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A34470	A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was	Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659.	1656 (1656)	Wing C6094; ESTC R215454	85,329	113

Christ did offer for his owne sins is a blasphemer Coppin Is that all you can say if it be you were best goe back to Schoole againe where you learn'd this and learne some more Rosewell I have enough and that you shall see if I had but your book here Coppin Why did you not bring it with you seeing you can say nothing without book I said you wanted help and so 't is true CHAP. VII Of Christ the Resurrection from the first Adam to the second proved with the manner how and the time when what body it shall arise and from what death also how it was signified by what and when ROsewell He that from Scripture doth labour to perswade men that there is no Resurrection of the body to be exspected and that no body shall be raised at the last day he is a perverter of Scripture and a venter of damnable errors but you are one ergo Coppin I denie your minor therefore prove it Rosewell I prove it thus 1 Cor. 15. That as Jesus Christ was raised from the dead so all they which have been are and shall be shall be raised up at the last day which you denie Coppin I doe grant the Resurrection of the body and doe not denie it though you say I doe Rosewell You did denie that the words in Job did signifie any Resurrection of the bodie and also that in 1 Cor. 15. which I can prove Coppin Is that Resurrection a mysterie or no mysterie Rosewell Yes a great mysterie and such a one as I do believe you do not know Coppin If you do know pray declare it Rosewell I am not minded to declare it to you at this time Coppin Then I will tell you what it is Friends and Brethren I do own a Resurrection according to the Scriptures and such a Resurrection as you all must partake of before ye can see the Kingdome of God 1 Cor. 15. There is a Resurrection spoken of by the Apostle which is the Resurrection of Christ and of our rising in and with him from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam but there were some then as well as now that did think the Apostle had meant carnallie the rising again of the same bodie of flesh and bones and therefore did ask the question with what bodies they shall arise not knowing what the Dead was nor the life it should be raised to and how God giveth it a bodie as pleaseth him Now to prove this Resurrection Christ saith I am he which was alive and was dead and am alive again and lives for evermore Rosewell Do you hear he saith Christ was alive and dead Coppin There is nothing can be said to die but first it must be alive nor made to live but it must first die Now Christ is he which was alive was dead and is alive again the first that was living and the last that lives In John 11. 21. Martha comes to Christ and saith Lord if thou had'st been here my Brother had not died Christ said Thy Brother shall rise againe I know said Martha he shall rise at the Resurrection on the last day Jesus said unto her I am the Resurrection and the Life he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live and he that lives and believes in me shall never die Believest thou this Now she had Faith to believe that he was Christ the Son of God but could not believe the truth of her Brothers Resurrection in Christ therefore did-Christ blame her saying Had'st thou but believed thou should'st have seen the glory of God John 11. 40. Now if Christ be the Resurrection and the Life then there is nothing in this Resurrection but what is himself for he is the dead raised the raiser of this dead and the life raised too as he saith I am the Resurrection and the Life Now take notice that I do not denie any thing of Christ all this while but do advance him and also our Resurrection in him as the Scripture saith We are raised up together with him to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus and this is the mysterie of the Resurrection which you say is a great mysterie Now saith the Apostle to those carnal enquirers that knew not this mysterie of the Resurrection but asked with what bodies they should arise Thou fool saith the Apostle that which thou sowest is not quickned except it die and thou sowest not that body that shall be but bare grain it may chance of wheat or some other grain so it is not saith be the same body which thou sowest that is raised but God giveth it a body as pleaseth him And why then say you that the same bodie shall be raised again Now Paul to prove this spiritual Resurrection tells us that there is one glorie of the Sun another glorie of the Moon and another of the Stars and one Star differs from another Star in glorie so also is the Resurrection of the dead it is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption 't is sown in dishonor it is raised in glorie it is sown in weaknesse it is raised in power and all in us that I may know him saith Paul and the power of his Resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings being made conformable to his death if by any means I might attain unto the Resurrection of the dead for which I presse forwards saith Paul So that this Resurrection is to be within you and you are to know it while you live in this bodie for it is your rising from faith to faith from glorie to glorie as from one administration of God to another Behold saith Paul I shew you a mysterie we shall not all sleep but we shall be changed that is changed from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam and so he tells us It was sown in Adam it was raised in Christ it was sown a natural body and it is raised a spiritual body even as you see your change for the first man Adam is of the earth earthy a living soul the second is the Lord from heaven a quickening spirit and as is the earthly so are they that are earthly and as is the heavenly so are they that are heavenly wherefore examine your selves and you will now find it so for you are all of you either in the state of the first Adam or in the state of the second Adam and your change is from the first to the second that as you have born the image of the earthly so you shall bear the image of the heavenlie for there is a bodie natural and a bodie spiritual all which are proper to us in this life And thus Paul tells us of the Resurrection in a mysterie Now take notice that I do not denie any Resurrection in all this which by any man may be proved but I do declare to you the mysterie of this spiritual Resurrection

were to see him no more till they saw him in them So also his coming should be to them suddainly in the Spirit as of a rushing mighty wind and so it was Acts 2. 1. Therefore this Ascention of Christ is not to be understood carnallie but spirituallie even as his descending was at first for he that ascended is the same he that first descended and we read not of a bodie of flesh and bones that descended but the Holy Ghost came down upon the Virgin Mary and the power of the most High overshadowed her and this coming onlie his Disciples were to look for on them as Christ told them Acts 1. 4. but wait for the promise of the Father which saith Christ you have heard concerning me and which you shall receive when the Holie Ghost is come upon you and which they also did receive as in Acts 2. and therefore to look for such a fleshlie Christ as you declare you may look long enough before you see him French But he was caught up above overhead and shall so come again in the very same fleshlie bodie Coppin This word overhead there is none written and this word above you know not for Christ may be said to be above and yet in man for the word above signifies heaven or heavenlie things which the Scripture saith is in man For if you be risen with Christ seek the things that are above which is beyond the reach of a carnal capacitie being spiritual things as love joy peace gentlenesse goodness meekness faith c. and so carries that name of things above as the same with God being things of a purer nature then the things that are below as division wrath envie malice and evil speaking which are the fruits of the flesh and are said to be earthlie sensual and devillish and so goes under that term below or inferiour as one with the devil and not to be esteemed of as the fruits of the Spirit which are alwayes in God and so above all as God is above the Devil and Light above Darknesse and this is that heaven above into which Christ is ascended far above all heavens and into which we all shall be carried by him to be for ever with him in the Fathers glory And now pray tell me where is your heaven which you call above that you say Christ is in in a body of flesh French It is the third Heaven above the Stars Coppin How do you prove it when the Scripture saith That the heaven of heavens cannot contain him French I prove it from Paul for he was caught up into the third heaven where he saw Christ as before and knew him and saw things unspeakable and full of glory with him Coppin But Paul was all this while living on the earth and said Christ was no more to be seen in the flesh after he ascended and he being caught up into the third heaven was his being carried up out of himselfe into high Revelations of glorious manifestations of God in him which is Christ in us the hope of glory French But he saw Christ there personally in a body flesh and bones the same which he had before his death at Gods right hand now in glory Coppin If Christ be at Gods right hand in a body of flesh and bones after that manner as you say he is then this is to make God to be a body of flesh and bones also and such a one as your selfe that must be confined to a locall place when the Scripture saith he is unconfined to any time place or person but fills Heaven and earth with his fulness therefore when you speak of God and Christ you should declare what they are and what his right hand is but because you know not I will tell you God and Christ is one and the same in Spirit and glory and Christ being in Heaven at Gods right hand is his being in God far above all Heavens or created things injoying the same fulness of God as one whom God cannot be without he being that eternal wisdome and power by which he doth all things and by whom all things consist therefore if any blasphemy hath been spoke 't is you that hath spoke it and not I. Captain Harrison Sirrah you brazenface Rabshackel what doe you get up here to declare your blasphemy come downe or I 'le pull you downe Coppin I thought you had come in love and not in malice but now I see your end is to catch what you can to accuse me and because you cannot have your end you are angry Captain Harrison We came here on purpose to heare you and now we have heard blasphemy enough from your owne mouth and that you shall know e're long and so the dispute ended but Mr. Coppin desired the people to come againe an houre after for he was to Preach DISPUTE III. Between Walter Rosewell and Richard Coppin in the Cathedral of Rochester on the eleventh of December ROsewell I shall not feare this man though he were never so well armed with gifts to maintaine his damnable errours Coppin I acknowledge my selfe as I am a man to be as the weakest and worst of men nay a poor worme yet strength may be manifest in weaknesse and wisdome in foolishnesse For God hath chosen the poor weak despised and base things of the world to confound the wise and things that are not to confound the things that are And friends and Brethren I came here as a stranger into those parts yet through the desires of many of you here present therefore I am my selfe unacquainted how the actings of men have been according to the present times but I am inform'd that some of the chiefest of the Promoters of these Disputes have been and are enemies to the present Power I shall therefore desire that the Publike Peace according to the present Government may be kept and preserved Rosewell I know you speak something of this to me as well as others though you might have spared it but I confesse you have made a fair speech as a prepara●●e unto your businesse but let that passe I shall begin CHAP. VI That the whole nature of man was sinful how Christ took our sins with our nature and offer'd it up with himself without sin to the Father that he still lives in it in us and how ROsewell In the Name of the Lord Jesus whom you have blasphemed I shall charge you and let none be affended that I do begin where I did begin the last day Coppin Let us not be alwaies on one thing but if you have any thing else to say proceed to that for Mr. French did speak also the same things which you had spoke before but the other day Rosewell You said I had no more the other day but you shall find I have enough now what my Brother French spake the other day I had no knowledg of but I think it was

which I know and which you say is a mysterie Secondly consider the death you are to be raised from and that is the death that all men died in the state of the first Adam and do still die by reason of sin from which death all shall be raised to life in Christ the second Adam Now the wages of sin is death and that death which sin doth bring on man is the same death that Christ doth raise him from For you who were dead in sins and trespasses hath he quickned and if ye be risen with Christ seek the things which are above where Christ siteth at the right hand of God which is spoken in the Presentence and not in the Future and cannot be meant of the rising of our corporal bodies after laid in the grave which I question whether those that talk so much of that do yet know this spiritual Resurrection which I hereby declare to you all and if any one can tell us of another Resurrection of the same body of flesh blood and bones again as it was let him declare that as I have declared this for I denie nothing which by any other can be proved but the Scripture saith That flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption therefore blessed and happy are all they which have their part in this first Resurrection for of such the second death hath no power but they live and raign with Christ Thirdly As there is a bodie to be raised so there is also a bodie to be destroyed and that is the bodie of sin and death which is to die and no more to live For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousnesse that is of Christ And in Rom 6. there is a Resurrection from sin to newnesse of life spoken of by the Apostle that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so should we walk before him in newnesse of life for if we have been planted together in the likenesse of his death we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the bodie of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin Rosewell 2 Tim. 2. 18. But there were false Prophets among them as there are false Teachers among you which say the Resurrection is past already and so bring in damnable errors to overthrow the saith and we see there were some in the Apostles daies which did deny a corporal Resurrection Coppin Do you instance that Scripture as to a corporal Resurrection which speaks nothing of it you do add to that Scripture the word corporal and you know the punishment of him that addeth thereto or diminisheth therefrom Again I do not say the Resurrection is past already for it is not yet come to you nor many more therefore your Scripture is to no purpose against me for I say it is to come as well as alreadie come and that it shall continue until the Day of Judgment be ended or till all that shall be are raised and set free in this spiritual Resurrection from death hell or the grave in which they lie imprisoned and buried by reason of sin but the Sadduces who denie the Resurrection hold there is neither Angel nor Spirit and that do not I. Rosewell I shall prove the Resurrection of the body from Job 19. Where Job saith He shall see God with those eyes at the last day 1 Cor. 15. Paul saith If the dead rise not then is our preaching vain and your faith is vain and you are yet in your sins And Job saith Though wormes destroy his bodie yet in this flesh in this bodie shall I see God which doth clearlie prove a corporal Resurrection but I shall give him rope till night Coppin Add not to the Scripture for there is no such bodily Resurrection spoken of as you declare 1 Cor. 15. 12. so on pray see friends Paul doth not speak of a corporal Resurrection but tells them of the Resurrection of the Dead and saith That if Christ be not risen then all our Preaching and Believing is in vain and we are yet in our sins Clearlie intimating that the Resurrection of Christ doth assure them of their being raised from sin to walk with God in newnesse of life For saith he you are sown a natural body but you are raised a spiritual body and a spirituall bodie is not flesh and bones therefore not the same bodie as you say it is and would have it to be Rosewell There shall be eyes hands and feet Coppin That there shall be eyes hands and feet you are yet to prove Rosewell Job saith He shall see God with those eyes and that in this his flesh he shall see God Againe the Scripture saith That they which are alive and them which are dead shall be raised and all of them shall meet the Lord only this corruptible must put on incorruptible and this mortall must put on immortalitie Again the bodies of Believers are the Temples of the Holy Ghost 1 Cor. 6. and the Temples of Jesus Christ therefore the same bodies shall be raised at the last day Coppin You also bring Job to prove a Corporal Resurrection of flesh blood and bones and that this Resurrection and seeing God with those eyes was not to be till after the death of his visible bodie as you say but I say here is a mysterie and a spiritual sense to be understood in these words Job 19. where he saith I know my Redeemer liveth and that at the last day I shall s●e him stand upon the earth and though after my skin worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God whom I shall see for my selfe and mine eyes shall behold and not anothers though my reins be consumed within me But to understand this you must know how he is the Redeemer and when also what is meant by the last day and the earth which he shall stand upon and what eyes shall behold him c. Now his Redeemer was the Lord and did then live in Job though he knew it not that he should see him at the last day is a truth but what this last day was and the manner how he should see him that he knew not till the time came that he saw him in himselfe therefore you shall find that Job was then in darkness and under much affliction uttering words without knowledg for which he was reproved first by the Prophet Elihu secondlie by the Lord thirdlie he confest it first the Prophet reproved him Job 33. Chap. 35. 16. Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vaine he multiplieth words without knowledg Job 38. 1. 2. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsell by words without knowledg gird up now thy loynes like a

man for I will demand of thee and answer thou me And so he goes on to reprove Job of his ignorance of God and in Chap. 40. 3. Job answers the Lord and saith bebold I am vile what shall I answer thee I will lay my hand upon my mouth once have I spoken but I will not answer yea twice but I will proceed no further and in Chap. 42. 3. he acknowledges his error and ignorance of God and answers the Lord saying who is he that hideth counsell without knowledge therefore have I uttered that I understand not things too wonderfull for me which I knew not but now hear I beseech thee and I will speak I have often heard of thee by the hearing of the care but now mine eyes seeth thee wherefore I abhor my selfe in dust and ashes Thus did Job in his life time see the King the Lord of Hosts his Redeemer standing upon and was a conqueror of that earth the first Adam which he first lived in the Image of till the second Adam appeared as at the last day of the first Adam in him which he before said should come and wa● now come to him For now doe mine eyes see thee Rosewell Pray read a little further and ye shall find that God saith his freinds had not spoken right of him as his servant Job had done and again this cannot be meant of his seeing his Redeemer for now ●is 〈…〉 ynes and reines was not consumed Coppin 'T is true Job never spoke the things that was right of the Lord till he said Now doe mine eyes see thee and this his friends could not say for they had not seen the Lord as his servand Job had therefore though after his skin wormes had destroyed his body yet in his flesh he did see God this skin was the good esteem he had of his own righteousnesse the pride and glory of his own flesh which he was stripped of for boasting in it and so saith Job He hath stripped me of all my glory and taken the Crown from off my head and the body that must be destroyed was the body of sin and corruption which was within him and is in all men for a time while they live in the corrupt state of the old Adam and the wormes are the terrors of the troubled minde which as Troops of Robbers feeds upon the flesh of the earthly man and Job had many in his flesh For my flesh saith he is cloathed with Wormes my skin is broken and become loathsome the arrows of the Almighty sticks fast in me his Archers compasse me round about and he cleaveth my reins in sunder Here was the destruction of Jobs body in his life time all his comforts were taken from him and all those things were fulfilled upon him and appeared in him and yet saith he after all this I shall see my Redeemer and so he did fo● when through the manifestation of God to him his soul within him was revived his knowledge and understanding enlightened and his reins with the girdle of saith strengthened then saith he Now do mine eyes see thee and I am no more my self but a new man in thee for now is my change come therefore cannot be meant of the body after a naturall death as you say it is Robison Of all Religions this is most damnable to say there is no Resurrection of the body Coppin I denie not any thing which any man can prove to be true from Scripture Rosewell I prove a corporall Resurrection of our bodies from the example of Christs Resurrection of his Body Coppin That was a signe to us of our rising with Christ to a newness of life both toward God and man Rosewell I denie the Resurrection of Christs body to be a signe Coppin You say the corporal Resurrection of Christ is no sign and yet you say againe it doth signifie the Resurrection of our bodies but the Scripture saith not so but saith That like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newnesse of life and so will he change our vile bodies here and make them like unto his glorious bodie by subduing all things to himself in us which is the spiritualty and glory of our bodies Captain Smith We grant you that Coppin Then give me leave Christ being born of the Virgin Mary Was it also a signe to us or not Robison Was it but a signe to us and no substance C●ppin I doe not say so but I say it was a signe which I prove Isa. 7. 14. Therefore the Lord himselfe shall give you a signe behold a Virgin shall conceive and bear a Son and shall call his name Emanuel Now what did this signifie but that as the Virgin did bring forth Christ in our nature flesh blood and bones so should Christ bring forth himselfe in every one of us in Spirit and truth Gal. 4. 14. My little Children saith Paul of whom I travell in birth againe untill Christ be formed in you not as a bodie flesh and bones in us for that were to make many Christs as for every man one but he shall be formed in us in Spirit and power Rosewell I doe not believe but Christ is here said to be a signe but what is the thing signified that King Ahaz should overcome his enemies and that the Scepter should not depart from Juda till Shilo come Coppin That is till Christ come Spirituall in us or else what benefit is it to us to look back upon the birth and death of Christ as signes and doe not see the things signified For a wicked and adulterous generati●n seeketh after a signe and never looks on the thing signified which is the birth death and Resurrection of Christ in them which should all be made manifest in our mortall flesh and so saith Paul I doe always beare about in the bodie the dying also of the Lord Jesus that the life of Jesus might be made manifest in our bodie and now doe I rejoyce in my sufferings for you and do fill up the measure of the sufferings of Christ in my flesh for his bodies sake which is the Church whereof I Paul am made a Minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you to fullfill the word of God even the mysterie which hath been hid from all ages and now is made manifest to his Saints to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mysterie which is Christ in you the hope of glory CHAP. VIII The Mystery of the Trinity in relation to man of the state of Reprobation when how long and how ROsewell I desire you may go on How is Christ in you the hope of glory Coppin Tell me what do you mean by Christ and then I will tell you how he is Christ the hope of glorie in man Rosewell I do mean by Christ the Son of God

hell or devill to be judged or condemned in man And that every eare and eye that heares and sees any thing besides Christ shall be made deafe and blind and every mouth that speaks any thing besides Christ the truth shall be stopped that so the Lord himself may be all in all and saith Peter The time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God and if it begin at us what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel of God why all shall come to judgment every man in his order at the time when the Lord shall appear unto them And this is not a visible temporal Judgement on the bodies of men but invisible in the hearts of men which is the Temple unto which God will come and dwell in for the Lord whom you seek will suddainly come to his Temple and there sit as a Refiner and Purisier of silver and will take away his drosse and tyn and try them as gold is tried therefore he saith he will send the Spirit and he shall convince the world of sin of righteousnesse and judgement and when the Lord doth so come to judgement then shall everie mans book be opened and they shall be judged according to the things written in their books which books are the consciences of men bearing witnesse either for them or against them accusing or else excusing one another in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to his Gospel and this is the manner of the Lords proceeding to judgement in the day of the Gospel which to the Lord is but as one day though thousand of years Head a Lawyer said This is damnable Doctrine what need a coming to judgement if all shall be saved you are a Blasphemer and destroyes the Fundamentals of Religion by your impudency Coppin Though all men shall be saved yet not without judgment But Sir I perceive you are a Lawyer it may be hath a fee given you then plead Law for it the Gospel allowes of none but though you may know the Law better then I it may be I may know the Gospel as well as you and you see I have declared a judgement according to the Gospel and have proved it all along if you understand it and if any man can prove any other Judgement day besides this which I have proved let him declare it And I also prove that this Judge the Lord Jesus doth accuse no man but he that is the accuser of the brethren is the devil who shall be cast out and his accusation made void for man while he lives under the law lives under wrath and is accused by the law but when the Lord Jesus comes to any soul as a Judg to fulfill the law he declares himself accused and condemned for that soule and so frees him from the law and quiteth him of the accusation and now Christ accuseth not but Moses and yet saith he You will not come to me that you may have life but though you receive another that comes in his own name father then me that comes in my Fathers name yet doe not think that I will accuse you to the Father no but there is one that doth accuse you even Moses in whom you trust Rosewell John 5. is meant Christ will not accuse them to the Father yet Christ doth accuse them which doth oppose his Gospel and will doe it and will throw them to the nethermost hell at the last day in everlasting torment soul and body and therefore I desire you all as you tender the glory of God and the good of your own souls have a care of such a dangerous blasphemer as this which in such a high nature doth blaspheme the great God of heaven Isa. 26. Thy hand is lifted up and they will not see it but they shall see it and be ashamed for their envie at the people the fire of thy enemies shall devoure their persons at the last day Coppin You may apply this unto your self for your own envie that hath appeared at this and other times but doe you bring this to prove destruction of persons eternally at the last day which is no such thing here meant Rosewell I doe confesse a Spirituall Judgment Day Coppin That have I affirmed all this while for the which you crie out against me to be a blasphemer c. Rosewell But there is another day of judgment which will be at the last day Coppin Pray doe you prove a second day of judgment you have confest the first which I proved to you and I denie not your second if you can prove it to me also prove the destruction of persons as you say Rosewell Faelix did tremble when he did heare of judgment to come Coppin This judgment was to come on him then and is to come on all now on whom it hath not yet appeared for the destruction of sin Rosewell It doth appear there is no such judgment known unto you Jude 15. but the Lord will come visibly as a man from heaven and all his Saints with him to sit upon his Throne and to execute judgment and to convince all that are ungodly Coppin You should declare where this place of Judgment is and when it is and what this Throne is on which he sits Rosewell I will not tell you you shall know it when it doth come and therefore cease to pervert Scripture Coppin I do not at all judg or condemn you for speaking your judgment in what things you know though you do judg me for you can but speak as you have received according to your measure and so do I. Rosewell He doth mainly labour to deny any Judgment to come on any mans person Coppin I tell you again I denie nothing which you can prove to be true it is your work now to prove this Judgment Day you speak of as I have done mine Rosewell There is a Hell of fire and brimstone for ever Coppin You would do well to prove what you mean by it now before this people Rosewell You have here said that Christ was a sinner Coppin You said these words I never said them but said that he was in himself holie harmlesse just and good Rosewell You said the nature he did take was sinful and you have denied the Resurrection of the Body and do affirm that all men shall be saved Coppin It is a sign there is no more in you to declare because you go over with the same things again and again But how are you assured of your own salvation tell me that Rosewell I do believe he hath saved me and that one day he will do it Coppin If he hath done it alreadie then it is no more to do and it is better to believe that you are saved then that you shall be saved CHAP. XIII The practise of Magistrates and Ministers discovered how they one uphold another to serve not the Lord but