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A09026 The grounds of diuinitie plainely discouering the mysteries of Christian religion, propounded familiarly in diuers questions and answeres: substantially proued by scriptures; expounded faithfully, according to the writings of the best diuines, and euidently applyed by profitable vses, for the helpe and benefite of the vnlearned which desire knowledge. To the which is prefixed a very profitable treatise, containing an exhortation to the study of the word, with singular directions for the hearing and reading of the same. By Elnathan Parr minister of the word, at Palgraue in Suffolke.; Grounds of divinitie. Parr, Elnathan, d. 1622. 1614 (1614) STC 19314; ESTC S103147 128,560 328

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That we walke soberly and in the feare of God because of the Angels who as they note our behauiour Luk. 15.10 so they reiuice at the conuersion of sinners Vse 3. For euill Angels remember first to hate all sinne in asmuch as the Diuell is an accuser of vs 2 Pet. 2.4.9 2. and a deadly enemy of our saluation séeking as a roaring Lyon to deuoure vs endeauouring by all meanes as Cyprian saith being lost himselfe to make others the children of perdition to put on the whole Armour of God and to resist him and to kéep watch ward against so subtill malitious watchfull powerfull and vnwearied enemy and this with so much the more assurance because the whole power of darkenesse is ouercome and vanquished by our Lord Iesus Christ to whom be praise for euer Amen Quest Well you say the world was created in sixe daies with all that therein is What did God create the first day Ans In the first day were created the Earth Waters and the Light Explic. Genes 1.2 3 4 5. These thrée God created the first day and that by his word not a word spoken or sounding but by his commaundement or by his essentiall word The Earth was without forme and void that is not as it is now dry solide appearing fruitfull distinguished by hills vallies riuers c. The absence of these is vnderstoode by those words without forme and void Yea it had not the name of Earth for that name it had the third day here so called by anticipation It was not onely empty and void but drowned as it were in a most déepe gulfe of waters and swimming in the same being like vnto a slimy or muddie substance not appearing vntill by the power of God it was compacted into a solide masse and drawne out of the depth and receiued the forme of the earth which was the third day And darkenesse was vpon the face of the déepe Then God said Let there be Light and it was so c. This darknesse vnderstand not a substance created of God but a priuatiue quality of the rude masse of earth and water commingled that is a defect of light or rather a méere negation and nothing And whereas the Scripture saith that God creates darkenesse it is to be vnderstood by accident because he takes away the light Esay 42.16 and 45.7 This darkenesse was vpon the face of that watry and muddy body and beganne with the same The light spoken of I thinke to be meant not a thing altogether immateriall or subsisting without a subiect but a lightsome quality sparsed ouer the face of the déepe whereby it was so illustrated that it wholy might be discerned The time of this first darkenesse and the first continuance of the light following made the first naturall day The darkenesse being called Night and the Light Day which Light went and returned by the wonderfull appointment of God till the fourth day when the order of day and night was to be disposed by the Sunne Vse 1. First here as in all other workes of the Creation to note it once for all the wonderfull power wisedome and goodnesse of God is to be magnified that of nothing hath made al these things Vse 2. Here consider that of Saint Paul 2. Cor. 4.6 God that commaunded the light to shine out of darkenesse hath shined in our hearts to giue the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Iesus Christ Whereby we may note that the worke of Grace in our hearts whereby we know and behold God in the amiable face of Iesus Christ is a worke equall to the first creation of light and that as the earth was without forme and voyd partely in respect of the want of light So a conscience wanting the light of Grace and the illumination of the spirit is most miserable and wretched And as the light is pretious it is comfortable to the eies to behold the Sunne Eccl. 11.7 So the comfort of comforts is this when the conscience séeeth and by faith discerneth the countenance of God appeased and fauourable in Iesus Christ Quest What did God create the second day Ans I beleeue that on the second day God made the Heauens and diuided the waters which were vnder the firmament from the waters which are aboue the firmament Gen. 1.6.7.8 Expli God not of water but of nothing made the heauens with their motion together with that wonderful space from the fact of the earth to the vtmost Heavens called a spreading ouer Esay 40.22 42.5 Psal 104.2 called also the Firmament not as though it were hard or solide but being of a most pure matter because of the constant and enduring firmenesse of it by the which it is not worne through the continuall motion but remaineth such as it was framed of God in the beginning Which Heauens are by Philosophers curiously distinguished In Scripture we reade of thrée heauens The lowest which is the ayre The second which are the Celestiall Orbs or the Aspectable Heauens The third the Heauen of the blessed the Heauen of heauens Paradise into the which Paul was rapt and Christ ascended The House and Throne of God his seate and habitation not that God dwelleth there and is contained therein as in a house but because he ineffably shineth there in maiesty and glory and communicates himselfe to the blessed Angels and men Vnderstand then that these highest heauens are called the seate of God by the manifesting of his glorie of Angels and men by the comprehension of their natures The waters aboue the firmament are the cloudes ouer our heads in the middle Region of the Ayre which God diuided from the waters which couered the face of the earth that it might be a preparation for the Appearance of the Earth the third day God diuided these waters not by their Centre as if one diuide an Apple into two equal parts but in the middest or betwéene the middest of the waters orbicularly or round about the whole compasse of the same as in a ball of foure couers if one should take the two outmost round about and stretching them to a larger concauity and hollownesse should so diuide them So God did diuide or make thinne and spread abroad the outmost halfe of the waters that part of them should be aboue the firmament that is not aboue all the heauens but aboue that part of it which is from the face of the earth and sea vnto the cloudes which is called Heauen Verse 20. Vse Let all the Inhabitants of the Earth serue God and feare before him who is able euery moment to let fall the clouds vpon vs to drowne the world For if these waters which hang ouer our heads were not by the mighty commandement of God holden vp surely bound in the clouds they must néedes drowne vp all as in Noahs floud which cloudes he causeth at his pleasure to powre forth water eyther for
humour fitter to be purged then norished Some worthily in regard of their great acuity iudgemēt like nothing for themselues but that which transcendeth common capacities I doe not thinke my selfe able to doe that which might giue them satisfaction And in asmuch as there are three fold more which haue but meane knowledge then which abound it shall content me that euen as Golde is common in Rich mens pockets but Siluer is currant among the common sort it shall I say content me if while those of deeper iudgement bee conuersant in the Writings of the learned my Labours may be in the hands of the meaner sort for whose sake specially I haue taken this paines For thee therefore which arte but a beginner I haue laboured If I may adde to thy knowledge and affection and be a helper of thy Faith and Ioy giue thou God the glory I haue then attained the end of my labors Reade once and reade againe it may bee the second reading wil be more sauory then the first If thou profitest herein according as I haue praied for thee I know thou shalt neuer repent thee And thus desiring the helpe of thy prayers I commend thee to God and to the word of his Grace wishing thy farther vp-building in all sauing knowledge godlinesse and established comfort of conscience through Iesus Christ Thine in our Christ E. P. A Table for the ready finding out of the principall things contained in this Booke A ATTENTION in hearing pag. 22. Application necessary of that which wee heare and reade 37. Of Angels Good and Euill and what they are 77. B Of Baptisme 272. C Not onely for the Church doe wee beleeue the Scriptures to be Diuine 52. 53. Of Creation and what it is 73. Of the Workes of Creation the first day 80. Of the Workes of the second day 83. Of the Workes of the third day 85. Of the Workes of the fourth day 88. Of the Workes of the fift day 94. Of the Workes of the sixt day 95. Of the Creation of Man 96. Of Conscience 103. A consideration of Christ how and why his Righteousnesse is sufficient for the Iustification of all the Elect. 182. 183 c. That Christ is God and Man in on Person and why 187. Of the righteousnesse of Christ whereby we are iustified what it is 192. How wee are made partakers of this Righteousnesse 193. Of the Offices of Christ 199. Of the Church 241. The Church but one and how 260. What a visible Church is 262. Of the notes of a visible Church Ibid. Church-men subiect to Ciuill Magistrates 293. Of the Ciuill Magistracy 294. D Difficulty of the Scriptures to whom and why p. 7. 8. 9. Distracting care a hinderance to wise Hearing 18. Of Church Discipline 288. E Of Eternall Life 226. Of Eternall Death Ibid. Of Election 247. F A description of God the Father 68. Of the Fall of Man 140. How the fall of Adam and Eue belongs to vs. 148. Of Faith what it is 196. G What GOD is described 54. Of diuers Attributes of God 55. 56. 57. Of the Relations of Persons in the Trinity 61. There are three Persons but one God Ibid. What Essence and Person are in the God-head and why the Church vseth such tearmes as also Trinity in Vnity 64. 65. 66. A description of God the Holy Ghost 68. Of the Generation of the Sonne 70. H Of wise Hearing the Word 17. seque Three things required to wise Hearing 17. Three things necessary in Hearing 21. 22. I Intemperance a let to wise hearing 17. Intention in Hearing 23. Iudgement to be vsed in the Reading of the Scriptures 33. Iudgement in Reading consisteth in three things Ibid. Of the Image of God in Man 115. Of Iustification 173. Of Iustification by the Righteousnesse of Another 177. Of the day of Iudgement 232. K Of the Knowledge of God 39. 40. L Of the Law 155. How the Law is abrogated and how not 161. Of the vse of the Law 165. None can perfectly keepe the Law 169. Of the penalty of breaking the Law 172. How we are freed from the Law 173. M Of Meditation after we haue heard and how to be practised 25. 26. 27. The right Meaning to bee carefully sought out in our Reading and how we should find it 35. 36. Of the Creation of Man 96. Of the Soule of Man 99. Of Mortification 211. Of the Ministery of the Word 267. Of the Ciuill Magistrate 293. Of the Power and Authority of the Ciuill Magistrate 294. N Of the New Man 212. O Of Order to be vsed in Reading of the Scriptures 30. P Of Preparation to the Hearing of the Word 17. Preparation consisteth in two things 17. Fiue things to be auoyded that we may be prepared 17. 18. 19. Preiudice against the Teacher a hinderance to wise Hearing 18. Pride a hinderance to wise Hearing Ib. Three things to bee done that wee may Heare Wisely 20. Prayer necessary to Preparation before Hearing for whom and for what 20. Of the Procession of the Holy Ghost 70. Of the Prouidence of God 117. Of Prayer 220. Of Predestination 247. Predestination bringeth not in a neglect of Godlinesse 248. R Retention necessary to wise Hearing 24. Of Reading the Scriptures 28 c. Reuerence to bee vsed in Reading the Scriptures 28. Of Redemption 127. How it comes to passe that wee stand in need of a Redeemer 132. Of Repentance 204. Of the Resurrection 237. Of Reprobation 247. S The Scriptures difficult 7. 8. Our paines ought to be the more 9. 10. The Scriptures are the word of God 12 Security a let to wise hearing 19. We are wisely to reade the Scriptures three things necessary thereuntô 28 The Scriptures the best means to attaine the sound knowledge of God 39. What the Scriptures are described 40. Why called Scriptures and Holy 41. Why the Scriptures are called a Couenant and a Testament 44. Of the authority of the Scriptures 48. How we know the Scripuures to be Diuine and Canonicall 50. A Description of God the Sonne 68. Of Originall sinne 151. Of Sinne what it is 155. Of Sanctification 204. Of Free-will 207. Of the parts of Sanctification 211. Of the measure of Sanctification attained in this life 218. Of helpes to sanctification 220. Of the Reward of sanctification 224. Of the Sacraments 271. Of the Lords Supper 280. Of reuerēt coming to the lords table 282 How oftē to come to the Lords table 283 Of Subiects and their duties 295 T Timely comming to the congregation necessary to preparation before the hearing of the word 21. A fit time to be obserued for reading 33 Of this word Testament referred to the Scriptures 43. The Testament how one and two 44. 45. V Of the Vtility of the scriptures 10. 11. W Fiue reasons shewing that all are bound to the study of the Word 3. 4. Diligence in study of the Word 5. 6. Two Reasons to prouoke our diligence in the study of the Word 7. Two parts of the
the world began The Holy Ghost beareth this witnesse vnto the consciences of the elect And this testimony is that inward force and efficacy of the holy spirit by the which wee feele our hearts moued bowed and perswaded to beleeue the word 1. Cor. 2.10.11.12 Ioh. 2.20.27 1. Ioh. 5.10 Hee that beleeueth hath the witnesse in himselfe This testimony next to the voyce of God speaking in the Scriptures who indeed is onely a sufficient witnesse to himselfe is to be preferred before all other testimonies and arguments whatsoeuer But this must be remembred that this witnesse of the Spirit in the heart serueth not to confirme doctrines and to confute aduersaries but onely that euery one for himselfe by this witnesse might be certaine in his very conscience that the holy Scriptures are of God In this the conscience resteth and is satisfied and it ariseth and is wrought in our hearts by the word read heard meditated vpon and translated to the vse of faith and life as Ioh. 7.17 If any man will do his will saith Christ he shall know of the doctrine whether it be of God or whether I speake of my selfe The humane testimonies are either of the Church or of The enemies of the Church The perpetuall consent of the Church of all the people of God in receiuing embracing and conseruing the word of God so many ages notwithstanding their diuersity and disparity of mindes and iudgements argueth no lesse then a diuine authority in the word The enemies are either Iewes or Heathen The Iewes acknowledge the bookes of Moses and the Prophets to be giuen by diuine inspiration And among the Heathen when Ptolomy the King of Aegypt demanded why Heathen Authors in their writings make no mention of the bookes of Scripture one made answere Because they were diuine and that God the author of them was reuenged of all those that presumed to touch them as Iosephus and Eusebius report The other reasons may be drawne first from the antiquity of them being of all writings the most ancient Moses the first Pen-man of holy Writ being farre elder then all other writings now extant in the world a thing well knowne to the learned Secondly from the certaine euent accomplishing of the diuers prophesies which neither by naturall causes nor by the wit of man could euer haue been foretold Thirdly from the miracles which Sathan neuer could bring to passe Fourthly from the matter of them containing the whole pure and perfect law of God and describing such a meanes of saluation which both agreeth to the glory and perfect Iustice of God and satisfieth the conscience Fifthly from the maiesty of them which shineth euen through the humility and simplicity of the phrase Sixthly from the inuincible firmity and continuance of them notwithstanding the rage of so many persecutors labouring to abolish their very memory Seuenthly from the beautifull harmony and admirable consent of all the parts of the doctrine contained therein Eighthly from the force of them in the mindes of men effecting mouing conuerting and transforming vs into new men and kindling a liuely consolation in our mindes in the day of tryall as appeared in the Martyrs Ninthly from the irreconcileable hatred of Sathan and his complicies tyrants persecutors and all prophane men against the Scriptures more then any other Bookes Tenthly from the vengeance of God vpon the contemners blasphemers and enemies of the word It were almost infinite to reckon all that might be said herein all which are good iointly and seuerally considered to confirme vnto vs the authority of the Scriptures and to conuince the consciences of all them which in the vanity and wickednesse of their hearts shall any way call them into question Wherefore it appeareth and nothing can be said to the contrary that all are bound with all diligence to study in the word of God Two principall parts of our study in the word are the Reading and the Hearing of it All then must giue all diligence to heare and read the Scriptures And because things good in themselues through bad and negligent vsage become oft-times vnprofitable and hurtfull vnto vs therefore the Apostle Paul prayeth and exhorteth Colos 1.10 Colos 3.16 that the Word dwell in vs in all wisedome That wee ought wisely to heare the word preached appeareth by our Sauiour himselfe in his monitions to his Apostles and Disciples Mat. 15.10 Mark 4.24 Luke 8.18 Heare and vnderstand Take heed what you heare Take heed how you heare Vnto this wise hearing three things are necessary First something is to bee done before we heare Secondly something in the hearing Thirdly something when we haue heard That which is to be done before wee heare is called Preparation which consisteth in the auoiding of some things and in the doing of other some Those things which are to be auoided may be reduced to these fiue heads The first is Intemperance in riotous eating and drinking pampering the body whereby we are made vnfit for the exercises of the word the body being then more apt to sleepe then to heare Full bellies for the most part haue empty soules and therefore our Sauiour Christ monished his Apostles to beware of surfeiting and drunkennesse Luk. 21.34 which oppresse the heart The second is Distracting cares of the world these must be banished out of our minds when we come to heare the word As Abraham when he went to sacrifice his sonne vpon the mount Gen. 22.5 left his Asse and Seruants at the foote of the hill Euen so when we come to the holy hill of God with the Congregation we must put off and abandon all our owne thoughts words and seruile labours For as thornes choke the Corne so will these the word as our Sauiour teacheth Luk. 8.14 The third is Preiudice against the person of the Teacher for when the person is once distasted we relish not his doctrine though neuer so good So Ahab could not abide Micaiah and therefore would not endure his teaching and admonitions The fourth is Pride for some measure of knowledge receiued As many will say they know as much as the Preacher can tell them It may be they doe But doe they practise it Such must know first that preaching is not onely to teach men that which they know not but also to stirre them vp to practise that which they know not so much ordained to informe the iudgement as to reforme the affection Secondly they must remember that part of the song of the Virgin He filleth the hungry with good things but the rich he sendeth empty away The fifth is Carnall security when we come to the hearing of the word with a resolution that speake the Lord what he will and cry the seruants of God against our sinnes as long and as loud as they will yet we will do as we list For many by this meanes come into the congregation as the vncleane beasts into the Arke they come in vncleane and
power onely to the Scriptures and therefore we must exclude all vnwritten Traditions or Decrées of men though neuer so holy and learned from being this Rule or any part thereof Therefore we are forbidden to adde Deut. 4.2 Reu. 22.18 19. or take from the written word of God Beléeuest thou the Scriptures They say thou shalt not adde to them And therefore Tertullian saith When we beléeue wée beléeue this first that there is nothing more which we ought to beléeue Vse 2. This bindeth all to all reuerence in reading Prou. 1.7 Psa 25.14 1. Pet. 4.11 speaking hearing of the word because of the Author which is God and to all care to know vnderstand beléeue and obey the same because to this purpose it is giuen vs as a most perfect Rule by God himselfe Q. The holy Scriptures are Diuine and Canonicall in themselues Esay 8.20 Deut. 5.32 Ioh. 5.39 2. Pet. 1.19 Gal. 6.16 2. Iohn 10 Iohn 7.17 1. Cor. 2.10.11.12 1. Ioh. 2.27 5.10 but how do we know that they be so Ans We know that they are so both by the testimony of themselues for so the old Testament testifieth of it selfe the new of the old and of it selfe and also by the witnesse of the Holy Ghost in our hearts Expli There are two principall arguments of the Diuinity of the Scriptures to vs 2. Sam. 23 2. Luk. 1.70 2 Tim. 3.16 2. Pet. 1.21 1. Cor. 2.13 the first is their owne voyce witnessing that they are of God as often this is repeated in the Prophets Thus saith the Lord. And this is the chiefest Argument euen the very voice of God himselfe of which we may safely collect thus If the Scriptures be true when they speake of things to come then also when they speake of things present The second argument is like vnto the first and it is the testimony of the Holy Ghost which as it inspired the holy men to write so also it teacheth the children of God to beléeue the Scriptures 2. Pet. 1.21 1. Cor. 2.10 for if faith be the gift of God as it is then also to beléeue the Scriptures to be the word of God The first of these is to perswade others and our selues the other chiefly to satisfie our our selues which also is alwaies agréeable to the Scriptures and is to be examined by the same Vnto these two you may adde also their miraculous preseruation notwithstanding the rage of all Iulians and Diuels the diuine vocation mission and life of the Writers the Maiesty of the stile the purity of the Doctrine their power vpon the conscience for the confounding and breaking of the stubborne and for the raising conuerting and comforting of the broken and such like Vse This serues to confute the Papists who hold that the only chiefe argument whereby we are perswaded of the authority of the Scriptures is the testimony of the Church we willingly acknowledge that the Church is a meanes whereby wee come to the knowledge of the Scriptures but not that for the which only we beléeue them to be diuine The Scriptures are a Rule 1. Tim. 3.15 the office of the Church is to keep to vse this Rule Now as the worke-man which vseth a Rule giues not that power to it wherby it iudgeth the dimensions but it hath it of its owne nature by an inward essentiall property as it is a Rule so also the Scriptures haue not this power of the Church though the Church haue power skill to vse the same And therfore our Sauiour when question was whether he were the Messiah or no resteth not on the witnesse of Iohn Iohn 5.36 Ibid. Vers 37. Verse 39. but vpon greater and better witnesse this witnesse was his workes the witnesse of his Father and of the holy Scriptures So when the Tessalonians receiued the preaching of Paul as the word of God 1. Thes 2.13 it was not the testimony of any Church nor the worthinesse of Paul a meane poore man but the very force of the word it selfe which bowed their hearts The testimony of the Church is to be reuerenced is good but not infallible The testimony of the Scriptures themselues is better and infallible The Church is to be proued by the Scriptures not the scriptures only by the Church Yea the Papists to proue the infallibility of the Church flie to the Scriptures And vniuersally Mat. 16.18 1. Tim. 3.15 the authority prouing is greater more certaine more knowne then the conclusion proued by the same Yea if we should belieue the Scriptures onely for the authority of the Church which is in conclusion the Pope his Prelates then first they should be Iudges in their own cause which is vnequall Secondly there could be no certainty of Faith or Religion because the Church hath varied diuersly in her iudgement of the Canon Thirdly why may not the Turkes perswade themselues that their testimony of their Alcoran is as sufficient as ours of the Scriptures Fourthly this is to subiect the Word of God to the will of Man yea God to man so that God shall not be beleeued to speake to vs nor we beleeue him when he speaks vnlesse it please the Church that is the Pope and his Prelates yea there shal be no more difference betweene God the Diuel truth lying the sacred and diuine Scriptures and the Alcoran of the Turkes then the Church shall thinke fit which is most horrible blasphemy The Lord open the eies of our Aduersaries the Papists to consider it Q. How do these holy Scriptures set forth and describe God or what do you beleeue God to be according to the Scriptures Ans I beleeue by the Scriptures that God is a Spirit being of himselfe and giuing being to all things Infinite Eternall Almighty Knowing all things c. Wisedome Goodnesse Mercy Truth Iustice it selfe c. The Father the Son and the Holy Ghost The Creator and Preseruer of all things The Redeemer and Sanctifier of his Church Expl. None must imagine that I haue set downe all that can be said of God for there are many other particulars in the holy Scriptures but these are the heads neither can the knowledge of Men Angels expresse fully the amplitude of his essence and glory Though that so much as is auaileable for vs to know himselfe hath reuealed in his word for it is most true that a learned man said Ramus God cannot be defined without his owne logicke This is not a Definition but a Description taken out of the Scriptures consisting of thrée parts first of Attributes secondly of Relations and proprieties of persons Thirdly of Actions and Effects which are generall as Creation Prouidence speciall belonging only to his Church which are principally two Redemption and Sanctification Of these I purpose according as God enableth to enquire in order according to the Scriptures and first I will briefly expound the Atributes as they are alleaged We
two branches of it Election and Reprobation is manifest in the like Answeres To deny it were to deny that Wisedome in God which we attribute to wise men who thinke of nothing but to some ends which they haue before propounded in themselues Much more doth God determine aforehand what he will do and why appointing euery thing the fit vse to which it shall serue and the certaine end to which it shall attaine with the meanes leading thereto This doctrine is to bee taught in the Church soberly and discreatly according not to the curious inuentions of men but the Scripture in as much as the wisedome of God hath reuealed it and then we are bound to take knowledge of it And because it is the very foundation Deu. 29.29 and ground-work of all our certainty and assurance in Christ concerning heauenly things The order of Predestination I take to be this First that God first purposeth his owne Glory which is the vtmost end of all things then for the effecting hereof that he purposeth to create the world and in it man whom he purposeth to create perfite but mutable to suffer him to fall and all Man-kind in him and then out of Man-kind fallen to chuse some in Iesus Christ to manifest the glory of his mercy in them and not to chuse the rest but to leaue them in their guiltinesse and corruption to manifest in them the glory of his Iustice for as it is Mercy to be elected in Christ and so saued So it is Iustice to be reprobated and forsaken Here remember that though we cannot speake write or conceiue of the Will of God herein but by setting downe one thing after another yet there is no such thing in God but after an incomprehensible manner he doth will all these things at once We say that Election and Reprobation are the free Counsell and Purpose of God c. Because we are stedfastly to acknowledge that the Will of God is the first and principall mouing cause of all things For nothing can be but God willing it to be either by effecting it or suffering it I make the Subiect of Predestination in Election and Reprobation to be Mankind fallen and corrupted which I suppose in the vttermost of my weake vnderstanding to be the safest and plainest way in this intricate and weighty Point With mine Opnion I will be bold to set downe and to proue as briefly and plainely as I can willingly and with all 〈◊〉 respect submitting my selfe in this and in all the rest to the censure and iudgement of the Learned according to the Scriptures I conceiue then that in 〈◊〉 first God willeth a thing to be before he ordaineth it to this or that end I do not say that a thing must be extant before God determine of it but that God willeth it to be extant else Gods decree should be of nothing in as much as till God will it there is not nor can be any shing Then I would argue thus When God considered Man-kind in Election or Reprobation he considered him either 〈◊〉 in his created Perfection or fallen from it Not standing Therefore fallen First for the Proposition if any shal finde fault with it as not sufficient and adde a 〈◊〉 estate of man to be considered neither standing nor fallen Then I think they must proue that there was such an estate of man but I am sure there neuer was any such vnlesse they make a double purpose of God in creating of man One whereby he purposed to create him another whereby he purposed to create him according to his Image which I suppose to be too curious because at that instant that man was he was according to the Image of God and so God considered him onely and alwayes because he neuer was otherwise vnlesse we would say that the inward act of Gods purpose is different from the outward which I thinke is not to be granted And likewise so Moses bringeth in the Trinity consulting as it were Let vs make Man according to our Image noting as I thinke one vndiuided act of the purpose of God when he considered the Creation of Man I would not therefore say that the naked Masse is the subiect of Predestination nor that God passeth by men onely as they are men and not as they are corrupt For this were to make the subiect of Gods Predestination to be améere notion or a conceit onely of the minde because that man was neuer but in an estate of holinesse or corruption Neither doth the similitude of the Potter proue it as farre as I can conceiue Rom. 9.21 The meaning of which place I take to be this The Apostle thereby stoppeth the murmuring and cauilling mouth of the Reprobate who presumptudusly say Why are wee aproued and why doth God complaine of vs for breaking his will If he would haue giuen vs grace we would also haue 〈◊〉 Who hath resisted this his wil To this the Apostle answereth by a similitude taken from the Potter by a comparison from the lesse to the greater thus Who art thou that disputest with God If the Potter haue power of the same naked lampe to make a vessell to honour another to dishonour shall not God much more haue power of a corrupted lumpe of mankinde to make vessels of wrath Which in my simple vnderstanding doth better take away all reasoning from the Reprobate and stoppe their mouthes then to expound it of Gods absolute Right For similitudes are not to be pressed too farre it is brought against the Reprobate and there is no correspondency and likenesse betwéene the Potters naked masse and the naked masse of mankinde because the Potters masse though naked is a thing really and indéed extant by it selfe though the Potter make neuer a Pot of it So is not the naked masse of mankinde extant really but only in imagination And therfore I would not presse a similitude in that wherein there is us likenesse If any shall obiect and say Hath not God absolute right authority soueraignty power ouer his creature I answere Yes and he may do with his owne what he will who shall let him Neither doth any thing I haue said inferre the contrary And yet that God doth or will vse an absolute right toward the creature as to cast it away without any desert of it I sée not yet by the Scriptures This I sée that what God may doe I may not dispute but what he wil do I must enquire and beléeue according to his word knowing that he can do the same If any shall say further God maketh vessels of wrath but if he should consider man fallen he should finde them made I deny the consequence for a man fallen in Adam is then said to be made a vessell of wrath when God for his sin decréeth his reiecting and punishment Beside to hold the corrupted masse is agréeable to that receiued doctrine of the Ancients that God forsakes none penally but such as forsake him This