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A64913 Truth and innocency defended being a sober reply to some excesses in a treatise written by John Norris, concerning the divine light, wherein his personal reflections and misrepresentations of the Quakers about their principle of the light are further considered. Vickris, Richard, d. 1700. 1693 (1693) Wing V341; ESTC R22212 75,043 73

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and not choaked as R B. says is all true and makes nothing for his purpose But how is this Seed in a Capacity to be produced or exhibited surely not without its powerful operation at some time or other as R. B. says in the former quotation consequently not according to J. N's sence or inference of its being in the Hearts of the wicked in possibility only or as hot Embers covered up under Ashes without affecting denominating or enlightning them and this he concludes the Quakers make to be all the dispensation of the Light to the Wicked seeing he says they confine it as to its act of Illumination to the Regenerate which I hope I have fully answered J. N. says Every body knows that has had the least Conversation either with the Quakers or with their Writings They do confine the Light as to the Act of Illumination only to those that turn their Soul and Mind Inward unto it till then as the Prefacer to Mr. B's Works says Man is darkness I answer this is a great mistake and presumption to say that every body knows what no body can because it is not true in fact What though man be darkness as the Apostle said Ephes. 5.8 Ye were sometime Darkness but now are ye Light in the Lord walk as Children of the Light does not the Light shine in Darkness and the Darkness comprehended it not John 1.5 This perhaps he will grant but is it not also said 2 Cor. 4.6 7. God who commanded Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined in our Hearts to give us the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the face of Iesus Christ But we have this treasure in our earthen Vessels that the Excellency of the Power may be of God and not of us Here we may see that the Divine Light does not always remain as hot Embers covered up under Ashes but shines both in Darkness and out of Darkness to give the Light of the Knowledge c. J. N. argues from the repeated Admonitions and Exhortations of the Quakers viz. That they would turn their Souls inward unto the Light that they would mind heed follow it and wait upon it in quietness and silence all which he says would be extreamly ridiculous and impertinent if either men might be enlightned without converting themselves to the Light or if it were certain and necessary that all men should so convert themselves to it One might wonder th●t a man of his Learning should reason so ignorantly but that God hath hid these things from the Wise and Prudent and revealed them unto Babes as appeared in the instance of Nicodemus a Ruler in Israel how ignorant was he of the new birth I answer it is necessary and men must be first enlightned in some degree in order to turn their Souls inward unto the Light for how should man that is dark and dead to God turn his mind to that which he hath no feeling sence or sight of nor can have but as the Light opens it in him and to him Psal. 36 9. With thee said holy David is the Fountain of Life in thy Light shall we see Light Well then tho' men may be are and must be enlightned in some measure before they can convert themselves to the Light yet it is so far from being extreamly Ridiculous that it is absolutely Necessary they should convert themselves to it and believe in it that they may become the Children of it and witness the encreases of it unto the Salvation of their Souls The Path of the Iust is as a shining Light that shineth more and more unto the perfect Day Prov. 4.18 Though much more might be said yet I think this Answer is sufficient to make void his Inference and shew that the Quakers do not confine the Light within as to any act of its Illumination to those that convert or introvert themselves to it But J. N. apprehending he had not done enough as though it were not sufficient to have misapplyed and perverted the Quakers Doctrine with their wholsom and Christian Admonitions and Exhortations to fault their Principle of the Divine Light He sets himself to abuse and traduce them about the Character of their Profession It is well known says he they look upon themselves to be the only Professors and embracers of the Truth of God the only followers of the Light and the onely Converters of themselves to it which it seems is so much the proper Characteristick of a Quaker that when any one is proselited to their Way 't is ordinary for them to say such a one is turned to the Light whence he says he thinks he had very good reason to say that they confined the Light to their own party To which I say if Lying Stories and False Insinuations be good Reason he has it and not otherwise For it is an extravagant Charge and spightful reflection at Rovers and doubtless if not invented is taken upon trust so far as it may affect any perticulars under the Profession of Quakers and either way as generally applyed is an abuse for as it is general it is most certainly false and Injurious and bespeaks him to be at a loss and driven to a pinch to use his Wits or as we use to say when men are sinking to catch at any thing but is he so weak as to think this will make for his purpose It induces me with some others to believe that his companions Reproaches hath made him ashamed of what he first said in favour of the Quakers Principle which joyned with the fear of loss of preferment might not only extort this pittiful shuffle he has made but spur him on thus Injuriously to treat the Quakers He must find better arguments produce better proofs to convince sober and Religious men that the Quakers confine the Divine Light to their own party as to the Regenerate however he thinks his News may prevail upon the credulity of his Learned world I take notice he says He do●s not find nor does not see how the Quakers can upon their Principle extend the Divine Light as to the Act of Illuminati●n as a common benefit to all men without exception If he be as blind as Nicodemas who can help it but I think he is worse for instead of being willing to see aright he labours to see wrong and so is the more blind and if the blind lead the blind they both fall into the Ditch and this is manifest from the Reason he hath given why he does not see as above viz. because as he says the Quakers make it viz. the Divine Light the Grace of Christ whereas for that it is so and for the same Reason the Quakers make it both necessary and universal according to the holy Scriptures Rom. 5.15.18 Tit. 2.11 The Grace of God which bringeth Salvation hath appeared into all men c. But has J. N. forgotten that he makes his Light to be Grace