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A69095 The third part of the Defence of the Reformed Catholike against Doct. Bishops Second part of the Reformation of a Catholike, as the same was first guilefully published vnder that name, conteining only a large and most malicious preface to the reader, and an answer to M. Perkins his aduertisement to Romane Catholicks, &c. Whereunto is added an aduertisement for the time concerning the said Doct. Bishops reproofe, lately published against a little piece of the answer to his epistle to the King, with an answer to some few exceptions taken against the same, by M. T. Higgons latley become a proselyte of the Church of Rome. By R. Abbot Doctor of Diuinitie.; Defence of the Reformed Catholicke of M. W. Perkins. Part 3 Abbot, Robert, 1560-1618. 1609 (1609) STC 50.5; ESTC S100538 452,861 494

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we pray that we be not ouercome by the diuell by yeelding our consent to the temptation and so fall into sinne it is true indeed that so we pray but yet because wee know that God doth not so free his elect from temptation but that they are sometimes ouercome and doe consent to the temptation and fall into sinne wee vnderstand further that if God see it expedient thus to let vs fall by temptation yet he will not leaue vs to bee holden captiues therein nor suffer vs so to be tempted but that he be alwaies with vs to deliuer vs from euill that d Psal 37.24 though wee fall yet wee may rise againe whilest he supporteth vs with his hand For whereas M. Bishop saith that M. Perkins much forgetteth himselfe in saying that it is good otherwhiles to be tempted it is he indeed that much forgetteth himselfe in so blameing M. Perkins who intendeth not that temptation is good of it selfe but onely accidentally in respect of the good vse which God maketh thereof turning the poison of one sinne to be a preseruatiue against another and by falling once making a man the more warie not to fall againe And thus S. Austin by the words of the Apostle saith that e Rom. 8.28 all things to Gods elect worke together for good f Aug. de corrept grat ca. 9. Talibus diligentibus deum omnia cooperātur in bonū vsqueadeo prorsus omnia vt si qui corum deuiant exorbitant etiam hoc ipsum eis faciat proficere in bonum euen so altogether all things as that if any of them swarue and goe aside out of the w●y hee maketh that also to further their good g Bernar. de diuers ser 1. An verò ei peccata ipsa non cooperantur in bonū qui ex eis humilior feruentior solicitior timoratior cauti or inuenitur For doe not sinnes worke for good to him saith S. Bernard who is found thereby more humble more feruent more carefull more fearefull and warie than before And thus Gregorie verie truely saith that h Greg. Moral l. 2. c. 25. Fit mira dispensatione pietatis vt vnde malignus hostis cor tentat vt interimat inde misericors conditor hoc erudiat vt viuat by the woonderfull dispensation of pietie it commeth to passe that by what the wicked enemy tempteth the heart to destroy it by the same our mercifull creatour nurtureth it to life But the concupiscences and lusts of sinne doe specially serue for this end which God hath left as an enemie within our owne berders to fight against vs for the exercising of our faith and hope that seeing our owne weakenesse and danger in our selues we may the more earnestly call vpon God and depend vpon his power that being vexed and afflicted with the temptations of sinne wee may hunger and thirst after righteousnesse so much the more that being wearied with warre we may the more long after the place of our peace and obteining through his grace the conquest and victorie we may through his mercy obteine the promise of the crowne of glory Thus God i 2. Cor. 4.6 commandeth the light to shine out of darknesse and out of euill worketh good vnto those that are his which M. Bishop also I doubt not would acknowledge but that a malicious spirit of wilfull contradiction carieth him headlong to resist apparent and knowen truth 42. W. BISHOP Finally he saith this clause Amen signifieth a speciall faith concerning all the former petitions that they shall be granted and therefore a speciall faith concerning remission of sinnes Answ It signifieth a speciall hope and confidence to obtaine them but no certaintie of faith vnlesse vpon a condition which is vncertaine that is if wee doe our parts God will not faile of his if wee doe heartily repent vs and vse the Sacrament of Penance duly wee shall assuredly obtaine remission of our sinnes R. ABBOT The Romane Catechisme in this point confirmeth that which M. Amen what it importeth in the Lords praier Perkins saith and maketh good our speciall faith expounding Amen to bee added by our Sauiour Christ a Catec Roman p. 4. cap. 17. sect 4. Cui voci illa quodammodo subiecta sententia est scito tuas auditas esse preces Habet enim vim respondentis illum qui precibus quod velit impetrarit cum bona gratia dimittentis dei Et sect 6 Intelligentes nos iam impetrasse omnia ac sentientes praesentem vim diuini auxilij illud vnà cum propheta canimus Ecc● dominus adiuuat me c. as Gods answer to this effect Know that thy praiers are heard and that we are to vnderstand it as that wee haue obtained all our desires and feeling the present power of the helpe of God doe sing with the Prophet Behold God is my helper the Lord is the protector of my soule If I be to conceiue Amen to be Gods answer that hee hath heard the praier that I haue faithfully made vnto him then am I to beleeue that God hath forgiuen me my sinnes because that is one part of the praier which I haue made Whatsoeuer poison there is in the Romane Catechisme that M. Bishop sucketh very greedily but this acknowledgement of truth though perhaps vnwarily deliuered he can by no meanes admit As for his vncertaine condition I haue before shewed that it is the ouerthrow of Christian faith and hope which wholly withdraweth our eies from looking vpon our selues and our owne merits that we may rest wholly and only vpon the mercy and goodnesse of almighty God It may well stand with that doubting and feare which elsewhere he requireth but confidence and hope can in no sort grow vpon it 43. W. BISHOP Hitherto M. Perkins hath argued against vs out of the Lords praier now I will briefly shew how the Protestants doctrine contrarieth it I haue in my answer to his obiections touched some points already I adde that one position of their doctrine crosseth three of the first petitions I prooue it thus In euery petion we must be assured as M. Perkins holdeth or at the least haue a good hope to obtaine that wee pray for or else it booteth vs not to pray but according to the Protestants doctrine no man can be assured nay can haue any hope to obtaine the three first petitions for if originall sin do continually dwell in vs and infect all our actions with deadly sinne as they teach Gods name cannot be sanctified in vs that are infected with such an vnclean leprosie neither secondly can God raigne as a King in vs if sinne possesse and command all our members and thirdly Gods will cannot bee done by vs on earth as it is done in heauen if wee cannot keepe his lawes and commandements which they in heauen doe wherefore the Protestants haue no assurance to obtaine the three first petitions who are by their teachers assured that they are not to bee