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A40227 The papists strength, principles, and doctrines (which they are sworn to preach, from the Councel of Trent, by the Popes authority, and after confirmed by the last General Assembly at Rouen, 1571, all which they have sworn to perform) answered and confuted furthermore their principles and doctrines answered and confuted, as they were laid down in two or three severall papers, by R.W. papist, lately sent from Holland : also a challenge to the pope and all his adherents to choose out of all his dominions some cardinals, fryers, or Jesuits to try their bread and wine, after consecration (by watching on their side and on our side) to prove that if afterward they have consecrated it, whether the bread and wine doth not loose its taste and savour, and so not the body and blood of Christ : also a paper to all them that fast and afflict themselves who are in the will-worship and voluntary humility : also some quæries to all the papists upon earth to be answered in writing and sent to them, which all sects upon the earth call Quakers / by George Fox. Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1658 (1658) Wing F1877; ESTC R3577 83,037 105

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of many generations is raised up You may fast from meats and drinks for dayes and observe meats and afflict your selves the envious man the man-slayers do thus which would kill and murther and slay in the heart Now this is not the Fast which is required of God but of men while the bond of iniquity is standing whilst strife and debate is do you not make vowes from the Marriage Is not then the cause you so do in the doctrine of the Devils and the forbidding of meats which ought to be used with praise and thanksgiving The Fast of the Lord is coming to be known that he requires which break● the bond of iniquity which is the foundation of many generations and the marriage of the Lamb many are come to know and enjoy the presence of the Bridegroom where they do not fast where they come into the wisdome of God by which all the creatures were created with which they come to use and order the creatures of God to his glory and sees the Kingdome out of meats out of drinks out of the observation of dayes above meats and drinks Your leaders have caused you to erre envy and wickedness hath been in them strong which is by the power of the Lord God comprehended and judged whose sacrifices God hath no respect to who be in envy in Cains way man-slayer● therefore haste out of the old life and come to witnesse the chast Virgin which follows the Lamb that to him you may be married and joyned all ye poor captivated ones for the Lord is come and coming to exalt the kingdome of his Son whose Standard shall stand over all the earth and Nations shall be ruled by his Rod of Iron come to know strife ceased and envy ceased and selfishnesse ceased and pride ceased and wickednesse and wilfulness ceased and envy and plots and murther ceased and the bond of Iniquity for this is that which will and doth deceive the simple-hearted for the Lord God with his power is come to redeem Who inlightneth every one that cometh into the world that all men through the light might believe whose day is appearing and glory is revealed So now every one of you that be come into the world having a light from Christ the Saviour of your souls from whence it comes Now this you that be enlightned withal it lets you see your sins you have done as thoughts you think and words you speak and actions you act and wayes you walk with the same light that lets you see this which comes from Christ the Saviour of your souls who hath all power in heaven and in earth given to him the same will give you power to come out of your sins And there you come to receive the Covenant of God Christ Jesus who hath given you the light to see sin he it is that takes away sin and blots out sinne and transgression And now every one of you this is the word of the Lord God to you all heed the light that you are enlightned withall with that you will feel your Saviour for the light lets you see sin the same blots it out the same is the covenant of God the same gives power for all power in heaven and in earth is given to the Son who is to rule and subdue to himselfe all the powers of darknesse and wickednesse The light which you be enlightned withal lets you see your deeds you have done your words you have spoke your ways you have walked in your actions you have acted the same will give you power to stand against your sin and there is the teacher and the same will condemn all of you hating the light which is Christ which hath enlightned you withal and if you go on still in wickednesse the same will become your condemnation at the last Remember when you are in your wickednesse and upon your death beds you were warned in your life-time and this light will let you see when evill thoughts get up in you and evill affections and evill desires and check you and reprove you if you love it and heed it when you are walking up and down when you are fitting still by your selves secretly it will bring you to think upon God and when you are walking up and down abroad yet it is present with you there will be your teacher there will be your condemnation if you hate it The light of Christ who saith Learn of me I am the way the truth and the life This is my beloved son heare you him And there is no way to the Father but by him who doth enlighten every man that comes into the world him by whom it was made all the sons of Adam drove from God in transgression Christ the second Adam the way to God who is the way and the life But man being drove from God from life and from truth so Christ is the truth man being drove from God from Gods righteousness so Christ is Gods righteousnesse drove from God from his wisdome So in a wisdome that is below earthly sensuall and devillish drove from God from his glory there is the first Adams state in the disobedience but Christ the second Adam the obedience the Lord from heaven who doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world The light that shineth in his heart which Christ enlightneth him withall it must give him the knowledge of the glory of God and this brings him from things that are seen that are temporall the light that shineth in his heart that gives the light of the knowledge of the glory of God with it brings to know all things that be eternall And the Lord is coming to teach his people himself and to bring them of all the worlds teachers and ways to Christ the way And the Lord is coming to break all in pieces that are gathered and are a gathering but not with the power of his Son and with the life of his Prophets and his Apostles such will he break to pieces and dismiss the assemblies who is come and will gather his people with his spirit into the life the Prophets were in Christ and the Apostles were in they shall come to live in the power of an endlesse life and the world where there is no end is known where there is the hungring no more and the thirsting no more the government of him is manifest where there is no end and the Kingdome and the Throne of Christ is exalted So all that afflict your selves and torment your selves and fast and observe days and meats by the commandement of men and not by the commands of God and doctrines of men and wills of men Consider the power of the Creator and come to the witnesse of God in you to the light which Christ lighteth you withall which is the covenant with you A God which breaks all other covenants when you come to the Light all the covenants you have made with men with Death must be broken and will be broken
have no such speech among you Catholicks But is without which is your bread and wine and are not all Murtherers Persecutors Prisoners Whippers Burners Inquisitioners Sectaries and Apostates from the Apostles and sacrificers from that nature Cain was in and not from the divine natu●e and the faith of the Son of God and the Apostles and Abel Have you the spirit of Christ Is any of the Church but who are of Abraham Is any of the Church of Christ but who are of the flesh of Christ Is any of Faith but who are of Abraham And is not faith a myst●ry a perfect gift of God and is not this faith held in a pure conscience And can any ones conscience which is not pure hold this faith of Gods elect wch is the mystery and doth not this faith give victory over the nature in man and woman that doth p●rtain to Idols an● Images made with mans hands and in the wills of men in Jewes Gentiles Apostates from the Apostles since their dayes come up And doth not the faith give victory over all the Jewes changeable Types Offerings Temples Tythes Priests Covenant Hath the Lord put his law into your minds that you need not say unto your neighbour and writ it in your heart that you need not say unto one another Know the Lord For from the greatest of you to the least of you ye all know the Lord Hath God commanded the light to shine out of darknesse and doth it shine in your hearts And then mark dot● that li●ht that shines in your heart mark again give you the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ Cor. 2.4 Are you them that doth take heed to the light that shines in the dark place Is the day-star risen in your hearts that Peter speaks of Is the ingrafted word which is able to save the soule felt in you And the hidden man of the heart which is with the Lord a great price Are you them that are no wearers of gold or costly array Are you them that exercise Lordship one over another like unto the Gentiles or are you like unto the Apostles which Christ said it should not be so amongst them Are you like to the Pharisees called of men M●ster laying heavy burdens upon the people and go in long Robes chiefest seats in the assemblies and loves salutations and uppermost rooms at Feasts which Christ said unto his be ye not so And where do you read Mr. Paul Mr. Titus and Mr. Timothy c. Are you the ●rue believers that are ceased from their own works as God did from his Are you come out of the law of works to the law of faith Is your consciences purged from dead works to serve the living God Are you those Children that needs no man to teach you but as the same an●inting abides in you and as it doth teach ye shall continue in the Son of God and the father Or are you the Seducers Sects and Hereticks that draws people from the anointing within and so men teachers Are you them that keep your selves from Idols that John speaks of Are you of the seed of the woman that keeps the commands of God Are you the children of the Lord that are taught of him that are farre from oppression Are you ceased from men whose breath is in their nostrils that the Prophet speaks of Are ye them that tremble at the Word of God Are you them that obey the word of faith in your hearts in your mouths and that saith the righteousnesse of faith speaks on this wise you need not say you need not fetch it from above or from beneath but what saith it The word is nigh thee in thy heart and in thy mouth to obey it and do it Is this a sectary or out of sectaries Are ye of them that make images or likenesses of Males and Females things in heaven above and earth beneath and bows down unto them wch corrupts themselves with them and corrupts the earth Are you of them that saith The kingdome of heaven is within you Have you found it in you Or are you like unto the Pharisees gazing for it abroad without you Is God the author of your faith and is it in your hearts and doth it purifie you Are the professors the greater persecutors that hath the form out of the faith out of the life of them that be of the faith and life then the Gentiles whether have been greater in all ages judge ye Have you found the pearl hid in the field Are you the Merchant man that hath made an exchange and purchased it Do you speak only as the Holy Ghost moves you as they that gave forth Scriptures Are you led by the same spirit and power that the A●ostles were Do you speak but as the spirit gives you utterance and are you them that do not quench the spirit Are you them that owns prophesies immediately as the Apostles and Revelation and Inspiration from God as they had Have you heard Gods voyce and Christs voyce immediately from heaven as the Prophets and A●ostles did What is the tree of Knowledge and what is the flaming Sword that keeps the tree of Life And what are the inwardly raveners and what is it they ravened from And what are the false Prophets and Antichrists that have got the sheeps cloathing which Christ said should come and John saw they were come And in the Revelation The world went after them And what is the Sea the Beast rose out of and what is the Beast and what is the second Beast that rose out of the earth and what is the earth he should deceive with his miracles and what are his miracles And all that dwell upon the earth should worship him because of his miracles And what are his names marks horns and heads crowns and images and what is the woman that fled into the wildernesse and what is the Whore that hath corrupted the Earth and what did she whore from which hath made the Inhabitants of the earth drunk And what are these Kings that have committed fornication with her And what is the cup of fornication that all Nations have drunk of And what is mystery-Babylon that reigns over the Kings of the earth and what is the Whore the false Prophets weapons Antichrists the Dragons that fight against the Saints withal And what are the Lambs weapons and the Saints that they fight withal and what Peoples Nations Multitudes Tongues are those that John says are waters that the Whore sits upon and what are those Saints that the Beast overcame and who are they which then the Beast had the power over all Kindreds Tongues and Nations and are not these things got up since the dayes of the Apostles And whether or no the Lamb and the Saints shall not have the victory over them all again and whether or no the Saints must not come to that which they ravened from before they have victory over all that which
you when you sprinkle your children put salt in their mouths spit in their eares dip their heads in the water and crosse them over the faces 17. What is the death that hath passed over all men 18. What is the tree of knowledge of good and evill 19. What is Anti-christ is not it he which sets up things which Christ has not commanded 20. What is the beast the first and second 21. What is the Dragon 22. What is the Mother of Harlots and her cup which all Nations and the Kings of the earth has drunk of 23 What is the bottomlesse pit 24 What are the locusts 25 What is the first principle of the pure Religion 26 Doth Christ Jesus enlighten every man that comes into the world yea or nay 27 What is it that gives the knowledge of the glory of God and where is it 28 What is the Word 29 What is the Gospel 30 What is the Record 31 What is the Original 32 What is the law and the testimony 33 What is self-righteousnesse 34 Shall a man while he is upon earth have the body of sin put off and be perfect and come to that which is perfect and have his transgressions and sins blotted out yea or nay 35 What is conscience and what is the soul 36. Would you not destroy them that would break down your pictures your Images your Crosses your Crucifixes and throw away your beads would not that lov● in you destroy them that should destroy your pictures Crosses Crucifixes Images beads would not the Heathen have done the same to the Jews that had destroyed their Images Groves pictures set up which God never commanded Would not the Jews have destroyed the Apostles for denying the Temple the Altar Sanctuary Tabernacle dayes Priests offerings the outward things which God had formerly commanded but denyed by them that came to witnesse and preach up the body that God had prepared to put an end to them and was not that the love of God in the Apostles and was not that the sel●ish love that held up pictures Temples Images Idols which God never commanded and was not that the selfish love in the Jews that held up Temple tythes Priests Images similitudes and are not you in the selfish love and is not this selfish love that holds up Temples Tythes Priests Images Crucifixes Pulpits and is not all this in one nature Jews Gentiles and you since the dayes of the Apostles and out of the love that the Apostles were in who witnesse against Jewes Priests tythes and Gentiles and Idols and bad the Saints keep themselves from Idols 1 John 5.21 37. Are not they the false Apostles Ministers and Teachers Antichrist Beast and false Prophets who comes with lying signs wonders and miracles since the dayes of the Apostles and John and who are these describe them that should come with the lying signs and wonders and the beast should work miracles since the dayes of the Apostles 38. Are not they the false Apostles Ministers and Teachers and in the night out of the true day have lost it since the dayes of the Apostles the true Christians which were children of the day that now observes dayes is not this a figure and sign to be in the night was not the true Apostle afraid of some that observed dayes that he had bestowed his labour in vain amongst them and was not this observing of dayes coming up amongst some before the Apostles decease which the true Apostles rebuked and since the dayes of the Apostles have they not spread over Nations observers of dayes and are they not gone into the night and lost the true day 39. Why do you whip your selves with cords or ropes or whips where did the Christians or Apostles do so or did Christ or the Apostles give any such command will you be tryed and have your practises tryed by the Scriptures of Christ and the Apostles 40. Do you own the practice of the Church of the Saints and Christians which the Apostle was amongst that if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his peace for ye may all prophecy one by one that all may learne and be edified and comforted the Spirits of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets and God is the God of order and not of confusion 41. Do you own that Sons and Daughters shall prophecy in this age and that the spirit will be poured out upon them yea or nay 42. Do you own revelation and immediate inspiration as the Apostles had the same now in these dayes as was amongst them yea or nay 43. Do you own trembling and quaking as was amongst the Saints which the Scriptures speak of and the salvation which is to be wrought out with fear and trembling and doth not this work out that nature that beats and striks the Creature 44. What are all your names that you give to your Fryers Monks Jesuits given to them for where did Christ and the Prophets and Apostles do so or give any such names to any as white Fryers black Fryers Jesuits Abbots Monks has not this been set up since the fall●ng away from the power and life that the Saints were in who were of one mind and heart and Spirit and Soul and the number of these names got up since 45. From whence was the rise of your Pope Cardin●ls Abbots Monkes Pryors Arch Bishops Covents Canons Nunns Jesuites Franciscans Dominicans Carth●sians Capuchins Benedictines Mendicants Carmelits gray Fryers black Fryers white Fryers your Regulers and Seculers our Altar Rayles Organs Candlesticks Tapers Lights Torches holy Water Myters Vestments Fonts Surplisses Bendings before Images bowings before the Altar where do ye find these names or things amongst the Apostles or the Saints and Churches which the Apostles were amongst or where did they do so shew a proof of it before their decease in all their Epistles or in all the declaration of Christ or the Apostles for your practise to act or practise any such thing or to give any such names or set up such Orders 46. Where had the Apostles and Saints any Inquisition-Houses to put them in that were contrary to their minds 47. Where had the Apostles and Saints any houses to put men and women into such as ye call Abbies Monasteries Nunneries 48. Where did the Apostles or Saints set up a form that some of them should beg all their life times is it not said I have not seen the righteous forsaken nor his seed beging his bread 49. Where did ever any in the Scriptures wear sack-cloth or hair-cloth except such as of the Lord God were commanded to wear them as a sign 50. Where is it amongst the Apostles and true Churches that were amongst them that they should be distinguished one from another by their habits as every name hath their severall habits amongst you prove me this by Scripture have not you lost the true knowing one another in the Spirit and so know one another by habits