathered out of the world up again unto God was in God and so it is now and in our Lord Jesus Christ and God was in them this Church was sanctified and cleansed with the washing of water by the word IS your Church then any other than worldly and outward that outward water can cleanse it and are you yet come any further than the outward Court that dwell in the outward things when as the true Church though a time was for the use of the visibles said we looke not at the things which are seen for the things which are seen are temporall but the things which are not seen are eternall Therefore you that can see no further then that which is visible but stand alwayes in it doth it not shew that your eye is not yet open which should let you see the invisible things AND your Church as you call it which stands in the outward washing and so without is it not full of spots blemishes and wrinckles and many such things but the Church of the first born according to their growth in the measure of grace received witnesse washing and cleansing and are cleane through the word presented without spot or blemish But they whom the outward water washeth are they cleane seeing no uncleane thing must enter if so whether the vilest and wickedst men upon earth may not go into the water and be washed and cleansed as well as you if that an outward washing will serve the turn or are they yet come to the cleansing who are vain light wanton scoffing and given to foolish laughter yea or nay BVT if you say that John did baptise with water and many were baptised with water so did Paul circumcise but what is that to you you have it by tradition John had a Commission for so doing who saith he was sent 〈◊〉 baptise with water but to whom hath God given or Christ given since him commission to baptise with water make it appeare if you can by plaine proofe of Scripture Paul declares plainely who himselfe was an Apostle that be was not sent to baptise who sent you then and said the baptisme is one and who come through this one baptisme by the one Spirit into the one body are one but who are after the many baptismes are not in the onenesse neither is there true unity one with another AND the other Apostles before him were bid to go forth into all Nations and teach them but are you come forth into this worke yet seeing you will pretend to take a part of it upon you why do you not go through with it and t●e● whom they had taught he doth not say they were to be baptised with water but in the