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A10909 An answere vnto a wicked & infamous libel made by Christopher Vitel, one of the chiefe English elders of the pretended Family of Loue maintaining their doctrine, & carpingly answeringe to certaine pointes of a boke called the displaing of the Fam. Aunswered by I. Rogers. Rogers, John, fl. 1560-1580.; Vitell, Christopher, fl. 1555-1579. 1579 (1579) STC 21180; ESTC S116065 74,007 215

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them patience we beseech thee that they may abide whatsoeuer thy Maiestie hath determined so that euen in tormentes they may witnes thy holy name Graunt vs O Lord our God these our petitions or so many as are expedient for vs thy children for thy deere Sonne our Sauiour Iesus Christ his sake To whom with thee ▪ the holy Ghost be al honor praise glory dominion power for euer and euer Amen A short reply after the order of a proface By the meanes of certayne slaunderous wordes as followeth from C. V. THERE IS NOTHING more necessarye for the reedisying of God his Gospell in a common wealth then fo● euery such vnto whome the Pastorall office is committed With all expedition to beate downe by the aucthoritye of the same word all vpstart heresies And opinions by the which the true Church and congregation Is disqui●t●d ▪ of l●te the●efore as one poore member of the same in a preface To the tituled worke agaynst those which are called the Familye of Loue liking t●ē to a Cormorant Fowle was for that I espied By the manner of writinges and imaginatiue pr●ctise Somewhat slyly couered ouer as the Snake vnder the greene hearbe from their HN. an Onacratolu● c●ept in this our natiue Countrye of Englād through simplicitye But rather I feare me hipoc●isie to the bosome● of many supposed wise men the more by the meanes of a second Mergus C. V. Whome heretofore by vttered vow at Paules Crosse ●ecanted as I thinke the same error which he now stiffely defendeth Neuerthelesse sithens which tyme Hath in co●ners drawen companyes togethers of the which s●me haue ref●ained ▪ and others yet t●o many abidi●● I th●refore somewhat to further the goodwil of the Author agaynst that Familye their error and not their p●●sons and for the hopes sake which is layd vp in store through Iesus Christ our ●ord and Saui●ur did by preface ▪ forewarne the vewers of the sayd b●oke to be heedefull of such so pestilēt a sect who vnder the title of sundry sentēces of holy scriptu●● H●ue as in a ma●● knit fast through the webbe of the Spider Many ●ely ●lyes whose vnstable mindes more wauering thē such slender wings haue ben are and will be except the grace of God make them more heedefull so fast tangled that it will be scarce possible to pluck them out I doe once agayne euen as one greatly compelled make aunswere agaynst that which herein followeth by those w●ome I hoped their conuersion and not detection whose wordes haue sayd me to be Diueled with the Deuill I doe consider these wordes to b● sayd to me by the lyke intention as to my L. and maister Christ that he had Bel●ebub the chiefe Deuill yet w●●●e ●●ue And the reprouers false Their wordes This blasphamous Batman with his slaundering and ly●ng blasphemeth the holy Ghost for he nameth the Familye of Loue a Corniorant Fowle And an sereticall sect whereas notwithstanding there is 〈◊〉 Catholick Church nor comminas●ye of Saintes but the Familye of Loue And herein he condemneth the holy Scriptures the Lawe and the Prophets as also Christ and his Apostles Moreouer he sayth that the Lord his elected Minister HN. is of the seede of certayne sectaries ● Whereas his doctrine is altogether agaynst all Sectaries If it be blasphemy to reproue an error then haue I not done well if it be lying to detect a falshode I will reaunswere if slaundering them that slaunder other in one is the fault to this first God his worde doth teach me to defend his Church the Queenes Maiesties lawes her common wealth whereto my conscience aunswereth by the trueth that if you take not better heede you will fall from heresie to treason and so into contempt of your religion Of your loyaltye And true seruice of God of the which take heede for the holy Ghost is iudge betwixt vs both I doe name the Familye of Loue the selfe same as before till I doe perceaue you to be otherwise minded except you vse this policye That when your Religion will hold no longer you will then say we vnderstode not your mindes and so therereby ex●use your follyes You say there is no Catholick Church nor comminaltye of Saintes but the Familye of Loue surely your loue is so secret if we vnderstand it not you much lesse perceaue it but in secluding all that be not of your Family What shall be sayd of all the godly in the world before your HN. whome now to culler doe call the holy name What say you of our gratious Queene Her noble Counsaile the lea●ned Byshop● And dis●●et preachers of the Lordes Gospell What thinke you of the excellent ou●ces both Oxford ▪ Cambridge from the which they are not now to learne of their true loue in god Of your HN. Neither of C. V. Who cunningly hath ioyned together that which we know Christ to be the ou●●commer and C. Vitell the Ioyner to be b●t a deceiuer Your Argument must haue an Inter●ection when you say He condemneth the holy Scriptures the lawe and the Prophetes all which three ●●●uerence loue and ob●y ▪ by the Lord God his assistance you ad as also Christ and his Apostles is it enough to condemne any before the cause why ▪ your Vocatiue must haue a Datiue to your selfe be all these except you 〈◊〉 the greater hee●e I 〈◊〉 also vettrly deny your HN. H●rry Ni●holas to be the Lordes elected Minister ▪ otherwi●e then su●fer●d to peruert the congregation And also I say to you Chris●opher Vitell 〈◊〉 you 〈…〉 and while there is yet tym● 〈…〉 to God whome in this ●t●r you h●ue greatly offended your Prince much a●used ▪ an● many your fellow disorderly 〈…〉 by your vngodly collections thorow which 〈…〉 you haue continued too long as to your ease you may thinke So to their payne it may be assured If now your doctrine be agaynst all Sectaryes Then be as good as your word and ●ly these errors ▪ els as weedes are cut of with sickle and sithe for hi●ting the good herbes so must euill membber from a common wealth Fare well Fidem fero mihi fama fuco An Aunswere to a wicked and infamous Libel made by one of the chiefe english Elders of the pretended Familie of Loue. Vitell. Testimonies of Sion of the ●●st stone of fou●datio● layd therein of ●he iudgement and righteousnes and of the holy priesthood and spirituall oblation through Iesus Christ● brought fourth through the Lordes ●l●c●●d minister HN. loue Trueth BLessed is he which watcheth for the day of the Lorde which shal come as a theefe in the night Math. 24.1 Thessa ▪ 5. Peter 3. For the tyme shall come that the watchmen vpon mount Ephraim shal crye come let vs goe vp vnto Sion to the Lord our god Iere. 31. Mich. 4. Zach. 8. Answere TO what purpose these places of holy scripture are collected I am ignoraunt of because they want dew explication we know that from Sion came the law of