Selected quad for the lemma: glory_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
glory_n	affliction_n	light_a	weight_n	7,836	5	9.3268	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A29193	Castigations of Mr. Hobbes his last animadversions in the case concerning liberty and universal necessity wherein all his exceptions about that controversie are fully satisfied.	Bramhall, John, 1594-1663.	1657 (1657)	Wing B4214; ESTC R34272	289,829	584

beli●…e that what is is and what hath been hath been So I hold this for a certain truth that what shall be shall be And therefore the argument holds as strongly against me as against him If I shall recover I need not his unsavoury potion If I shall not recover it will do me no good In all my life I never heard a weaker or sillier Sophisme urged in earnest by a rational man That which is is necessary to be upon supposition that it is That which hath been is necessary to have been upon supposition that it hath been So that which shall be shall be necessarily that is infallibly upon supposition that it shall be And the event cannot be supposed except it be supposed that the free Agent shall determine it self in such manner and except all necessary means be likewise supposed Such a necessity upon supposition is very consistent with true libery but T. H. his necessity is of another nature an antecedent extrinsecal necessitation and determination to one which is altogether inconsistent with election and true liberty According to my opinion we say That which may be may be but that which may be may not be According to his opinion we say That which must be must be but that which must be cannot be otherwise According to my opinion I am free either to walk abroad or to stay within doors whethersoever I do this is true that which shall be shall be But if I walk abroad as I may do then my stay within doors shall not be And on the other side If I stay within doors as I may do likewise then my walking abroad shall not be The event hath yet no determinate certainty in the causes for they are not yet determined The Agent may determine it self otherwise the event may come otherwise to passe even until the last moment before the production And when the event is actually produced and is without its causes it hath a determinate certainty not antecedent not from extrinsecal determination not absolute but meerly hypothetical or upon supposition the not distinguishing aright of which two different kinds of necessity makes the reader and us all this trouble It follows Laws are not superfluous because by the punishment of one or a few unjust men they are the cause of justice in a great many This answer hath been taken away already and shall be surther refelled if it be surther pressed But he willingly declineth the main scope of my argument which reflected more upon the unjustice than upon the superfluity of human laws if his opinion were true Those laws are unjust which punish men for not doing that which was antecedently impossible for them to do and for doing that which was impossible for them to leave undone But upon supposition of T. H. his opinion of the absolute necessity of all events all humane laws do punish men for not doing that which was antecedently impossible for them to do and for doing that which was antecedently impossible for them to leave undone Here we have confitentem reum our adversaries confession within a very few lines It is true that seeing the name of punishment hath relation to the name of crime there can be no punishment but for crimes that might have been left undone This is the first ingenuous confession we have had from T. H. I hope we shall have more From whence it followeth First that there neither is nor can be any crime deserving punishment in the World that is to say no such criminal thing as sin for nothing by his doctrine was ever done that could have been left undone Secondly it followeth hence that no punishment is just because nothing can be left undone that is done And that all men are innocent and there is no such thing as a delinquent in the World How saith he then That the laws are the cause of justice in many by punishing one or a few unjust men Upon his principles the Laws and Judges themselves are unjust to punish any men If this be not a contradiction I have lost my aime And if punishments are not just then neither are ●…ewards just Thus by his doctrine we have lost the two great pillars or preservatives of all well-ordered Societies as Lycurgus called them the two hinges whereupon the Common-wealth is turned Reward and Punishment Yet St. Peter doth teach us That Kings and Governours are sent from God for the punishment of evil-doers and for the praise of them that do well The last inconvenience which he mentions of those that were urged by me is this God in justice cannot punish a man with eternal torments for doing that which never was in his power to leave undone To which admitting as you have heard that there can be no punishment but for crimes that might have been left undone he gives two answers The first is this Instead of punishment if he had said affliction may not I say that God may afflict and not for sin Doth he not afflict those creatures that cannot sin And sometimes those that can ●…n yet not for sin as Job and the blind man in the Gospel This is still worser and worser He told us even now that nothing which is dishonourable ought to be attributed to God And can there be any thing in the World more dishonourable than to say That God doth torment poor innocent creatures in hell fire without any fault of theirs without any relation to sin meerly to shew his dominion over them The Scripture teacheth us clear otherwise That a man complains for the punishment of his sins Sin and punishment are knit together with adamantine bonds He phrases it for the manifestation of his power If it were true it was the greatest manifestation of cruelty and tyranny that is imaginable I confesse that chastisements ioflicted after the sin is forgiven are not properly punishments because they proceed a patre castigant●… non a Iudice vindicante from a father correcting not from a Judge revenging Yet even these chastisements are grounded upon sin The Lord hath put away thy sin thou shalt not die Howbeit because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme the child that is born unto thee shall surely die But what place have such chastisements as Davids were in hell Is any man bettered by his sufferings there What place have probations and trialls of mens graces such as Jobs were in hell where there are no graces to be tried Jobs triall and Davids chastisements and the poor mans blindnesse were the greatest blessings that ever befell them For their light afflictions which were but for a moment did work out unto them a far more excellent and eternall weight of glory But the paines of hell are heavy and endlesse and work out nothing but torment In a word these afflictions we now treat of are downright punishments So the Holy Ghost stiles them everlasting punishment he