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A65881 The Quakers plainness detecting fallacy in two short treatises : I. The first in answer to an abusive epistle, styl'd, The Quakers quibbles, and the comparison therein between the Muggletonians and the Quakers, proved absurd and unjust, II. The second, being a brief impeachment of the forger's compurgators (in their Quakers appeal answered) whose injustice, partiality and false glosses have given the chief occasion of these late contests / by George Whitehead. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1674 (1674) Wing W1949; ESTC R38608 33,527 88

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be the Divine Essence the Light must be so also for such as the Cause is such the Effect must be Thus G. W. in a Manuscript Whereas it is not thus laid down either in this Method or Form of Argument in any Manuscript of mine that I know of or an remember or find out and yet I do own That the Life which is the Light of Men that true Light wherewith every ma● is enlightened Joh. 1.4.9 in its own Being is God and Christ and not a meer Effect of Power as a made or created Thing but Divine and Increated It appears that these Witnesses have received divers Things on the Credit of their Brother T. Hicks who in like Manner layes down the Argument in his first Dialogue yet they have the Confidence to subscribe thereto though I confess I laid down my Reason to prove that Life which is the Light of and in Men Divine thus far viz. If that Life which is the Light of Men be of the divine Being then the Light must be so also Unto which I may now add the following Proposition But that Life is of the Divine Being or of a Divine Nature therefore the Light of Men spoaken of Joh. 1.4 9. must be so also I also grant that the Cause and Effect were spoaken of upon T. H. his esteeming the Light within but an Effect c. to explain my Sense of the Cause and Effect though not laid down in such an inconsistent Argument is placed upon me It was only admitted a● between that Divine Life and its immediate Illumination or Lightning in Man which naturally flows or proceeds from the Life So that if I should go meerly in the Form of Argument there being different Causes and Effects I should first distinguish between them As there are Causes and Effects or Products of one Kind or Nature so there are of different Kinds As the Sun and the Shining or Beams thereof are of one Kind and the Fountain and Streams thereof are of one Kind or Nature but so are not the Carpenter and the House that he makes c. as I plainly signified my Intention and Sense about that Immediate Light in Man being Divine Supernatural by a Reason of the contrary As the Light or Immediate Shining of the Sun in the Firmament is Natural because the Sun it self is a Natural Light so the Immediate Illumination or Shining of God in Man's Heart or Conscience must needs be Divine and Supernatural because he himself is so who is the Fountain of Light That Eternal Life which was with the Father 1 Joh. 1.2 is Divine and that Life was and is the Light of Men Joh. 1.4 And so 't is God who hath shined in our Hearts to give the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 And his shining we hope will not now be denyed to be Divine being immediately of and from himself and he so shined in their Hearts before they were come to the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Christ Jesus in Order to give them that Knowledge And I further add let it therefore suffice that it is my Principle That the Life which is the Light of Men mentioned Joh. 1.4.9 is Divine Supernatural and so Increa●●d and it was never my Judgment or Words that it was but a mere Effect as a Thing made but that in its own Being 't is no other then the Life of God and so himself and that every Measure or Degree of his Immediate Light Inshining or Illumination in Man is Divine and Spiritual and able to direct the Soul to God Christ from whence it cometh knowing also that God's Love and Grace in Christ is universal and free to all Mankind And why we should be Vnchristian'd for confessing Christ to be that Light which enlightneth every Man that comes into the World or for saying that the Light in Men is Divine I do not understand since T.H. himself hath confessed That Christ is the Life and Light of men Dial. 1. p. 22. Though this he hath often contradicted and since made it an Article against us to prove us No Christians that we hold That the Light wherewith every Man is enlightned is God when he himself hath confessed that it is Christ as namely That Christ is the Life and Light of Men. Sect. V. A slanderous Accusation of T. Hicks's against the Quakers removed AS to Matter of Fact Whereas we are charg'd to say That it concerns us to render our Adversaries as ridiculous as we can and to make our Friends believe they do nothing but contradict themselves and if this fail that we will insinuate by way of Question something that may be a Slander to them Dial. 1. pag. 72. and Qu. Ap. answ pag. 22. To prove this Charge T. Hicks saith that G. W. in his Answer to Mr Danson insinuates a Slander upon him by way of Question by saying That he styleth himself Minister of the Gospel at Sandwich but is not rather that Report of him true That he is given to Gaming and Bowls c And again T. H. addeth This Question was put meerly to slander him A notorious Untruth It was not put with any such Intent as meerly to slander him for it is true that such a Report was given to me of him and seem'd not improbable or then incredible to me such Recreations so call'd being common to men of his Coat It is true that by the Question before I did oppose a Gamster or Player at Bowls to a Minister of the Gospel but that I neither made the Report nor design'd to slander T.D. by way of Question or otherwise as I am slanderously accused see the following Certificate As concerning the Report that hath been made Question of touching T. Danson ' s exercising himself at Bowls c. when Minister at Sandwich I can certifie that I had this Report from an Independent who was an Inhabitant at Sandwich and who if Occasion require I question not but will evidence it and accordingly I made mention of this Report to George Whitehead witness my Hand Isaac Chatwode Now judge serious Reader how unjustly T.H. hath represented me as putting the Question meerly to slander T. D. whether he be concern'd or not I determine not which thing hath been perversly hinted in several Pamphlets against us And whether or no the said Question doth prove it our Answer Words or Principle to say That it concerns us to render our Adversaries as ridiculous as we can or that we will insinuate by way of Question something that may be a Slander to them as T.H. hath Dialogued the Matter in our Name after a most abusive sort beyond all Bounds of Honesty or Civility who farther attempts to prove that my Question before was put meerl● to slander him from what W. P. alledges in this very thing which is Who knows not that the Priests give themselves a Liberty in more
of his principal Allegations for Proof is that their Opinion is That the Soul is God or part of God and of God's Being without Beginning and Infinite which perversly and darkly he hath drawn from G. F's meer Question as plainly appears before we had need to look the more strictly into the matter Upon which I ask If to put this Question Is not THAT of God and of his Being which came out from God by which Man became a living Soul be an Opinion sufficient to prove Us No Christians Then Whether or no they are Christians who say that the Soul of Man is a Spirit of the NATURE of God which returns to God that gave it And whether this be not as high an Assertion of the Soul of Man as can be supposed G. F. ever asserted And that some Baptists have thus asserted of the Soul see what they say in their own Instances and Words viz. That this is a known Truth that every thing at its Dissolution dissolveth into its first Principles 1. The Springs Rivers run into the Sea from whence they came out Eccles. 1.7 2. The Ice Snow Hail that are congeal'd of Water dissolve into Water and out of Water they are congeal'd again 3. The Light centereth into the Sun which is the Fountain of Light therefore in the Night time it is dark and Moon and Stars give Light as they are aspected to the Sun 4. For Man at his Dissolution 1. The SOUL being a Spirit of the NATURE of God is said to return to him that gave it and the Body being made of the Dust returns to the Dust again Eccle. 12.7 Gen. 3.19 saith God Thou shalt return to the Ground for out of it thou wast taken Thus far Dan. King in his Book entitul'd A way to Sion p. 92. printed at London reprinted at Edenburgh Anno 1656. and highly approved and commended by T. Patient J. Spilsbury W. Kiffin and J. Pierson who in their Epistle dedicatory give this Commendation viz. It hath pleased God to stir up the Spirit of our Brother Dan. King whom we judge a faithful and painful Minister of Jesus Christ to take this Work in hand before us and we judge that he hath been much assisted of God in the Work in which he hath been very painful Observe here how it is affirmed that the Soul is of the NATURE of God and that according to the Instances before of these things that return into their first Principles See now Baptists your own Doctrine about the Soul or Spirit of Man Were you well advised to suffer your Brother so highly to charge and taunt at us about the Soul because of G. F s Question which concern'd the Breath or Spirit of Life from God by which Man became a Living Soul when you tell us plainly that the Soul is a Spirit of the NATURE OF GOD You would take it ill if any should scornfully Dialogue upon you for this as your Brother Hicks hath done upon us for G. F's Question Is not That of God which came out from God c. to wit the Breath or Spirit of Life with whose Words also about the Soul agreeth Wisd. 15.11 Forasmuch as he knew not his Maker and him that ●NSPIRED unto him an active Soul and BREATHED in a Living Spirit See also VAVASOR POWEL'S Concordance about the Soul viz. The Soul is put for the whole Person Acts 2.41 7.14 it is put for Life Isa. 53.12 it is put for Breath Acts 20.10 marg it is put for a Reasonable Creature Gen. 2.7 it is put for GOD HIMSELF Prov. 6.16 marg Hebr. 10.38 I suppose these men are not ignorant both how this Concordance is approved and the Author of it esteemed by them Sect. I. About the Person of Christ. WHereas T.H. to prove the Quakers deny Jesus Christ to be a distinct Person without us quotes these words viz. Jesus Christ a Person without us is not Scripture Language for it quotes Dip. Pl. p. 13. Whereas the Words there are Jesus Christ God-man a Person without thee as in his Dia. 1. p. 9. is not Scripture-Language c. Mark he hath left out the Words GOD MAN in the Citation and in his two last Dialogues likewise Dial. 2. p. 10. Dial. 3. p. 7. So that it appears these Witnesses have either taken this defective Citation upon trust from T. H. and not from their own Sight and Knowledge or else they have knowingly born Witness to this Abuse owned this defective false Citation for a Blind But how comes his Charge now to be so Low against us as only denying Jesus Christ to be a distinct Person without us and he so hard put to it to prove this when before he charged us in these Words viz You reprobate the Scriptures and the Person of Jesus Christ without you Dial. 1. p. 62. O wonderful Impudence and Falshood The Reason of my Answer in this Case before to T.H. as also my owning the Man Christ Jesus as to his Being without us as well as within us is plainly shewn in my Appendix to Reas. against Rail p. 17. my Words being thus viz. Jesus Christ God-man a PERSON without thee which Phrase I did and do say is not Scripture Language but the Anthropomorphites who profess a Personal God denying him to be an Infinite Spirit doth it therefore follow that I deny the Man Christ Jesus in his being either without or within us But T. H's Words God-man a Person without thee equally excluding God under the Limitation of Man and Person without us he is pleased now to leave out the word God-man to accuse us of denying the Person of Christ without us He should have explained what he means by the Word Person for though we are not satisfied with the Words before being unscriptural this is no denying of Jesus Christ in his being either as without us or within us we confessing that he is ascended into Glory far above all Heavens and that he is at the Father's right Hand of Power in his Glorious Being which yet doth not exclude or limit him from being within us And its false that we deny Christ to be a Man His Exaltation and Glory into which he is ascended not only into the Heavens but far above all Heavens transcends that Degree attained in these suffering earthly Tabernacles his inaccessible Glory is above Men and Angels c. Again T. H. hath very unfairly cited but the Beginning of a Sentence of mine leaving out the latter and chief Part thereof viz. at 'T is a Design of Satan to keep Men in carnal Imaginations and dark Thoughts of a Human Personal Christ And here they break off leaving out the following Words of the same Sentence which are Consisting either of Flesh Blood and Bones LIKE THEIRS or of Flesh and Bones without Blood and so of God's right Hand as limited to that Remoteness That they neglect to wait for Christ's inward and spiritual