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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A65842	A brief discovery of the dangerous principles of John Horne (a priest in Lin) and Thomas Moore junior both teachers of the people called Mooreians or Manifestarians, (and called by some free-willers or independants.) In answer to their book called A brief discovery of the people called Quakers, and a warning to all people to beware of them and of their dangerous principles, &c. Which book is a false narrative of two disputes, the one which they had with John Whitehead at Gedney in Lincoln-shire, and the other with Geo. Whitehead and Geo. Fox the younger, at Lin in Norfolke, both in the seventh moneth, 1659. Also priest Horns testimony against his brethren the priests. This is to go amonst the professors in England in discovery of the truth; ... By the truth which is in George Whitehead. John Whitehead. George Fox the younger.	Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. aut; Fox, George, d. 1661. aut	1659 (1659)	Wing W1896; ESTC R220960	30,510	44

truth of Christ In p. 14. John Horne and Moore have affirmed The Scriptures to be the Medium of Faith from John 17. 20. where it s said neither pray I for these alone but for them also which shall believe on me through their word and Acts 17. 11. 12. of the Bereans searching the Scriptures c. Answ. There is no such Scripture as saith that the Scriptures are the Medium of Faith for they through whose word many believed were not Ministers of the Letter but of the spirit and their Word was before the Letter or writing was and it came in Spirit and in Power and this Word which they Preached was nigh people even in their hearts Rom. 10. And as for the Bereans they first received the Word with all readiness of minde and then searched the Scriptures whether these things were so so it was the Word which brought them to believe and to search the Scriptures and so we say the Scriptures are truely to be believed and fulfilled but that which brings any truely to believe and fulfill them is Christ the Word the Author and finisher of faith unto whom they would not come for life who thought they had Eternal life in the Scriptures Joh. 5. 39 40. In pag. 15 John Horne and Thomas Moore have accused John Whitehead with saying that the Apostles did not bring light to men but onely pointed to what they had before Answ. John Whitehead doth witness against them for perverting his words as it hath been examined the words are not so affirmed by him but this we say that the Apostles did not bring another light to people then that which had enlightned them before they Preacht to them and though the light was more in the Apostles then in them they Preacht to yet it was the same in nature in both though known in several measures and they who will not own the light in the least measure of it in them they must not know the greater nor the glory which the light of Christ shining in the heart gives the knowledge of in them that receive it Again Horne and Moore say Indeed this is a main piece of corrupt Doctrine that we Preach that all have the light of Christ in them and that that is whatsoever reproves any sin in men Ans. Here they might as well have accused Christ and the Apostles for using corrupt Doctrine for Christ saith I am the light of the world and John said of him that was the true light which enlightneth every man that comes into the world and that which may be known of God is manifest in them who are in unrighteousness and like not to retain God in their knowledge Rom. 1. and the grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men and this is the free gift of God which if it were not given to all men then wherefore shall the wicked be condemned and what is it in them that must leave them without excuse and who can you shew us that have not a light of Christ in them to reprove them when they have done evil And you have again here wickedly wronged us for we do not affirm that whatsoever reproves any sin is the light of Christ but whatsoever makes manifest things that are reproved is light and the light reproves every sin But such as you that are in deceit and out of the light do sometimes reprove sin when you live in it your selves but the light of Christ in you will reprove you for it Again in p. 16. You John Horn and Thomas Moore say That this way of ours exposes men to follow their own spirits which we represent as a candle in every man Answ. This is false for our way exposes men not to follow their own spirits nor sparkes of their own kindling as you say but to follow the light of Christ which lighteth the spirit of a man and makes it become the candle of the Lord that it enlightens the inward parts Another of your lies against us is where in pag. 17. you accuse George Whitehead with deriding at mens faith in the death and bloodshed of Christ beyond the Sea for they who truely have faith and hope through Christs sufferings which reacheth within the vail that is to say Christs flesh that faith we own as knowing the Word of it to be in the heart that we have it not to fetch beyond the Sea nor from above nor from beneath but it s nigh in the heart and in the mouth And to our question which was whether the light that lighteth every man be a natural light or a spiritual light You John Horne and T. Moore answers pag. 17. 18. That that light is Christ and the light with which he lighteth men is both natural and spiritual Reply Here again you are taken in your own snare for in your saying the light is both natural and spiritual mark it is not the lights are both natural and spiritual but the light is so here you could not prove one light that is both natural and spiritual and contrary to the Scriptures have you spoken for in Christ was life and the life was the light of men which is not natural but spiritual therefore this your errour may lie upon you In pag. 18. You say That for so much as all men receive not Christ and his light therefore all have not his light in them Answ. This is a poor Argument the Spirit of the Lord and the grace of God hath appeared in many who have resisted it and not received it and a measure of it is in such to condemn them as the Kingdom of God was in the Scribes and Pharisces and yet they received it not nor Christ when they hated him And to that of Isai. 8. 20. where it is said there is no light in them John Horne saith the word in the Hebrew is sometimes used to signifie the morning and we have read it no morning in stead of no light but then saith he Christ is called the morning Star so that if there be no morning light in man there is none of his light who is the morning light Answ. Here his ignorance appears again for the light of Christ shines in darkness in some before the morning and that led some to the arising of the Day-star in their Hearts and so the light of Christ who is the morning light to some appears as a Candle in the darkness to others and is not the morning light to them until they by it see the morning in them and the light which hath shined in darkness arising out of darkness so that the light of Christ is both the evening light and the morning light Page 19. Again John Horn and Thomas Moore have accused us with telling Mr. Townsend as they call him That the light was wholly departed from him Answ. Herein have you impudently belyed us for the words against Townsend are not so spoken but that from the light of God in his

equivocal terms Answ. They have changed G. Foxes words for he said That which is raised is a spiritual body and that which is raised was dead and we answered them plainly to these things according to the Scriptures but like fools whom the Apostle reproved they would not be satisfied when we told them it is sown a natural body it is raised a spiritual body and receives life and spirit by the Power of God there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body howbeit that was not first which is spiritual but that which is natural and afterward that which is spiritual so the Apostle distinguisheth between the natural body and the spiritual body between the earthly bodies and the heavenly bodies and the glories of each and doth not say that which dyes or is sown which is earthly shall rise as we told these said accusers according to the Apostles comparison thou fool that which thou sowest is not quickned except it dye and that which thou sowest thou sowest not that body that shall be mark thou sowest not that body that shall be but bear grain it may chance of wheat or of some other grain 1 Cor. 15. 36 37. contrary to which they have affirmed that the same body that dyes or is sown in the earth shall raise again when the Apostle saith thou sowest not that body that shall be and his comparison is of the grain of wheat and the like to which Thomas Moor answered That the same kirnel of wheat rose up again in the blade when it is known that the same kirnel doth not rise but another body or ear of Corn grows forth in the nature of that wch is sown yet we say that God giveth a body as it pleaseth him to every seed his own body which seeds being known the nature and kind of each seed discerned the body of each may be discerned in the Resurrection by the light wch crosseth mens carnal imaginations by which they must never know the Mystery of the Resurrection of the bodies nor the seeds wch the Lord knoweth how to reserve every one in its own center and habitation till the sounding of the last Trumpet at the last day and there shall be a Resurrection both of the just and the unjust and many that sleep in the dust of the earth shall rise some shall come forth to the Resurrection of life and others to the Resurrection of Condemnation every one to be rewarded according to their works and John said The Sea gave up the dead which were in it and death and Hell delivered up the dead which were in them they were Judged every man according to their works death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life Rev. 2. And now this being an answer to their Question about the Resurrection note that when Thomas Moor was asked what was the seed of which the Apostle said God giveth it a body as it pleaseth him Tho. Moor answered that the seed was the body that dyes or is laid in the ground which he pleaded for the rising of to which it was Replyed then that every man must rise with two bodies if that body that is terrestrial must rise and have another body given it but herein his ignorance was seen and again he and John Horn have confuted themselves for in their Post-script they say That the Apostle implying plainly that the raised body in the Resurrection shall not be flesh and blood Then how is it that they have pleaded so much for the same earthly body that dies to rise again which is a body of flesh and blood when the raised body in the Resurrection is not a body of flesh and blood they say these men are much shut up in Babylon as their confusion manifests An accusation of John Horn and Tho. Moor against John Whitehead to prove him a Reprobate p. 6. Is that John argued against the Redemption of the body to be waited for or expected after death and said The Apostle had it before the death of the body and in p. 10. They tell of the nature or being of man that in the Resurrection it is discharged of sin and Law and death Answ. So here they expect not the Redemption of the body nor their discharge from sin till after death wherein they have discovered themselves to be Reprobates and not John Whitehead and their expecting the Redemption of the body to be waited for after death is contrary to the Saints expectations for they waited and groaned for the Redemption of the body from under corruption when they were upon earth and the Creature it self was to be brought into the glorious liberty of the Sons of God which state was witnessed by as many as were led by the Spirit of God who were sanctified throughout in Body in Soul and Spirit and put not Redemption afar off till after death as these men aforementioned have done Again They have accused us for Antichristians from a passage in Edward Burroughs Book where it is said That Christ is to be known after the Spirit as he was before the world was and that is the knowledge of him which is to eternal Salvation On the contrary they have affirmed in page 7. That the knowledge of Christ after the Spirit as he was before the world was is not the knowledge of him to eternal Salvation but on the contrary they say Answ. In this they have shewed themselves to be both abusers of the Truth and Antichristians for to know Christ as he is the power of God is to know him after the Spirit as he was before the world was and this is the knowledge of him to Eternal Salvation it is the Power of God that saveth and we trust in the living God who is the Saviour of all men specially of them that believe 1 Tim. 4. 10. Now as Christ is the living God he was before the world was and we are in him that is true even in his Son Jesus Christ this is the true God and eternal life 1 John 5. 20. And now I say they that receive this knowledge of Christ do not deny his knowledge in his flesh but witness to the same eternal Power that was manifest in his flesh and thorow his sufferings which Power was before the world was and hath the same glory that it had then and is the same for ever And in page 7. it is said against the Quakers That they can and may in their canting language say he is manifest in England and is persecuted and dyes and rises as well as in Judea and Jerusalem however they make nothing of his being born suffering and dying in the flesh Answ. Now when J. Horn and T. Moor can truly prove nothing against us called Quakers they have invented these wicked lyes against us which we utterly deny and here charge them for forgers of lyes Job 13. 4. for we never

used any such canting language as they call it against Christ but own his sufferings in Judea and Jerusalem as he was a true offering and propitiation for the sins of the whole world whose sufferings were effectual both for the pacifying of his Fathers wrath and for the reconciling of the whole world as is witnessed by them who receive the Power of his life which was manifest thorow death to them that truely believed thorow Christs sufferings and in page 9. the said J. Horn and T. Moor have belyed George Whitehead in saying that he alleadging 2 Cor. 5. 16. to prove that the Apostles did not know Christ as one that suffered in the flesh or to be in the flesh which is exceeding false for that Scripture henceforth we know no man after the flesh and though we had known Christ after the flesh yet henceforth know we him so no more it was brought against your knowledge which is but carnal and stands in imaginations who neither truly know Christ as he was in the flesh nor after the Spirit but contend against the knowing of him as he was before the world was and as you say you neglect Christ and so against the knowledge of the glory of God as a knowledge to Salvation when as they neither knew Christ nor any man after the flesh but after the Spirit they knew Christ and one another in that Spirit and Power in them which was before the world was but this knowledge you are out of who know but naturally In page 9 10. J. Horn and T. Moor again affirm that the nature of man as in Christ is perfectly freed from sin and curse and without spot of sin and the same nature of man even in believers having sin in it as a naturall Heritage from the first Adam fallen Answ. See their gross error and confusion which is as much as to affirm that as the nature of man is in the believers it 's separate from Christ and so believers in Christ having sin in them originally from Adam as a natural heritage so they would make believers have two heritages a naturall and a spirituall an old delusion of the Priests for the true believers are in Christ and by his power do witness their nature purified by that which brings out of Adams fallen state to witness a better heritage then sin in their nature for they that are in Christ have escaped the corruptions of the world and witness an incorruptible heritage in the divine nature and this is known as there is an biding in Christ the power of God And in page 1● they charge us with denying the humanity of Christ and say we judge him only a spirit Answ. We never denyed the man Christ for his flesh is our food for our owning Christ to be a spirit the Apostles owned him to be the same the Lord is that spirit and the last Adam was made a quickening spirit 2 Cor. 3. 1● 1 Cor. 15. 45. Again they have affirmed that Christ is personally in heaven and yet by faith in the believing heart and that he is not really and personally in believers as in heaven but by faith and yet Moor before said that Christs person of flesh and bone is a quickening spirit Answ. If Christ is not really in the believers and if his being in them by faith is not reall then it is but imaginary herein J. Horn and T. Moore have manifested their faith to be no better then the Papists faith as I told them wherein I did not belye them as they accuse me for the faith of the Elect doth really evidence to them Christ in them the mystery and the power of God and this faith is not divided from Christ the object or foundation of it And now concerning the blood of Christ shed which T. Moore at the dispute owned to be the foundation of your faith and yet affirmed that the body of Christ is in heaven with flesh and bones but not the blood in it and so knew not where the blood is Now they tell us in page 11. that his blood was shed or powred out for the Remission of our sins and in the vertues of it is with the Father and so in and with Christ Answ. Herein they have plainly confuted themselves for they also confess that they could not assert where the material blood as they call it or blood of Christ shed is and yet now say that in the vertues of it is with the Father and in and with Christ so J. Horn and T. Moons hearers may now see how they have confuted their former Doctrine who before would not own that the blood of Christ shed is in the body of Christ yet now say it is with the Father and in Christ in the vertues of it and now to clear themselves from our telling them that they preached a foundation of Faith which they knew not where it is and which according to their own confession before they knew not whether it is in being or not They tell us That the dying of Christ or his death is the foundation of their faith and yet this dying as to the act of it is not alwayes in being nor is the blood simply the foundation of their faith Answ. Here again they have preached that to be the foundation of their Faith which is not in being when as the foundation of the true Faith is Christ who is in being and another foundation can no man lay then that which is laid which is Christ and as for what he acted in sufferings that was done that thorow his sufferings and works men might believe in him who worketh Faith in them and know him to be the foundation of Faith who is in being and not that which is not in being as they imagine and have declared and they now owning the blood of Christ shed not simply to be the foundation of their faith then if they own it as part of the foundation of their Faith then are they still at a loss for they know not where it is and so according to their own words they want part of the foundation of their faith we blame them not neither did we blame them for not asserting that the blood shed is in the body of Christ but for calling it the foundation of their faith whether they own it so simply or compoundedly seeing they know not where the blood is nor whether it is in being and so we blamed them for their confusion and establishing a blind and dead faith T. M. his instance for Christs being in Heaven with a body of flesh and bones without blood in it was that we do not read that there was any blood in Adams body in Paradice for which he might as well have said that then Adams body in Paradice had no life in it and such a body they imagine Christs to be when as the blood is the life and all Nations are made of one blood Acts 17. 26. Now we ask them